Trump says he's considering Snowden pardon

[mystery-ak]

Trump says he's considering Snowden pardon
By Justin Wise - 08/16/20 08:30 AM EDT

President Trump said Saturday he is considering a pardon for Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor who was charged with espionage in 2013 after disclosing a trove of documents about U.S. surveillance programs.

"I’m going to look at it," Trump said during a news conference at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. "I’m not that aware of the Snowden situation, but I’m going to start looking at it."

"It seems to be a split decision. There are many people think that he should be somehow treated differently and other people think he did very bad things," he added.


Snowden fled the U.S. and gained asylum in Russia after releasing a cache of classified documents that exposed the wide scope of surveillance inside the U.S. intelligence community. Federal prosecutors also charged him with theft of government property.

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https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512209-trump-says-hes-considering-snowden-pardon   

[mystery-ak]

Cheney calls pardoning Snowden 'unconscionable' after Trump says he's considering it
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512261-cheney-calls-pardoning-snowden-unconscionable-after-trump-says-hes

[The_Reader_David]

Actually, it would be great revenge on the deep state for the troubles they've caused him.  And anyone who actually believes in the Constitution should back it.  The whole point of Snowdon violating secrecy statutes was that those statutes were being used as cover for wholesale violations of the Fourth Amendment, on which being a good dutiful NSA spook and protesting up the chain of command would have had no effect.

[LegalAmerican]

Snowden is a hero.  He told us what deep state was up to.   He did nothing wrong.   He was a whistle blower and THEY ARE NOT TO BE PUNISHED.  Like obama, did.  Once POTUS...sees what they did to him..SNOWDEN WILL BE PARDONED.  Snowden did not release any "secret" documents. INTEL...has it all. 

[LegalAmerican]

Cheney calls pardoning Snowden 'unconscionable' after Trump says he's considering it
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512261-cheney-calls-pardoning-snowden-unconscionable-after-trump-says-hes

That Cheney is wrong.  That is what she was told by Obama.  Another RINO?  IT WAS HILLARYS 33,000 unsecured e-mails, that informed Russia or China about it all and Feinstein with her 20 year CHINESE DRIVER, who was a spy.  He did no such thing as she claims. 

“Edward Snowden is a traitor. He is responsible for the largest and most damaging release of classified info in US history. He handed over US secrets to Russian and Chinese intelligence putting our troops and our nation at risk,” Cheney, the No. 3 Republican in the House, tweeted on Sunday afternoon, adding; “Pardoning him would be unconscionable.”

[catfish1957]

Snowden is a hero. He told us what deep state was up to.   He did nothing wrong.   He was a whistle blower and THEY ARE NOT TO BE PUNISHED.  Like obama, did.  Once POTUS...sees what they did to him..SNOWDEN WILL BE PARDONED.  Snowden did not release any "secret" documents. INTEL...has it all.

You have proof of this?  Let's hear it!!!!!

Otherwise, the fact is he someone who has stolen American intel who has been granted asyllum status in "RUSSIA". And if that it put our military at risk, or compromised  of troops, then your statmement puts you in as bad a light as he is. 

Calling Snowden a hero at this point?  You better have your asbestos jacket on lady. 

[jafo2010]

I'm not sure I see Snowden any different than Bergdahl.  I do not see how running off to the Russians was in the interests of the USA.  There is a whistleblower process for reporting abuse.  I don't think he attempted to run that path.

Trump's giving Snowden a pardon would encourage others to do as he did.  I am sorry, but I say hell no!!!

[sneakypete]

I have no idea what the HELL is going through his mind on that one.

Lose/lose.

[sneakypete]

You have proof of this?  Let's hear it!!!!!

Otherwise, the fact is he someone who has stolen American intel who has been granted asyllum status in "RUSSIA". And if that it put our military at risk, or compromised  of troops, then your statmement puts you in as bad a light as he is. 

Calling Snowden a hero at this point?  You better have your asbestos jacket on lady.

@LegalAmerican   @catfish1957

No kidding.

Think maybe these people think this because they have never been in the military and had a security clearance? I can't come up with any other explanation.

[The_Reader_David]

Think maybe these people think this because they have never been in the military and had a security clearance? I can't come up with any other explanation.

Or maybe, whether they have been in the military or not, they believe the Constitution is superior to laws governing classified material and that exposing wholesale violations of the Fourth Amendment is more important than abiding by the lesser law of not releasing classified material.

[EdinVA]

The problem is that all we know about this is what the media, both pro and con, are feeding us.
I can see merit in both sides but not comfortable with snowden simply walking, HOWEVER, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has changed.... The NSA is still operating that server farm snagging all the voice and data information to use as they wish, which bothers me also...

[sneakypete]

Or maybe, whether they have been in the military or not, they believe the Constitution is superior to laws governing classified material and that exposing wholesale violations of the Fourth Amendment is more important than abiding by the lesser law of not releasing classified material.

@The_Reader_David

Maybe they believe grass is red and up is down?

WTF cares what they think?

[XenaLee]

Cheney calls pardoning Snowden 'unconscionable' after Trump says he's considering it
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512261-cheney-calls-pardoning-snowden-unconscionable-after-trump-says-hes

He said he would look at it.  Doesn't mean he's going to give a pardon.  But the left so loves to parse words and make it sound like whatever the opposite of the truth is. 

[LegalAmerican]

He said he would look at it.  Doesn't mean he's going to give a pardon.  But the left so loves to parse words and make it sound like whatever the opposite of the truth is.

Agree.  I am going by memory.  SNOWDEN is a hero.  Media and LEFTS...have made him out to be a horrible person.

 JUST LIKE THEY HAVE DONE TO POTUS!   "THEY', HAVE CERTAINLY DONE A NUMBER ON HIM!   

 But the left so loves to parse words and make it sound like whatever the opposite of the truth is. =XENALEE

[catfish1957]

Agree.  I am going by memory.  SNOWDEN is a hero.  Media and LEFTS...have made him out to be a horrible person.

 JUST LIKE THEY HAVE DONE TO POTUS!   "THEY', HAVE CERTAINLY DONE A NUMBER ON HIM!   

 But the left so loves to parse words and make it sound like whatever the opposite of the truth is. =XENALEE

That's twice you have called a traitor a hero who likely gave intellgience to the Russians and Chicoms.  You realize there may have been those in the CIA et. al who lost their lives because it?
AGAIN....   Give us some proof of his innocence, or face our wrath!!!!!

[LegalAmerican]

@LegalAmerican   @catfish1957

No kidding.

Think maybe these people think this because they have never been in the military and had a security clearance? I can't come up with any other explanation.

I didn't read catfish post, but I DO happen to have a Q clearance.  I just remember what happened under Obama and SNOWDEN.  SNOWDEN IS A HERO.  NOT OBAMA, NOR MEDIA.  SNOWDEN EXPOSED OBAMA. You can see the 'issue'.  They have to demonize SNOWDEN.

 HILLARYS', 33,000 E-MAILS, ON AN UNSECURED SERVER IN BATHROOM, WITH NO SECURITY CODE......  If Russia or China has some of our information....IT FROM THAT.  NOT SNOWDEN. 

[catfish1957]

I didn't read catfish post, but I DO happen to have a Q clearance. I just remember what happened under Obama and SNOWDEN.  SNOWDEN IS A HERO.  NOT OBAMA, NOR MEDIA.  SNOWDEN EXPOSED OBAMA. You can see the 'issue'.  They have to demonize SNOWDEN.

 HILLARYS', 33,000 E-MAILS, ON AN UNSECURED SERVER IN BATHROOM, WITH NO SECURITY CODE......  If Russia or China has some of our information....IT FROM THAT.  NOT SNOWDEN.

You have that level of DOE security clearance, and you are making comments like this?  Man, our vetting systems must suck now.

[LegalAmerican]

From months ago;  Same apply's to SNOWDEN.  BOTH sides have spy's, if people think, our information is secure, I laugh. Ha.
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I've never understood what Julian Assange's crime was.

He published some state department emails between embassies that embarassed Hillary Clinton. For that, someone framed him for raping two women in Europe (my guess of course) and wanted him taken out.

But let's remember what Wikileak's "crime" was. They don't spy on anyone. They don't harm anyone with the truth. They ask that people who fear to publish government information send it to them.

I think Wikileaks provide a vital function of protecting against governmental control, worldwide. And yet they're simply a listing house for such leaked information, which any site on the internet could be on an given day.

I agree with xxxxxxx and hope that President Trump issues a pardon for Julian Assange.

We only have to remember what powerful person Assange offended to see the logic in this: HILLARY. 

[The_Reader_David]

@The_Reader_David

Maybe they believe grass is red and up is down?

WTF cares what they think?

Does that, written as a reply to my post, mean that you think the laws governing classified material are more important than the Constitution? 

Hillary skated for violating those laws for personal gain.  Snowden violated them in defense of the Fourth Amendment and the interests of all Americans.  I truly hope Trump pardons him, and while he's at it, he can pardon the guy who got tossed in the stockade for trying to save his unit in Afghanistan by sending an e-mail that had some classified intel in it by Yahoo!Mail because it was all he had access to, who kept being brought up as an example when discussing the double standard being applied to Hillary.

[LegalAmerican]

You have that level of DOE security clearance, and you are making comments like this?  Man, our vetting systems must suck now.

That was years ago for husband working at test site.  We both got cleared.  SNOWDEN IS A HERO.  Of course they have to demonize him.  Assange & Snowden.
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 I don't see why people who give correct information are targeted.  What happened to protection for whistle blower's?  Same with Snowden.  I think BOTH are hero's for the American people.  Let DOJ..BARR..do his thing.

[LegalAmerican]

Does that, written as a reply to my post, mean that you think the laws governing classified material are more important than the Constitution? 

Hillary skated for violating those laws for personal gain.  Snowden violated them in defense of the Fourth Amendment and the interests of all Americans.  I truly hope Trump pardons him, and while he's at it, he can pardon the guy who got tossed in the stockade for trying to save his unit in Afghanistan by sending an e-mail that had some classified intel in it by Yahoo!Mail because it was all he had access to, who kept being brought up as an example when discussing the double standard being applied to Hillary.

 

[LegalAmerican]

The problem is that all we know about this is what the media, both pro and con, are feeding us.
I can see merit in both sides but not comfortable with snowden simply walking, HOWEVER, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has changed.... The NSA is still operating that server farm snagging all the voice and data information to use as they wish, which bothers me also...

Yup!       We are THERE!


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[LegalAmerican]

I'm not sure I see Snowden any different than Bergdahl.  I do not see how running off to the Russians was in the interests of the USA.  There is a whistleblower process for reporting abuse.  I don't think he attempted to run that path.

Trump's giving Snowden a pardon would encourage others to do as he did.  I am sorry, but I say hell no!!!

They are as different as night to day.  RUSSIA helped him save his life.  OBAMA WANTED HIM DEAD for whistle blowing on Obama.  MANY,  DID NOT WANT TO GIVE HIM ASYLUM....RUSSIA FINALLY DID.  I remember.  There is nothing, else to reveal!  We are officially in '1984".   COMMUNISM.  THE NWO.   

[mystery-ak]

Top House Armed Services lawmakers warn against Trump pardoning Snowden
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/512373-top-house-armed-services-lawmakers-warn-against-trump-pardoning-snowden

[LegalAmerican]

Top House Armed Services lawmakers warn against Trump pardoning Snowden
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/512373-top-house-armed-services-lawmakers-warn-against-trump-pardoning-snowden

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