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« Reply #150 on: August 12, 2020, 03:20:51 am »
Are you talking about Kamala or Hillary?

Good observation.  Biden's big thing going into this election was he wasn't as in-the-gut dislikable as Hillary.   I'm glad to see he's taken action to address that problem.   
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« Reply #151 on: August 12, 2020, 03:27:17 am »
I am guessing (hoping) there are still enough in the political center who value this country, and recognize the damage socialism can and will do.  Like or not, these moderates are the ones who will be deciding who the next president is.

That's right, and neither party is targeting 'em.   Guess we'll just have to decide for ourselves whether to favor socialism and systemic collapse or another four years of insanity. 
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« Reply #152 on: August 12, 2020, 04:28:57 am »
That's right, and neither party is targeting 'em.   Guess we'll just have to decide for ourselves whether to favor socialism and systemic collapse or another four years of insanity.
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« Reply #153 on: August 12, 2020, 10:36:49 am »
I hear their slogan is going to be "Pee Pads and Knee pads"
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« Reply #154 on: August 12, 2020, 12:12:15 pm »
Wednesday, August 12, 2020
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And so it’s Kamala. Of course it’s Kamala. She didn’t get those cheeky implants for nothing. Or maybe it was just fillers and Botox.

By all accounts she’s smart, ambitious, shrewd and ruthless – just like Joe, except for the smart part.

It’s unfortunate that with all of her skills and talent she’ll always be best known for practicing her wily babe-like charms on hapless politicians in a position to advance her career. The campaign jokes have already started writing themselves; decorum prevents me from repeating them but don’t let that stop you.   ... Michelle Obama's Mirror


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« Reply #155 on: August 12, 2020, 02:45:59 pm »
This will be a good ad  Kambree  Didn’t Kamala Harris call Joe Biden a racist and say she believed Joe Bidens accusers?  Why yes, why yes she did.  Phony Kamala.
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Kamala did not say that.  I saw that interchange yesterday and Kamala specifically said to Biden she did not think he is a racist.

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« Reply #156 on: August 12, 2020, 02:53:28 pm »
She's pretty much called Biden a molester: FLASHBACK: Kamala Harris Said She Believed Biden’s Sexual Harassment Accusers

As for calling Joe a racist, she said, "I do not believe you are a racist," but then went on to insist he supported segregationists.
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... On the very first Democratic debate stage, Harris insinuated Biden was a racist for opposing forced busing. A policy that is, and always has been, wildly unpopular.

“Vice President Biden, I do not believe you are a racist,” Harris said. “I also believe — and it’s personal and it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country. It was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose busing.”  ...
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« Reply #157 on: August 12, 2020, 03:02:33 pm »
Harris and Gabbard not constitutionally qualified to be president

Not "Natural Born Citizens"

Still as true today as the day it was written.
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« Reply #158 on: August 12, 2020, 03:14:17 pm »
Harris and Gabbard not constitutionally qualified to be president

Not "Natural Born Citizens"

Stil as true today as the day it was written.

That's racist... end of discussion..

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« Reply #159 on: August 12, 2020, 03:20:06 pm »
That's racist... end of discussion..

That is a FACT! Facts are not racist.
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Re: Biden's VP announcement imminent!
« Reply #160 on: August 12, 2020, 03:26:37 pm »
She's pretty much called Biden a molester: FLASHBACK: Kamala Harris Said She Believed Biden’s Sexual Harassment Accusers

As for calling Joe a racist, she said, "I do not believe you are a racist," but then went on to insist he supported segregationists.More from the Federalist

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« Reply #161 on: August 12, 2020, 03:36:31 pm »
That is a FACT! Facts are not racist.
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« Reply #162 on: August 12, 2020, 03:50:10 pm »
@Victoria33  I learnt a long time ago to not watch what they say, but what they do.
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When the info. came out about Biden touching women/little girls, I had already seen that happen over and over.  His favorite place to do that was when a man was accepting an office in public and the woman and/or a little girl with a woman were standing there.  He would touch little girls around their head/hair. 

In the same situation, he liked to be behind the husband's wife.  He would smell their hair and one time he actually touched the woman with his hand behind her and slid it around her waist, heading toward her breast.  This woman put her hand on top of his to stop him before he got to her breast.

Biden's wife should have stopped his doing this to women/little girls.  If he wins and does this, the whole world will see it.  Surely his people have warned him not to do this.

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« Reply #163 on: August 12, 2020, 03:51:51 pm »
@Victoria33  I learnt a long time ago to not watch what they say, but what they do.

You mean, like carry on an open sexual relationship with the married and very powerful speaker of the California State Assembly to gain a patronage position and launch their political career?

Of course anyone who takes notice of Kamala Harris' methodology for gaining political office will be called sexist as well. Rat standards shift like the sands of time.
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« Reply #164 on: August 12, 2020, 03:55:00 pm »
Harris and Gabbard not constitutionally qualified to be president

Not "Natural Born Citizens"

Still as true today as the day it was written.

??? Harris was born in Oakalnd, CA.  She is a natural born citizen.
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« Reply #165 on: August 12, 2020, 03:58:11 pm »
You mean, like carry on an open sexual relationship with the married and very powerful speaker of the California State Assembly to gain a patronage position and launch their political career?

Of course anyone who takes notice of Kamala Harris' methodology for gaining political office will be called sexist as well. Rat standards shift like the sands of time.

So true Skeets   If Kammy were white, those libs would question whether she got there because of what was between her legs, not what was between her ears.
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« Reply #166 on: August 12, 2020, 03:59:00 pm »
??? Harris was born in Oakalnd, CA.  She is a natural born citizen.

NO! She is NOT!  Read the article!
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« Reply #167 on: August 12, 2020, 04:24:10 pm »
NO! She is NOT!  Read the article!

I've read the article and this issue has been heavily debated, especially during the last election, specifically in the case of Cruz and Rubio.  Numerous law professors have weighed in on this issue, but precedents have been set on this issue and I think it would be legally very difficult to refute that Harris is not a natural born citizen.

The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen", and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional and legal scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. As to those born elsewhere who meet the legal requirements for birthright citizenship, the matter is unsettled.

The first nine presidents were all citizens at the adoption of the constitution in 1789, with all being born within the territory assigned to the United States by the Treaty of Paris. All presidents who have served since were born in the United States. Of the 44 individuals who have become president, there have been seven that had at least one parent who was not born on U.S. soil.


Under the 14th Amendment's Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship.

Because of t his case, I think one would be hard pressed to legally fight that Harris is not a natural born citizen.

Personally, IMHO, those born in the U.S. and neither parent is a U.S. citizen, shouldn't be a U.S. citizen...I see them as illegal.  I don't think that's how most legal gurus see them, nor the law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_born_citizen
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« Reply #168 on: August 12, 2020, 04:35:56 pm »
I've read the article and this issue has been heavily debated, especially during the last election, specifically in the case of Cruz and Rubio.  Numerous law professors have weighed in on this issue, but precedents have been set on this issue and I think it would be legally very difficult to refute that Harris is not a natural born citizen.

The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen", and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional and legal scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. As to those born elsewhere who meet the legal requirements for birthright citizenship, the matter is unsettled.

The first nine presidents were all citizens at the adoption of the constitution in 1789, with all being born within the territory assigned to the United States by the Treaty of Paris. All presidents who have served since were born in the United States. Of the 44 individuals who have become president, there have been seven that had at least one parent who was not born on U.S. soil.


Under the 14th Amendment's Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship.

Because of t his case, I think one would be hard pressed to legally fight that Harris is not a natural born citizen.

Personally, IMHO, those born in the U.S. and neither parent is a U.S. citizen, shouldn't be a U.S. citizen...I see them as illegal.  I don't think that's how most legal gurus see them, nor the law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_born_citizen

BZZZZ!!! Wrong!!!

Jus sanguine (right of blood) has been the accepted definition for “natural citizen” and that is a child borne of two citizen parents. Jus soli (right of soil) is citizenship deriving from being born in the US.

Nowhere in Wong Kim Ark is the term “natural-born citizen” to be found.

Natural-born citizenship is citizenship by blood (Jus Sanguine) that passes from citizen parents parents to their children.

Here's the SCOTUS on natural born citizenship:
Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162, 167 (1875).

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"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also."

In fact, SCOTUS has never applied the term "natural born citizen" to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

(A)ll children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

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Re: Biden's VP announcement imminent!
« Reply #169 on: August 12, 2020, 04:40:10 pm »
So true Skeets   If Kammy were white, those libs would question whether she got there because of what was between her legs, not what was between her ears.

Imagine if Kammy were Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann. The rat media would be giddier'n schoolgirls.

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« Reply #170 on: August 12, 2020, 04:54:21 pm »
BZZZZ!!! Wrong!!!

Jus sanguine (right of blood) has been the accepted definition for “natural citizen” and that is a child borne of two citizen parents. Jus soli (right of soil) is citizenship deriving from being born in the US.

Nowhere in Wong Kim Ark is the term “natural-born citizen” to be found.

Natural-born citizenship is citizenship by blood (Jus Sanguine) that passes from citizen parents parents to their children.

Here's the SCOTUS on natural born citizenship:
Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162, 167 (1875).

In fact, SCOTUS has never applied the term "natural born citizen" to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

(A)ll children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

@Bigun I'm not going to beat this to death; the case that I cited and bolded specifically mentions natural born citizen. 

My point is simply this issue has been debated to death by many legal gurus and precedents have been set over the years and I think it would be difficult to win a legal challenge over Harris not being a natural born citizen. Sadly, I would also venture to say that because she is black and a DEM there will be no challenge, nor would the SCOTUS even consider ruling and certainly Roberts would rule in her favor even if they were to hear the case.

Again, I don't believe those born in this country whose parents are not here legally should be citizen of the U.S., but I don't make law and am certainly not a lawyer or what one would consider a constitutional expert.
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« Reply #171 on: August 12, 2020, 05:04:56 pm »
@Bigun I'm not going to beat this to death; the case that I cited and bolded specifically mentions natural born citizen. 

My point is simply this issue has been debated to death by many legal gurus and precedents have been set over the years and I think it would be difficult to win a legal challenge over Harris not being a natural born citizen. Sadly, I would also venture to say that because she is black and a DEM there will be no challenge, nor would the SCOTUS even consider ruling and certainly Roberts would rule in her favor even if they were to hear the case.

Again, I don't believe those born in this country whose parents are not here legally should be citizen of the U.S., but I don't make law and am certainly not a lawyer or what one would consider a constitutional expert.

It is perfectly clear to me what the intent of the 14th amendment was.

So-called “anchor-babies” are NOT U.S. citizens. Neither the Constitution nor the 14th Amendment grants or supports the granting of "birthright citizenship" to illegals or foreigners. There is NO such thing as “birthright citizenship" for the children of illegal aliens on U.S. soil.

Don't just take *my* word for it; take it directly from the AUTHOR of the 14th Amendment's first clause, Senator Jacob Howard, who, in 1866 fully described the intent, focus, and limits of the first clause while addressing and introducing it to the 39th Congress for ratification:

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“Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is, by virtue of natural law and national law, a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great issue in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.” — Senator Jacob Howard, Congressional Globe, 39th Congress (1866) pg. 2890

So, ... did you catch it?

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“This will NOT, of course, include persons born in the United States who are FOREIGNERS, ALIENS, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States”

AND...

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“It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are NOT citizens of the United States.”

Just in case anyone thinks that the quote has been “selectively edited” or was never made, here is the official record of the 39th U.S. Congress from the U.S. Library of Congress, itself, and opens to the exact page that contains the quote (p 2890/center column): http://www.memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11

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« Reply #172 on: August 12, 2020, 05:25:39 pm »
It is perfectly clear to me what the intent of the 14th amendment was.

So-called “anchor-babies” are NOT U.S. citizens. Neither the Constitution nor the 14th Amendment grants or supports the granting of "birthright citizenship" to illegals or foreigners. There is NO such thing as “birthright citizenship" for the children of illegal aliens on U.S. soil.

Don't just take *my* word for it; take it directly from the AUTHOR of the 14th Amendment's first clause, Senator Jacob Howard, who, in 1866 fully described the intent, focus, and limits of the first clause while addressing and introducing it to the 39th Congress for ratification:

So, ... did you catch it?

AND...

Just in case anyone thinks that the quote has been “selectively edited” or was never made, here is the official record of the 39th U.S. Congress from the U.S. Library of Congress, itself, and opens to the exact page that contains the quote (p 2890/center column): http://www.memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11

Yes, I agree that the intent is clear.  I still don't believe that if there was a challenge to Harris being a natural born citizen that the SCOTUS would even take up the case, and as I stated previously certainly if they did, Roberts would rule in her favor which is very unfortunate.
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« Reply #173 on: August 12, 2020, 05:32:01 pm »
Yes, I agree that the intent is clear.  I still don't believe that if there was a challenge to Harris being a natural born citizen that the SCOTUS would even take up the case, and as I stated previously certainly if they did, Roberts would rule in her favor which is very unfortunate.

None of which alters the truth one bit!
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« Reply #174 on: August 12, 2020, 05:37:31 pm »
None of which alters the truth one bit!

Absolutely agree.  The truth IS the truth!
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