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American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« on: August 02, 2020, 01:18:00 pm »
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/american-conservatism-is-fiddling-while-rome-burns/

What is conservatism in America today? It’s hundreds of millions of dollars a year spent fiddling while Rome burns. It’s ideas with little to no consequence. It’s getting trampled all over by History, but while yelling Stop!

Conservatism is the seven cheers for capitalism and the deafening silence on demographic change, feminism, and corporate malfeasance. It’s the same tired cast of speakers blathering about limited government almost a century after the New Deal. It’s the platitudinous Reagan quotes and the worn-out Buckley anecdotes. It’s the mindless optimism and the childish exhortations—if something can’t go on forever, it won’t!

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2020, 01:29:51 pm »
Oh no, someone conservative has been keeping up with the news the last 40-years and applying critical thinking. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2020, 01:31:00 pm »
BS.... Conservatism is the refusal to participate because of purity tests and then b***ch about the result....

If you don't participate, you abdicate the right to complain.

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2020, 01:33:59 pm »
I have to give this alot more thought. While I agree the Happy Warrior style of opposition has had its head handed to it by the progressive left over the past 50 years, its time we acknowledge it. It offers us no defense. That couldn't be more clear today as the left has practically declared war on us and major conservative figures seem to still have their thumbs in their butts.

Although I will never be comfortable supporting a muscular big government - today it may be kicking my enemies arse but it's just a matter of time before it oppresses me. Thats the nature of any group of humans wielding power.

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2020, 09:28:09 pm »

What is conservatism in America today? It’s hundreds of millions of dollars a year spent fiddling while Rome burns. It’s ideas with little to no consequence. It’s getting trampled all over by History, but while yelling Stop!
Conservatism is the seven cheers for capitalism and the deafening silence on demographic change, feminism, and corporate malfeasance. It’s the same tired cast of speakers blathering about limited government almost a century after the New Deal. It’s the platitudinous Reagan quotes and the worn-out Buckley anecdotes. It’s the mindless optimism and the childish exhortations—if something can’t go on forever, it won’t!
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Principled Conservatism whose champions included Plato, Ockham, Locke, Burke and
Russell Kirk in our time, has nothing (NOTHING) to do w/economics, politics and religion.
It is a body timeless principles derived from the Natural Law which governs human conduct,
enabling culture/society and the nation/state to survive and thrive.
Consider the Rule, "You cannot kill" and it's contrary,"You Can kill".
Which allows a culture/society to survive and which leads to it's demise?????
If the journo who scribbled his idiotic blather knew anything about conservatism,
he would have grasped that it deals w/the moral order of Mankind rather than
politics, the preoccupation of toddlers

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2020, 10:21:55 pm »
I sense that "conservatism" insofar as it exists today -- primarily as a collection of platitudes -- is reaching a dead end. If it be an elixir, it is losing its efficacy.

In the meantime, the strength of marxism grows in The West, particularly here in the USA. Could that be because it (at least in practice) discards platitudes for visceral actions and the emotions that accompany such?

Conservatism -- at least the kind of William F. Buckley -- isn't going to derail the marxist train.

I'm not sure what will, but... whatever it may be, we'd better find it soon.
Otherwise, we're liable to get run over before we realize what hit us.

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2020, 04:41:48 am »
NO BLAME, for all the DEMON-RATS LAWS, PUT IN TO UNDERMINE OUR COUNTRY?  JFK, LBJ, TEDDY?  HART/CELLER ACT 1965.

THAT ACT is what started us down the path of destruction of America.  DEMON-RATS...think, if anyone's foot touches our shore, they will BECOME ...AMERICAN.  NOT SO.  Most will not assimilate. DEMON-RATS won't change these bad immigration laws.
POTUS has talked about it for almost 4 years.
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President TRUMP has talked about this at every rally and press conference!  First HE FOLLOWS THE LAWS!
second., CONGRESS WILL NOT CHANGE THE LAWS THAT HARM AMERICANS. So much for helping minorities, who now stab us in the back!  IMMIGRATION LAWS  that allow people from Africa, Asia,LATIN AMERICA,  shithole country's , into America. THANK JFK, LBJ, TEDDY KENNEDY. NOW DEMON-RATS WON'T CHANGE LAWS.
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U.S. Immigration Since 1965.  HISTORY.COM EDITORS

CONTENTS
Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965
Immediate Impact
Continuing Source of Debate
Immigration in the 21st Century
The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, also known as the Hart-Celler Act, abolished an earlier quota system based on national origin and established a new immigration policy based on reuniting immigrant families and attracting skilled labor to the United States.

Over the next four decades, the policies put into effect in 1965 would greatly change the demographic makeup of the American population, as immigrants entering the United States under the new legislation came increasingly from countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America, as opposed to Europe.

Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965

By the early 1960s, calls to reform U.S. immigration policy had mounted, thanks in no small part to the growing strength of the civil rights movement. At the time, immigration was based on the national-origins quota system in place since the 1920s, under which each nationality was assigned a quota based on its representation in past U.S. census figures. The civil rights movement’s focus on equal treatment regardless of race or nationality led many to view the quota system as backward and discriminatory. In particular, Greeks, Poles, Portuguese and Italians–of whom increasing numbers were seeking to enter the U.S.–claimed that the quota system discriminated against them in favor of Northern Europeans.

President John F. Kennedy even took up the immigration reform cause, giving a speech in June 1963 calling the quota system “intolerable.”


Did you know? A report in early 2009 by the DHS's Office of Immigration Statistics estimated the number of "unauthorized immigrants" in the United States at 10.7 million, down from 11.6 million in 2008. The recent decline in immigration coincided with the economic downturn in the U.S., but figures were still up from 2000, when illegal immigrants numbered some 8.5 million.
After Kennedy’s assassination that November, Congress began debating and would eventually pass the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, co-sponsored by Representative Emanuel Celler of New York and Senator Philip Hart of Michigan and heavily supported by the late president’s brother,


Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts. During Congressional debates, a number of experts testified that little would effectively change under the reformed legislation, and it was seen more as a matter of principle to have a more open policy. Indeed, on signing the act into law in October 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson stated that the act “is not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions….It will not reshape the structure of our daily lives or add importantly to either our wealth or our power.”


Immediate Impact
In reality (and with the benefit of hindsight), the bill signed in 1965 marked a dramatic break with past immigration policy, and would have an immediate and lasting impact. In place of the national-origins quota system, the act provided for preferences to be made according to categories, such as relatives of U.S. citizens or permanent residents, those with skills deemed useful to the United States or refugees of violence or unrest. Though it abolished quotas per se, the system did place caps on per-country and total immigration, as well as caps on each category. As in the past, family reunification was a major goal, and the new immigration policy would increasingly allow entire families to uproot themselves from other countries and reestablish their lives in the U.S.

In the first five years after the bill’s passage, immigration to the U.S. from Asian countries–especially those fleeing war-torn Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Cambodia)–would more than quadruple. (Under past immigration policies, Asian immigrants had been effectively barred from entry.) Other Cold War-era conflicts during the 1960s and 1970s saw millions of people fleeing poverty or the hardships of communist regimes in Cuba, Eastern Europe and elsewhere to seek their fortune on American shores.

 All told, in the three decades following passage of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, more than 18 million legal immigrants entered the United States, more than three times the number admitted over the preceding 30 years.


By the end of the 20th century, the policies put into effect by the Immigration Act of 1965 had greatly changed the face of the American population.

 Whereas in the 1950s, more than half of all immigrants were Europeans and just 6 percent were Asians, by the 1990s only 16 percent were Europeans and 31 percent were of Asian descent, while the percentages of Latino and African immigrants had also jumped significantly. Between 1965 and 2000, the highest number of immigrants (4.3 million) to the U.S. came from Mexico, in addition to some 1.4 million from the Philippines. Korea, the Dominican Republic, India, Cuba and Vietnam were also leading sources of immigrants, each sending between 700,000 and 800,000 over this period.
Continuing Source of Debate
Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, illegal immigration was a constant source of political debate, as immigrants continue to pour into the United States, mostly by land routes through Canada and Mexico. The Immigration Reform Act in 1986 attempted to address the issue by providing better enforcement of immigration policies and creating more possibilities to seek legal immigration. The act included two amnesty programs for unauthorized aliens, and collectively granted amnesty to more than 3 million illegal aliens. Another piece of immigration legislation, the 1990 Immigration Act, modified and expanded the 1965 act, increasing the total level of immigration to 700,000. The law also provided for the admission of immigrants from “underrepresented” countries to increase the diversity of the immigrant flow.
The economic recession that hit the country in the early 1990s was accompanied by a resurgence of anti-immigrant feeling, including among lower-income Americans competing for jobs with immigrants willing to work for lower wages.


In 1996, Congress passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which addressed border enforcement and the use of social programs by immigrants.
Immigration in the 21st Century
In the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the Homeland Security Act of 2002 created the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which took over many immigration service and enforcement functions formerly performed by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). With some modifications, the policies put into place by the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965 are the same ones governing U.S. immigration in the early 21st century. Non-citizens currently enter the United States lawfully in one of two ways, either by receiving either temporary (non-immigrant) admission or permanent (immigrant) admission. A member of the latter category is classified as a lawful permanent resident, and receives a green card granting them eligibility to work in the United States and to eventually apply for citizenship.

There could be perhaps no greater reflection of the impact of immigration than the

2008 election of Barack Obama, the son of a Kenyan father and an American mother



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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2020, 04:50:32 am »
BTW; Anyone from these countries listed and YOU are assimilated and an AMERICAN...I have no problem with you!  In fact, I don't even KNOW ...where any of you are from or ethnic origin.  It is general issue.  Welcome to come here, legally,  but don't bring your communism ....here!   

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2020, 05:28:18 am »
When the voting public keeps sliding to the left with each vote eventually you reach the point the slide turns sharply towards ground level.

Voters have voted more RINOs in office the past decade that congress is basically middle of the road and swings to the left.

Because voters have no point of saying no to voting in RINOs, we have moved further towards the abyss. The lesser of two evils voter mentality is to blame.
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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2020, 06:25:35 am »
When the voting public keeps sliding to the left with each vote eventually you reach the point the slide turns sharply towards ground level.

Voters have voted more RINOs in office the past decade that congress is basically middle of the road and swings to the left.

Because voters have no point of saying no to voting in RINOs, we have moved further towards the abyss. The lesser of two evils voter mentality is to blame.

That's right... Conservatism and Conservatives have NOTHING to do with what's going on.

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2020, 12:57:50 pm »
That's right... Conservatism and Conservatives have NOTHING to do with what's going on.

Thank you for proving Mr. Azerrad's thesis.

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2020, 01:02:18 pm »
When the voting public keeps sliding to the left with each vote eventually you reach the point the slide turns sharply towards ground level.

Voters have voted more RINOs in office the past decade that congress is basically middle of the road and swings to the left.

Because voters have no point of saying no to voting in RINOs, we have moved further towards the abyss. The lesser of two evils voter mentality is to blame.

 :amen:  Unfortunately we have gotten to the point where there aren't enough conservatives running to unseat the RINO's, OR leadership sides with and funds the RINO incumbents.
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2020, 01:06:29 pm »
That's right... Conservatism and Conservatives have NOTHING to do with what's going on.

I agree with you.  Here's why ...

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... this new Right has a decidedly unconservative temperament. It is spirited, manly, and combative. We fight with the same intensity, resolve, and clarity of purpose with which the Left fights. And we fight not to stem our losses, but to win.

This new Right understands not just ideas, but power. ... We understand the need to build new institutions—in particular those with the power to shape public opinion—

We also understand the importance of knowing how to govern.

(FTA)

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2020, 01:14:55 pm »
:amen:  Unfortunately we have gotten to the point where there aren't enough conservatives running to unseat the RINO's, OR leadership sides with and funds the RINO incumbents.

Conservatives need to stop whining and pointing fingers.  As Mr. Azerrad suggests:  Offer the people solutions for today's problems; show how the solutions will be implemented and prove that you are up to the challenge  --- and the people will come.

Stop fiddling while the nation burns.



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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2020, 01:26:08 pm »
Conservatives need to stop whining and pointing fingers.  As Mr. Azerrad suggests:  Offer the people solutions for today's problems; show how the solutions will be implemented and prove that you are up to the challenge  --- and the people will come.

Stop fiddling while the nation burns.

It isn't a matter of whining it's a matter of not continuing to vote in the same RINO's that got us to where we are today; moving further and further towards the left!
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2020, 01:26:23 pm »
Conservatives need to stop whining and pointing fingers.  As Mr. Azerrad suggests:  Offer the people solutions for today's problems; show how the solutions will be implemented and prove that you are up to the challenge  --- and the people will come.

Stop fiddling while the nation burns.

There is not a thing wrong with the ideology espoused by Barry Goldwater 60 years ago. The good Trump has done or has tried to do - border security, regulations reform, energy independence, reduction of military involvement in foreign countries, originalist judges, etc. - are all in accord with classic Conservatism, whether he calls himself one or not.

It's our tactics of how we take and hold political power that must change.

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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2020, 01:30:52 pm »
Conservatives need to stop whining and pointing fingers.  As Mr. Azerrad suggests:  Offer the people solutions for today's problems; show how the solutions will be implemented and prove that you are up to the challenge  --- and the people will come.

Stop fiddling while the nation burns.

Or...people could just go on bitching and browbeating others for not being “conservative enough” while winnable elections slip through their fingers searching for the perfect conservative. (Since he’s dead, Goldwater was unavailable for comment)

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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2020, 01:46:54 pm »
Or...people could just go on bitching and browbeating others for not being “conservative enough” while winnable elections slip through their fingers searching for the perfect conservative. (Since he’s dead, Goldwater was unavailable for comment)

We have a Senate with RINO leadership who has proven time and time again to be detrimental not only to the party but to conservatism itself.  We had control of the House but because of RINO leadership we lost that House majority. 

It's not a matter of browbeating for not being conservative enough; it's truth.

Proposing that we continue to vote in RINO's and expecting a different result is ludicrous. Meanwhile ... Rome burns
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2020, 01:57:04 pm »
Reagan didn’t check off every conservative box. William F. Buckley Jr. didn’t check off every conservative box. For heavens sake, Goldwater didn’t check off every conservative box.

Conservatives need dynamic leaders, not just ideologues draped in conservative purity.

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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2020, 02:21:04 pm »
Conservatives need to stop whining and pointing fingers.  As Mr. Azerrad suggests:  Offer the people solutions for today's problems; show how the solutions will be implemented and prove that you are up to the challenge  --- and the people will come.

Stop fiddling while the nation burns.

 :amen:
     We need problem-solvers! That's why I can't wait until President Trump unveils his big healthcare plan he promoted during that July 19th interview with Chris Wallace:

      "We’re signing a health-care plan within two weeks, a full and complete health-care plan.”

     It's a day or two past his own deadline, but I am certain that it's coming this week. After all, what kind of deficient, defective fraud would make such a statement--during a pandemic when so many of his fellow Americans have grave concerns about health coverage--if it wasn't true? Conservatives would never tolerate pie-in-the-sky, lying-ass politicians. That's the Left's milieu.

"I’d like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem...

To demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol: you have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction: you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law: you will pay." - President Donald J. Trump, January 7th, 2021

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2020, 02:27:12 pm »
Reagan didn’t check off every conservative box. William F. Buckley Jr. didn’t check off every conservative box. For heavens sake, Goldwater didn’t check off every conservative box.

Conservatives need dynamic leaders, not just ideologues draped in conservative purity.

The GOP Party has very few conservatives in Congress and the same RINO's and failed leadership keep getting voted in. Until that scenario changes, the GOP will continue to veer left and the DEMS will continues to head towards socialism.   Rome is burning.

I believe Trump to be a leader.  Yes, I have issues with how he has handled the riots and his intent to grant a roadway to citizenship with DACA.  He has made some accomplishments that have taken this country in a more positive direction.  Can you imagine if he had conservative leadership in the Senate and a Senate devoid of RINO's what he could accomplish?  Can you imagine if we would have had conservative leadership in the House instead of a RINO?  We would still have the majority. 

Whether or not Trump is a conservative is not the issue in my eyes here, the issue is people voting in the same RINO's thinking things are going to change.  Again, the other issue is there aren't enough conservatives to replace those RINO's so the RINO incumbents stay.

The ONLY way that this cycle of madness is going to stop is if people put their foot down and refuse to vote for RINO's.

The very worst thing Trump can do to conservatism and the GOP right now is to grant amnesty to DACA; not only will he be giving his base the middle finger but he will annihilate the GOP's chance of every being seated again and destroy any chance of conservatism in the future...meanwhile Rome is burning.

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Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2020, 02:46:29 pm »
:amen:
     We need problem-solvers! That's why I can't wait until President Trump unveils his big healthcare plan he promoted during that July 19th interview with Chris Wallace:

      "We’re signing a health-care plan within two weeks, a full and complete health-care plan.”

     It's a day or two past his own deadline, but I am certain that it's coming this week. After all, what kind of deficient, defective fraud would make such a statement--during a pandemic when so many of his fellow Americans have grave concerns about health coverage--if it wasn't true? Conservatives would never tolerate pie-in-the-sky, lying-ass politicians. That's the Left's milieu.

In another interview Trump stated:

"No, what I'm going to do is that they're going to part of a much bigger bill on immigration. It's going to be a very big bill, a very good bill, and merit-based bill and it will include DACA, and I think people are going to be very happy," said Trump.

"But one of the aspects of the bill is going to be DACA. We're going to have a road to citizenship," he added.


That isn't problem solving; that is adding fuel to the already existing fire!!

In another interview Trump stated:

"We cannot and must not allow a small group of criminals and vandals to wreck our cities and lay waste to our communities," Trump said in Florida after watching the successful launch of a SpaceX rocket Saturday.

"My administration will stop mob violence. And we'll stop it cold."


Here we sit....meanwhile Rome is burning.
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2020, 02:51:09 pm »
We have a Senate with RINO leadership who has proven time and time again to be detrimental not only to the party but to conservatism itself.  We had control of the House but because of RINO leadership we lost that House majority. 

The Republican Party is a center-right party.  It is not a conservative party.  I wish people would understand this so they could appreciate how foolish they sound when they throw out "RINO" as a pejorative.  Conservatives are a minority in a minority party.

I don't know what folks think happened in the 1980s ... but it was not a sea change shift to inbred conservatism.  The 1980s was a decade of American populism ... a rising up of the American voter to save the American economy, the American dream and American global prestige --- much like what is happening in part today.

The difference is today's populists are not going to retreat from the battle we're in.  We are not going to waste time playing with our bow ties and pinning for an imperfect man who was perfect for the times in which he lived.  We're going to keep marching forward with more than admonishments and lectures --- we're marching forward with strategies to take back power.  The power to affect true change and return the institutions of the government to its rightful roots.  We're going to take it all back.  All of it.

And we're not doing it as "conservatives". 

So we do not have time or patience for "RINO" nonsense or purity tests or numbnuts trimming their navel hair on the sidelines waiting for the masses to beg for their leadership.  We are growing to despise you for the ineffectual annoyances you've become.

Conservatives need to stop thinking more of themselves than they have the right to think.  Stop pointing fingers.  Stop whining. 

And most of all, get the hell out of the way.

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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2020, 03:11:47 pm »
The Republican Party is a center-right party.  It is not a conservative party.  I wish people would understand this so they could appreciate how foolish they sound when they throw out "RINO" as a pejorative.  Conservatives are a minority in a minority party.

I don't know what folks think happened in the 1980s ... but it was not a sea change shift to inbred conservatism.  The 1980s was a decade of American populism ... a rising up of the American voter to save the American economy, the American dream and American global prestige --- much like what is happening in part today.

The difference is today's populists are not going to retreat from the battle we're in.  We are not going to waste time playing with our bow ties and pinning for an imperfect man who was perfect for the times in which he lived.  We're going to keep marching forward with more than admonishments and lectures --- we're marching forward with strategies to take back power.  The power to affect true change and return the institutions of the government to its rightful roots.  We're going to take it all back.  All of it.

And we're not doing it as "conservatives". 

So we do not have time or patience for "RINO" nonsense or purity tests or numbnuts trimming their navel hair on the sidelines waiting for the masses to beg for their leadership.  We are growing to despise you for the ineffectual annoyances you've become.

Conservatives need to stop thinking more of themselves than they have the right to think.  Stop pointing fingers.  Stop whining. 

And most of all, get the hell out of the way.

Excuse me but this country was founded upon conservative principles!!!  We have ventured too far away from those principles and that is why we have the problems that we are experiencing today.  Get the hell out of the way to make room for liberals and RINO's -- maybe that's what you would like to see, but I don't see that as an option for me!!
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2020, 04:01:43 pm »
The problem with republicans today is that they say nothing...just wait for things to pass. They aren't leaders anymore, they are in the backseat so they can have a nap when things get rough. This was a long video, 13 minutes, and sorry about that, but you can skip the first 60 seconds, it's just intro! More or less bashing republicans, but hey Ad Hominem ya know? Not bashing their principles, just their silence during this violence and unrest. I swing much more libertarian so I have no camp at all...lol. But I think I summed it up fairly well!


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