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Seattle Police Chief To Residents: We No Longer Can “Preserve Property in the Midst of a Large, Violent Crowd”

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/seattle-police-chief-to-residents-the-police-cannot-enforce-the-law-you-are-on-your-own/

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Seattle police cannot use any crowd-control devices and must, effectively, let the violent, lawless rioters run free.

Seattle’s police chief alerted residents that they are on their own now.

Lest any think the article writer exaggerates, here is an image of the the SPD chief's letter:



I do not think this will be the last such letter, unless things change drastically and suddenly.
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Officers investigating a possible explosive damage to walls of the East Precinct. Also reportedly some sort of explosives being thrown or fired at officers.
7:34 PM · Jul 25, 2020·

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Reports of demonstrators breaking windows at additional businesses in the 900 block of 12th. Also a fight reportedly in progress at the scene.
7:19 PM · Jul 25, 2020



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Seattle Police Chief Sends Simple Message To Businesses During Riots: You’re On Your Own
 

David Krayden
Ottawa Bureau Chief
July 25, 2020 1:41 PM ET
 

Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best told local businesses Friday that due to new city council regulations, the police force won’t intervene in the event of more riots.

“Please also know that the City Council Ordinance 119805 Crowd Control Tool goes into effect this weekend on Sunday, July 26, 2020. This ordinance bans Seattle Police officers the use of less lethal tools, including pepper spray that is commonly used to disperse crowds that have turned violent,” a letter addressed to businesses and residents in the city stated.

Best argued that this has resulted in her police officers having “NO ability to safely intercede to preserve property in the midst of a large, violent crowd.”

https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/25/seattle-police-carmen-best-businesses-on-your-own-riots/
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I think the Ordinance the Police have big trouble with that takes away all "non-lethal" weapons had an Injunction placed against it while a Judge can take some time to look at it.
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They are just getting what they voted for, good and hard.

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My son asked me recently about the difference between 1968 and today.  JMO, there we cases where police may have went over proper lines back then, and actually hurt valid peaceful protestors.    And that was exploited by the left to their benefit. 

This time restraint by Law Enforcement has gone too far in the other direction.  I think the MSM would be aghast of what percentage of the population this time would love to see some heads being busted.
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The truth is that citizens have ALWAYS "been on their own". The police do NOT work for "thee and me",and never have. They,like everyone else,work for who pays their paychecks,namely the political leadership under whom they work.
Ever think you would be arrested for NOT wearing a mask when entering a convenience store?

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Seattle is no longer "dying".

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The truth is that citizens have ALWAYS "been on their own". The police do NOT work for "thee and me",and never have. They,like everyone else,work for who pays their paychecks,namely the political leadership under whom they work.

Anyone who does not believe that to be true should try suing them for not "protecting you or your property.  You will get a very quick education.

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Anyone who does not believe that to be true should try suing them for not "protecting you or your property.  You will get a very quick education.

I believe there is clear SCOTUS precedent that the Police are not responsible for "protecting and serving" us.
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Step aside, then as you just admitted you are a failure.

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Seattle Police Chief: If You Won't Let Us Defend Officers, We Won't Show Up
Sun Jul 26, 2020 Daniel Greenfield
 

Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best, who is African-American, has been dealing with this insanity since the beginning of the riots. This letter is basically a legalistic way of telling the Seattle City Council that its members are insane, that their legislative moves are unworkable, and that she's going to go ahead and let them implement them and wreck the city as a result.

    SPD has confirmed with the City Attorney’s Office that the City Council ordinance banning the use of less lethal tools – including pepper spray – commonly used to disperse crowds that have turned violent, will go into effect this weekend as written.

    I am sending this notification for the purpose of ensuring I have done my due diligence of informing Council of the foreseeable impact of this ordinance on upcoming events.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/07/seattle-police-chief-if-you-wont-let-us-defend-daniel-greenfield/
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Federal Judge Blocks New Seattle Law Prohibiting Use Of Pepper Spray and Certain Anti-Riot Weapons

Judge James Robart issued an order Friday night that blocked a Seattle law  prohibiting police from using pepper spray and other anti-riot weapons. While described by the court as “very temporary,” it is also very dubious from a constitutional standpoint. I do not see the authority of a federal judge to stop the City of Seattle from determining what gear and devices may be used by its own officers, particularly in response to the federal government objecting to the state policy.  The court in my view does not have the authority to make such a policy decision, even on a “very temporary” basis.  Update: A different federal judge issued a more credible ruling in rejecting the demand of the Oregon Attorney General to put limits on the federal officers.  The Oregon Attorney General’s filing was long on rhetoric and short on the law.

The Seattle City Council passed the new law unanimously last month and it was denounced by many as putting its own officers at greater risk.  Many Seattle officers have already been injured by rioters.

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/07/25/federal-judge-blocks-new-seattle-law-prohibiting-use-of-pepper-spray-and-certain-anti-riot-weapons/#more-160707
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David Krayden
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July 25, 2020 1:41 PM ET
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Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best told local businesses Friday that due to new city council regulations, the police force won’t intervene in the event of more riots.

“Please also know that the City Council Ordinance 119805 Crowd Control Tool goes into effect this weekend on Sunday, July 26, 2020. This ordinance bans Seattle Police officers the use of less lethal tools, including pepper spray that is commonly used to disperse crowds that have turned violent,” a letter addressed to businesses and residents in the city stated.

Best argued that this has resulted in her police officers having “NO ability to safely intercede to preserve property in the midst of a large, violent crowd.”

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https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/25/seattle-police-carmen-best-businesses-on-your-own-riots/
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People, please don't post thread after thread after etc. about this single story.  Just post new developments in this thread so interested people can see the context for each new development.

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The city was temporarily saved from itself by the Judge's injunction against the new Ordinance.  That respite will be short, because the Injunction will likely be lifted before the week is out.  As a result, the anarchist City Council remains insulated from their words and deeds.

This situation is not tenable, and won't last for long.  Eventually Seattle will get the police it deserves, good and hard.
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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Cyber writes:
"This situation is not tenable, and won't last for long.  Eventually Seattle will get the police it deserves, good and hard."

The mayor and city council (under whose authority the police department operates) are communists, and will NEVER do anything to resolve the rioting and lawlessness that is congruent to normal channels of civilian behavior.

It almost sounds like the police chief would honestly attempt to regain control if so allowed, but is being ordered to refrain from any actions which might accomplish this.

There's really going to be only one "solution" for both Seattle and Portland, and I'll go on record as being the first one here to state it:
Go in with federal TROOPS (not agents), go to wherever the city council and/or mayor's office is, and physically REMOVE those individuals from their positions (by force of arms, if necessary).
Then... install a temporary military administrator in their place.
Then... summon the police chief and tell her that she is now under U.S. government authority and will take whatever action is necessary to regain control of the streets and restore civil order.

If this be martial law... then... it is what it is.

I've come to the conclusion that we must do to the blue states and the leftists/communists within, what William Tecumseh Sherman did to Georgia.
(And yet I believe the South was right... about everything)

If this is to be stopped, then we must ACT like we mean to STOP it.
Because if we don't... it's going to "stop" The Republic.

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Day 56. Last night six DHS law enforcement officers were injured in Portland. To be clear, criminals assaulted FEDERAL officers on FEDERAL property…and the city of Portland did nothing.

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Well,to be fair,that IS a feral crime,not  a local crime.

True,the local authories can prosecute them on local assault charges,but comparing local assault charges to what the feds can do to them is like comparing a mosquitoe bite to being ran over and trampled by a herd of elephants.
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The city was temporarily saved from itself by the Judge's injunction against the new Ordinance.  That respite will be short, because the Injunction will likely be lifted before the week is out.  As a result, the anarchist City Council remains insulated from their words and deeds.

 

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Seems to me that NOW is the time for anyone who may hold some sort of grievance against the City Council members to strike. Can't be THAT hard to find out where they live.
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Seems to me that NOW is the time for anyone who may hold some sort of grievance against the City Council members to strike. Can't be THAT hard to find out where they live.

I don't want to think about it, let alone discuss it on a public forum.  Hint....
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I don't want to think about it, let alone discuss it on a public forum.  Hint....

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I have no idea as to what you may be hinting about.
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I have no idea as to what you may be hinting about.

I suspected, and that's good!  That could have been construed as a suggestion some people be "taken out."  I know better, 'cause I know you.
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I suspected, and that's good!  That could have been construed as a suggestion some people be "taken out."  I know better, 'cause I know you.

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Thank you! I am a law-abiding peaceable man by nature.
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Thank you! I am a law-abiding peaceable man by nature.

And I know you are!  :beer:
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