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No matter what we do, it is still going to be "take from the rich and give to the poor".
We need to somehow dismantle the feds reach and move state functions back to the states, like Federal Highways and Education..
Turn the EPA into an insurance company and strip it of the authority to steal property.

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From the folks who currently pay no "income" taxes mainly despite what may seem to you. 

I'd like that.  But do you think ANY poliitican would go on record and say that? , or even much less legislate it.  Like it or not, MSM would finish off the GOP if they sponsored somethoing like what you just memtioned.  Talk about bad optics.
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No matter what we do, it is still going to be "take from the rich and give to the poor".
We need to somehow dismantle the feds reach and move state functions back to the states, like Federal Highways and Education..
Turn the EPA into an insurance company and strip it of the authority to steal property.

I dealt with the EPA for 35 years.  They are the closest thing to an American Gestapo that there is. 
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I'm just wondering a little what it will be like in 50 years when we have both a sales tax and an income tax.  Sure, we could repeal the 16th, which would reset things to where they were before that black day: The government had already instituted an Income Tax following the Civil War.  It was found unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, and that's why they passed the 16th in the first place.

Now...take a look at the black-robed tyrants on the SCOTUS today, then tell me they would find the same way as the SCOTUS did in the 19th Century.  John Roberts will find a way to structure the National Government's argument to make it magically legal, as he did with O'Bastardcare.  You have to know that decision was a source of great pride for the court's newest Souter.

That is my base problem with this proposal:  We will end up with both taxes, and at higher rates than before.  And the destruction of the US economy will proceed even faster.
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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Seems like smoke and mirrors at this point.
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Dear fish, it is smoke and mirrors because the government sets the amount of tax on items purchased.  They will raise that rate and raise that rate and raise that rate and no one can/would stop them.  The more they raise the rate, the more money they get.  The poor won't be able to purchase items due to the tax rate and higher tax rate and higher tax rate. 

The poor didn't buy much anyway, so forget them.  Finally, the medium group will be affected, they then only buy what they actually must have, and they are the cash cow for the government.  The rich will buy what they want from some other country that doesn't have this system.  The government goes down the rabbit hole and the income tax must come back if the country is to exist.

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@catfish1957

Dear fish, it is smoke and mirrors because the government sets the amount of tax on items purchased.  They will raise that rate and raise that rate and raise that rate and no one can/would stop them.  The more they raise the rate, the more money they get.  The poor won't be able to purchase items due to the tax rate and higher tax rate and higher tax rate. 

And, with a bit of chicanery the Income Tax will come back when the raising doesn't raise enough cash.  All they need are 5 leftist Justices on SCOTUS, and they have that right now, with Robert's abdication of principals and now-reliable liberal vote.

Let us not forget:  If Congress gets the stones to repeal the 16th, it will be done with an eye to ensuring a loophole to permit it.  In a few decades, we will have both an Income and a Sales Tax, at higher levels than ever before.
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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@catfish1957

Dear fish, it is smoke and mirrors because the government sets the amount of tax on items purchased.  They will raise that rate and raise that rate and raise that rate and no one can/would stop them.  The more they raise the rate, the more money they get.  The poor won't be able to purchase items due to the tax rate and higher tax rate and higher tax rate. 

The poor didn't buy much anyway, so forget them.  Finally, the medium group will be affected, they then only buy what they actually must have, and they are the cash cow for the government.  The rich will buy what they want from some other country that doesn't have this system.  The government goes down the rabbit hole and the income tax must come back if the country is to exist.
Wielding the sledge hammer already...

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Wielding the sledge hammer already...

Already reminding you that anything we want, no matter how small, is a "sledge hammer" to the Democrat Socialist media.
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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Already reminding you that anything we want, no matter how small, is a "sledge hammer" to the Democrat Socialist media.

Understand, but that is she is not the media, we are shooting ourselves in the foot...

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Already reminding you that anything we want, no matter how small, is a "sledge hammer" to the Democrat Socialist media.
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"The poor didn't buy much anyway, so forget them."

I meant that is what the government would think.
Their money would come from the middle class, not the poor, so they would ignore the poor.  I go to a Catholic Church and we feed the poor every day.

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There sure are some dreamers in this forum.

Abolish the IRS?
This is a joke, right?
Wait until the communists assume full power here.
Then you'll see how abusive taxation can REALLY become.

Value-added tax?
Yes, of course!
ALONG WITH the harsher income taxes as well.

Some of the previous posts... well... they're downright whimsical or laugh-out-loud funny...!

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There sure are some dreamers in this forum.

Abolish the IRS?
This is a joke, right?
Wait until the communists assume full power here.
Then you'll see how abusive taxation can REALLY become.

Value-added tax?
Yes, of course!


ALONG WITH the harsher income taxes as well.


Some of the previous posts... well... they're downright whimsical or laugh-out-loud funny...!

All already in place @Fishrrman

I've been at this for a long time and have no purpose other than to remind folks that we will never again be a truly FREE people for so long as we continue to abide the Marxist Income tax and its handmaiden the IRS!

You are welcome to laugh all you please!

One thing I have learned is that this guy was right!

“It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.”

Voltaire
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And, with a bit of chicanery the Income Tax will come back when the raising doesn't raise enough cash.  In a few decades, we will have both an Income and a Sales Tax, at higher levels than ever before.

Yes, that would be my next paragraph if I had kept writing.  We cannot stop government from taking our money, and they if they do Sales Tax only, they will start regular Income Tax again and keep both.

I have been to England many times as my son has lived there over 25 years.  They have VAT on all purchases, which means "Value Added Tax".  When I bought something there, upon going to the airport when leaving, there was a desk where I gave them the bills and they gave the VAT money back to me as I didn't live there so did not pay that tax.

Story: It pays to be honest.
One time, I bought too much in England, over the dollar amount the US allows you to spend and bring back to this country.  I would have to pay a US customs fee.

When I got to the US Airport, I had my bills together, went to the customs desk, and said to the man, "I bought too much.  Here are my bills."

He looked at the bills and the items and said, "No tax on books, new or old.  We do not charge for bringing in antiques. You owe nothing."
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@catfish1957

Dear fish, it is smoke and mirrors because the government sets the amount of tax on items purchased.  They will raise that rate and raise that rate and raise that rate and no one can/would stop them.  The more they raise the rate, the more money they get.  The poor won't be able to purchase items due to the tax rate and higher tax rate and higher tax rate. 

The poor didn't buy much anyway, so forget them.  Finally, the medium group will be affected, they then only buy what they actually must have, and they are the cash cow for the government.  The rich will buy what they want from some other country that doesn't have this system.  The government goes down the rabbit hole and the income tax must come back if the country is to exist.

Oh yeah, I kind of alluded to it more or less a few posts ago.  But don't forget the main thing.   Our tax code is complicated and convulted for a reason.  All in a manner for the IRS to used it for power via confusion and obfuscation.  Do you think the IRS, and congress are going to relinquish that power in favor of a simpler system that the consumer can control his own destiny in how he wants to fund his government?  Heck no. 

In theory, I like the suggestion, as it would benefit me significantly.  But thinking this could ever get past a power point presentation is pure folly.
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Oh yeah, I kind of alluded to it more or less a few posts ago.  But don't forget the main thing.   Our tax code is complicated and convulted for a reason.  All in a manner for the IRS to used it for power via confusion and obfuscation.  Do you think the IRS, and congress are going to relinquish that power in favor of a simpler system that the consumer can control his own destiny in how he wants to fund his government?  Heck no. 

In theory, I like the suggestion, as it would benefit me significantly.  But thinking this could ever get past a power point presentation is pure folly.

Nobody, least of all me, ever said it was going to be easy!  NOTHING worthwhile ever is.

But know this. I believe in this so much that I would gladly lay down my life to see it enacted.
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