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We'll just have to agree to disagree.  90%+ of the subburban population is either unprepared, underprepared, or doesn't have a stomach to fight back.  Then add the fact you have the rule of law that seems to be favoring the rioter  based on race baiting.  Have you even been following the STL couple who simply defended their property?   Their weapons were seized, and and now may be seeing prosecution.  This is not going to be an isolated incident as this spreads.

You are far too optimistic.
I know exactly what you mean. Yes but, they did in fact scare them.
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Here's what's been going on in Portland overnight:I don't care whether the feds or the local cops are wearing camo, plain clothes or tutus. I don't care whether they're driving unmarked minivans, Chevy Novas or golf carts. I want this nonsense stopped and order restored.

The argument I have been given here about why Trump says he is going to do something and he doesn't is because the left will use it against him on election.  I guess he did something the left would use against him anyway.  And I think a military presence would be less offensive than snatching people off the streets.  People said he couldn't go in there without a invitation.  Well apparently people here don't believe what they said the other day because he is snatching without even declaring Insurrection Act.

I have Donald Trump figured out.  He does things to make the left mad because he uses it.  Its obvious that people would defend him for not doing anything and now defend him for doing what they said he shouldn't because of the elections.  Its just plain I go along with whatever Donald Trump says or does.  Trump knows it and he started another battle with the left because its great for him.  Couldn't just do the Insurrection Act which the left would have a hard time denying.  Because the Constitution actually gives him the authority.



AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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As much as I would like to agree,  the general population has gotten soft, complacent, and gone sheeple.  The 5% of us who do fight back are not going to be able save that faction, and in fact we may be out numbered by the BLM Antifa  thuggery, as it grows and gets even more embolden. .
Recall the numbers from the Revolutionary war? A third for it, a third against it, a third neutral, and 3% fighting.
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Recall the numbers from the Revolutionary war? A third for it, a third against it, a third neutral, and 3% fighting.

We have EVERYTHING to lose and everything to gain by fighting back.  Just sayin'
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240b wrote:
"Liberals think in the immediate term of what they think will benefit them in the very short term. Liberals do not comprehend the concept of repercussions or ramifications. They do not think that way.
When they started supported and joined in with all this stuff, they never imagined that it would ever rebound on them. Liberals do not play chess. Because they can't. They can only think one move ahead."


I will take exception with you here.

Yes, the "liberals" in the street, and many of their supporters in their homes may not be thinking beyond the short term.

However, the real organizers and powers-that-be operating behind them (and out of sight) are strategic thinkers, as were all the significant communist figures in the history of that plague.

They are playing "the long game", and have been doing so for at least 80 years. We are now witnessing the fruition of their efforts.

Part of the communist plan to win is to acquire territory and make it "theirs", and then expand, either by intimidation and infiltration, or by force.

Today they're flexing their muscles in places like Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis. These places are no longer just "left", but "HARD-left" or outright, self-declared marxist. Some states now border on almost-unbreakable one-party rule. Right now, that "party" identifies as "democrat" for public consumption. But scratch the surface -- often not deeply -- and you'll find other political convictions beneath.

The longer we wait to confront and stop them, the more difficult the task will be.

I'm coming to believe that even a "peaceful separation" won't work, because as soon as the leftists/communists are "an independent nation", watch for them to start forming allegiances with communist nations like China and North Korea, perhaps even inviting the military of those nations to establish bases and supply weapons and training. And they will then begin planning by which to go to war and overthrow what remains of "traditional, free America".

So again... we must confront them.
And defeat them, totally.
What other choices might there be?

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We have EVERYTHING to lose and everything to gain by fighting back.  Just sayin'

I came across this.

How Bad Are the Portland Riots? On-the-Ground Footage Provides an Insight


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/07/19/watch-on-the-ground-footage-shows-just-how-bad-the-riots-in-portland-really-are-n2572726

there are several video's of the riots in Portland.  I don't think minivan snatching is what they need.  Not even sure how a minivan could approach these rioters because it is masses of people destroying the city.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Oh, Screw the polls.

You want right, then put the blame where it belongs.

Why did this get out of hand?

Inaction by local police under orders from Town Councils, Mayors, and Governors who not only did not have their backs, but encouraged rioting and looting and 'giving protesters their room to express themselves'--those are the people whose job it was to stop this crap from day one.
 
They not only didn't put the brakes on, they sided with the 'protesters', looters, and rioters over ALL the other people and property they were supposed to be looking out for.
These are the people who enabled and encouraged lawlessness in the areas where they were supposed to be responsible for the law being upheld.

Now, do your due diligence and tell me who handles that problem?

Then learn about Sheriff Henry Plummer and Bannack, MT.

I have little doubt this crap was supposed to happen in my state (ND), just one over from Minnesota. It didn't.
There were a few windows broken in Fargo, but that got squelched, fast, despite the handwringing by their Mayor..

Here, the attitude was different (Western part of the State), and locals showed up and had their own peaceful assembly, armed, and obviously in good rapport with the police.
Nothing was broken, stolen, or burned.

Ultimately, it is up to us to shut this crap down.

Have the people of these jurisdictions made a plea to the POTUS to restore order?
Have they cited the nonfeasance of their elected officials?
 
(It isn't our back yard, it is up to them unless it ends up in our yard.)
 
Have they, personally, informed him that they are being held hostage, in fear of reprisal or their lives, unable to otherwise dissent?
 
In case you missed it, POTUS has other issues which do require his attention, which involve us all. But even that is not the reason, as I am sure he could take care of this, too, and some here assert (quite likely correctly) that he could do so, even though having the ability to do something does not mean that is the wisest course of action.

(Keep in mind, once the use of Presidential power against domestic groups on the precinct scale occurs, against the express wishes of existing duly elected governance, then this tool will have precedent for use by all future occupiers of the Oval Office, regardless of the desires of locals or their representatives in government.
That's a really dangerous place to go, and the last time someone arbitrarily invoked the use of force to bring jurisdictions into compliance with what the occupant of the White House thought they should be, without the request of the locals, 600,000 (bare minimum) died.

How many of you have met with your local LEOs, or representatives thereof, to assure them you are available to support them as needed in the event of such lawless activities? Have you established the means by which they will be able to identify you and separate you from protesters, discussed rules of engagement, communications, or any of the logistics involved? Have you worked out a plan in which you assist (not replace) the police in containing and stopping violence on your streets?
 
If not, why not?

It's your town, organize and take it back.

Right on!  POTUS asked all mayors & governors if they needed help from federal. They all (DEMS) said, NO!    STATES RIGHTS.   CHAIN OF COMMAND.  Then since, demon-rat mayors & governors would NOT stop the rioting, looting, destruction, POTUS SAID.  'DO SOMETHING OR I WILL"!   I think it was a brilliant idea.  Solve the problem, quietly,  yet get it DONE.  Now, new rioters, will look at unmarked VANS......differently.  GIVE ANTIFA, BLM, NEW BLACK PANTHERS= NATION. OF. ISLAM.... a little fear back to them! 

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240b wrote:
"Liberals think in the immediate term of what they think will benefit them in the very short term. Liberals do not comprehend the concept of repercussions or ramifications. They do not think that way.
When they started supported and joined in with all this stuff, they never imagined that it would ever rebound on them. Liberals do not play chess. Because they can't. They can only think one move ahead."


I will take exception with you here.

Yes, the "liberals" in the street, and many of their supporters in their homes may not be thinking beyond the short term.

However, the real organizers and powers-that-be operating behind them (and out of sight) are strategic thinkers, as were all the significant communist figures in the history of that plague.

They are playing "the long game", and have been doing so for at least 80 years. We are now witnessing the fruition of their efforts.

Part of the communist plan to win is to acquire territory and make it "theirs", and then expand, either by intimidation and infiltration, or by force.

Today they're flexing their muscles in places like Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis. These places are no longer just "left", but "HARD-left" or outright, self-declared marxist. Some states now border on almost-unbreakable one-party rule. Right now, that "party" identifies as "democrat" for public consumption. But scratch the surface -- often not deeply -- and you'll find other political convictions beneath.

The longer we wait to confront and stop them, the more difficult the task will be.

I'm coming to believe that even a "peaceful separation" won't work, because as soon as the leftists/communists are "an independent nation", watch for them to start forming allegiances with communist nations like China and North Korea, perhaps even inviting the military of those nations to establish bases and supply weapons and training. And they will then begin planning by which to go to war and overthrow what remains of "traditional, free America".

So again... we must confront them.
And defeat them, totally.
What other choices might there be?

If what I strongly suspect will happen actually happens..... that Trump wins in November in a landslide election.... Trump will then have proof of political support and the political capital to do what needs to be done re: these America-hating anarchists.   After the election will be the time for @ss-kicking them to the curb (or to Gitmo).   And how sweet it will be.
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So, how well is Trump doing in the polls by sitting back and watching things deteriorate?
I'm not necessarily advocating shooting these fools (but I wouldn't shed any tears), however, inaction by the president just encourages more rioting and lawlessness.
Given all that, there's the political course of action and there's the right course of action. We, I voted for Trump because we thought he'd do the right regardless of the political angle.
 I'll respect Trump more if he takes the decision to maintain law and order when mayors and govs. do not want to maintain law and order.

I'll respect Trump more if he takes the decision to maintain law and order when mayors and govs. do not want to maintain law and order.=GOAT

Am I reading this wrong?  HE..IS...DOING...SOMETHING....ABOUT THE LAWLESSNESS.  This is what the thread it about.  So YOU DO RESPECT POTUS....FOR DOING THIS?

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Sorry, your argument won't wash.
 For one thing, nobody has done things where I live like they're doing in Portland and Seattle. Things are pretty quite around here. No violence.
If people march down my street (highly unlikely where I live) and threaten me and the wife, I do have guns, and I will shoot people who attack us. And my street has a number of people who will shoot people who attack their families.
Trump has made promises that he will fix things in the violent cities.
If people's civil rights are being violated (and they are), it is a federal matter. That means Trump can step in with force if need be.
If federal forces are being assaulted by thugs (and they are), more force might be necessary. As much force as needed to fix the problem.
People don't have to notify the federal gov. and beg for help when their civil rights are being violated by the elected officials of their state. It is up to the fed. gov. to protect their rights.
That means Trump and the AG.



SORRY.  Your thinking is not correct.  STATES RIGHTS.  Of course you want things resolved as you want, but POTUS is following the constitution...

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First off, These people voted for the leadership they have.
This is their duly elected government. 
THEY CHOSE THIS, maybe not exactly this, but the type of leadership they have. 
They can choose to remove that leadership.
THat is not Trump's job.

Keeping the peace in the streets of those jurisdictions falls on the elected leadership of those jurisdictions.
The key word, was the UNINVITED presence of federal troops (not federal LEOs, who have been sent in, who have jurisdiction over Federal offenses).

But to go in and arrest everyone from the mayors to the Governors and the protesters for conspiring to deprive people of their civil rights would only play directly into the hands of a much larger international organization which has unleashed mayhem upon the world.

Sure, there is a part of most of us which would cheer at the video of concrete filled JDAMs taking out "revolutionary headquarters", but  that fantasy would play in the global media like Bashar Assad sending an artillery strike into a stash of insurgent chemical weapons--all you'd see is the faces of poor dead children used as human shields and the glamor shots of the dead 'revolutionaries' "peaceful protesters" that would make Trump look like Pol Pot or Baby Doc, murdering innocents to keep power.

The Dems would trot out pictures of Trump with a Hitler Moustache (may already have them printed up) and will ride that horse right into the White House.

So, I really don't think that is such a good idea.
Even the snatch and grab operations against "protesters" caught damaging Federal Property are being decried as "gestapo" operations.

(Now, of course Communist organizations with their origins in the streets of Wiemar Germany would see their opposition as "NAZIs", but keep in mind that the MSM would be spewing the Trump dictator thingy continuously.
I don't watch teevee news (Can't get OAN), but many, far too many use that, twitter, and fecebook as their news sources.

It's a guaranteed loss. Sometimes, it is better to let the boil fill with pus before lancing it, that way the offending splinter comes out with it.  He can always ramp up Federal involvement, but going in too heavy handed will be a losing gambit. Seeing that requires use of more than the limbic brain. This is a long game, the culmination of nearly a century of Communist effort. Short of slaughter n the streets, it will take some finesse to untangle.

BINGO!    :thumbsup:

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NY Times reporters did not have training in reporting news objectively.

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If what I strongly suspect will happen actually happens..... that Trump wins in November in a landslide election.... Trump will then have proof of political support and the political capital to do what needs to be done re: these America-hating anarchists.   After the election will be the time for @ss-kicking them to the curb (or to Gitmo).   And how sweet it will be.


 888high58888  :thumbsup:

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Just 5-20 years?  That 's an outrage by itself.

Will end up being less under First Act.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Link with Portland riot live-streams.  Warning full of foul language and violence. They switch audio between the thumbnailed streams, but each one is labeled with where you can watch it if one interests you and you want to see full screen.


https://youtu.be/Mdv7jrjP8FQ
« Last Edit: July 20, 2020, 06:27:15 am by LilLamb »
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Link with Portland riot live-streams.  Warning full of foul language and violence. They switch audio between the thumbnailed streams, but each one is labeled with where you can watch it if one interests you and you want to see full screen.


https://youtu.be/Mdv7jrjP8FQ

Like the versatility of your link. Thanks


I was watching this live stream and looks like they want to rush the fed building soon. Can't believe I am actually rooting for the feds.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNlN671t0hM
« Last Edit: July 20, 2020, 06:36:58 am by Sighlass »
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I can't afford to "move out".  And I suspect that I am not alone re: that.
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You cannot also afford to remain, am afraid.

You have to decide which is more costly to you.

My point is... a lot of non-leftist folks are "stuck" in these leftist-run areas.   Economically stuck, and moreso now than ever.
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My point is... a lot of non-leftist folks are "stuck" in these leftist-run areas.   Economically stuck, and moreso now than ever.

Its easy to sit back deep in a red state and talk about CW2, but the prospect takes on a different complexion for those of us surrounded by leftists in blue state towns in deep blue states, and for whom running is not an option.

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Its easy to sit back deep in a red state and talk about CW2, but the prospect takes on a different complexion for those of us surrounded by leftists in blue state towns in deep blue states, and for whom running is not an option.

Talking about another civil war due to the actions of the radical left is just the reality we live in now, through no fault of our own.    How was it any different for folks back in the 1860s?  I expect the fighting will be more severe in red state areas than in blue state towns/states.  So what, exactly, is your point?
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Portland moms form human barrier to protect protesters from federal officers



https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/508069-portland-moms-form-human-barrier-to-protect-protesters-from-federal

So their new meme is MFA...."Moms For Anarchy"?   Or is it MOA..."Moms for Overthrow of America"?
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Talking about another civil war due to the actions of the radical left is just the reality we live in now, through no fault of our own.    How was it any different for folks back in the 1860s?  I expect the fighting will be more severe in red state areas than in blue state towns/states.  So what, exactly, is your point?
I wasn't being coy. Just stating my view from an area full of empty brain pan progressives.

Of course its not our fault.

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I wasn't being coy. Just stating my view from an area full of empty brain pan progressives.

Of course its not our fault.
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Lucky for you, you’ve got a choice:
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But make no mistake...it’s coming. They will allow no other course.
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I came across this.

How Bad Are the Portland Riots? On-the-Ground Footage Provides an Insight


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/07/19/watch-on-the-ground-footage-shows-just-how-bad-the-riots-in-portland-really-are-n2572726

there are several video's of the riots in Portland.  I don't think minivan snatching is what they need.  Not even sure how a minivan could approach these rioters because it is masses of people destroying the city.

So now you've gone from, "Trump isn't doing enough!" to "Trump is a tyrant!" and back to "Trump isn't doing enough!" in a matter of 3 or 5 days! Fascinating, :pop41: .
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.