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'They're like war zones': Trump criticizes mayors —Democratic ones — over crime surges
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Yahoo NewsJuly 15, 2020, 1:40 PM


President Trump on Wednesday criticized the leadership of cities he likened to “war zones,” hinting that he may seek to have the federal government intervene to bring down crime rates.

Trump spoke from the Oval Office at an event called to discuss the Justice Department’s efforts to take down the international crime gang MS-13. But he went on to criticize local officials in cities such as Minneapolis and Chicago who, he said, have done a poor job at containing violence in their communities.

“They’re like war zones,” he told reporters. “And if the city isn’t going to straighten it out, if local politicians, all in this case, I don’t say this for political reasons, they’re all Democrats. They’re liberal, left-wing Democrats. And it’s almost like they think this is going to be this way forever, where in Chicago, 68 people were shot and 18 died last week. We’re not gonna put up with that.”

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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

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How many times is he going to say this?  In Minnesota Sharia Law is looking to come in and replace police.  They have already started Sharia patrols.  In Seattle we had autonomous zones.  Those also are the beginning of voids Islam can use to replace law enforcement with Sharia Law.  We have already created law in Washington that allows Islamic banking.  Its the next step.

Trump says these situations are like war zones.  They are.  Lawlessness abounds and Trump talks.  Little children are being shot.  Chaos is in our streets.  When is it time to apply Insurrection Act?  How far will we let this go before Islam takes its place as they have in Dearborn Michigan and parts of Minnesota?

What does the Constitution mean to America?  Are we going to sit back and talk about doing something?
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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How many times is he going to say this?  In Minnesota

Until somebody locates a Republican Mayor allowing Anarchists to run wild.  Still waiting....
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Yahoo is irritated Trump doesn't do what the rat media does when reporting progressive/rat misbehavior - try to pretend 'everybody else is doing it, too'.

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Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution.
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Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution.

Butbutbut!  Trump didn't short circuit that system and send the US Army in to break some heads!  That's it, I can't vote for him now.
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Butbutbut!  Trump didn't short circuit that system and send the US Army in to break some heads!  That's it, I can't vote for him now.

You jest... but the leftist officials are still holding out hope that Trump will act like the dictator they've been accusing him of, and do just that.   It would make for a fine Biden campaign slogan in October.
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You jest... but the leftist officials are still holding out hope that Trump will act like the dictator they've been accusing him of, and do just that.   It would make for a fine Biden campaign slogan in October.

The media ‘pivot’ from Trump the impotent to Trump the fascist will set world records.

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The media ‘pivot’ from Trump the impotent to Trump the fascist will set world records.

They think that if they keep poking the bear that the bear will finally do something they can use against him.   
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What does the Constitution mean to America?  Are we going to sit back and talk about doing something?

Do something about what exactly?  By your own admission, sharia has not been implemented anywhere in the US.  How is the Constitution being violated?
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Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution.
Precisely.

Had Trump stepped to the fore, while many might have praised that for leadership, it would also fall under the penumbra of abuse of power, legally. He has sidestepped that tiger pit, and the blame falls squarely on those who have not only not been doing their jobs, but who have prevented others (police) from doing theirs.

The local and State remedies must be exhausted first.
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Butbutbut!  Trump didn't short circuit that system and send the US Army in to break some heads!  That's it, I can't vote for him now.

Worse still, Trump didn't give Pelosiroo, Schifftyroo, and Nadleroo a valid reason to impeach Trump! GRRRRR!!! Orange Man BAD!!!


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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution.

Yes you are correct.  However, Trump still has the authority under the Insurrection Act to respond. He doesn't need an invitation from the governor of the state to respond as others have suggested. It would seem to me that in NY and Portland that neither the city or state officials are doing their jobs and so the innocents sit and watch their cities be destroyed. If any of those are Independents, why would they vote for Trump? 

So hypothetically, let's say that Biden wins the election -- do you really think that the DEMS are going to continue to let city after city burn and be destroyed or do you think that they're going to ask for some help and the DEMS will be glorified for bringing peace to cities when the GOP (Trump) failed to do so.

Those who support the anarchy going on aren't going to vote for Trump anyways and those who are staunch DEM aren't going to vote for him either.

So far Trump's response is not to respond other than make idle threats for the podium. 
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Worse still, Trump didn't give Pelosiroo, Schifftyroo, and Nadleroo a valid reason to impeach Trump! GRRRRR!!! Orange Man BAD!!!


 :silly:

Reason?   They don need no steenken reason!
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Reason?   They don need no steenken reason!
They have made that apparent by their last fiasco, but given something which has a real charge, round two would not be so summarily dismissed.
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Yes you are correct.  However, Trump still has the authority under the Insurrection Act to respond. He doesn't need an invitation from the governor of the state to respond as others have suggested. It would seem to me that in NY and Portland that neither the city or state officials are doing their jobs and so the innocents sit and watch their cities be destroyed. If any of those are Independents, why would they vote for Trump? 

So hypothetically, let's say that Biden wins the election -- do you really think that the DEMS are going to continue to let city after city burn and be destroyed or do you think that they're going to ask for some help and the DEMS will be glorified for bringing peace to cities when the GOP (Trump) failed to do so.

Those who support the anarchy going on aren't going to vote for Trump anyways and those who are staunch DEM aren't going to vote for him either.

So far Trump's response is not to respond other than make idle threats for the podium.

He is showing restraint, IMO.... much to the RL's chagrin.   They would much rather him go blowing into all those leftist cities with the US military and play Rambo.   He is apparently too smart to fall for that bait.   And I'm convinced that is what all of this anarchy and chaos is intended to do... besides make a sticky situation for Trump.   It's designed to cause him to go Rambo so they can....yes, again (and again)... begin the impeachment process and then have Biden win in November.
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They have made that apparent by their last fiasco, but given something which has a real charge, round two would not be so summarily dismissed.

Only if they can prompt him into making a mega mistake could they impeach again right now.  He's not falling for it (so far).
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He is showing restraint, IMO.... much to the RL's chagrin.   They would much rather him go blowing into all those leftist cities with the US military and play Rambo.   He is apparently too smart to fall for that bait.   And I'm convinced that is what all of this anarchy and chaos is intended to do... besides make a sticky situation for Trump.   It's designed to cause him to go Rambo so they can....yes, again (and again)... begin the impeachment process and then have Biden win in November.

In the same light, without Trump doing anything, the anarchy continues and we know by what has happened at his rally in OK and his speech at Rushmore that there was interference from the BLM/Antifa and other subversive groups.  Since this has been allowed to continue, what is to stop these group from showing up in predominately GOP voting precincts and preventing people from voting or intimidating voters?  That is likely to suppress GOP votes and those who don't want to deal with the anarchy, will mail in their votes which we know will end up in a Biden win.  So, I'm just not seeing how Trump acting to contain these groups using his full LEGAL authority is going to result in a Biden victory; I see just the opposite.
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In the same light, without Trump doing anything, the anarchy continues and we know by what has happened at his rally in OK and his speech at Rushmore that there was interference from the BLM/Antifa and other subversive groups.  Since this has been allowed to continue, what is to stop these group from showing up in predominately GOP voting precincts and preventing people from voting or intimidating voters?  That is likely to suppress GOP votes and those who don't want to deal with the anarchy, will mail in their votes which we know will end up in a Biden win.  So, I'm just not seeing how Trump acting to contain these groups using his full LEGAL authority is going to result in a Biden victory; I see just the opposite.
Us. I have weapons, too. Want to block my polls? Might not be a good idea. The Dems will carry the blue zones anyway (where most of this is prevalent), so it's up to us to keep our polls open, if it comes to that.
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Us. I have weapons, too. Want to block my polls? Might not be a good idea. The Dems will carry the blue zones anyway (where most of this is prevalent), so it's up to us to keep our polls open, if it comes to that.

Nobody had better try to intimidate or block me from voting where I vote.  They won't like the result.
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Precisely.

Had Trump stepped to the fore, while many might have praised that for leadership, it would also fall under the penumbra of abuse of power, legally. He has sidestepped that tiger pit, and the blame falls squarely on those who have not only not been doing their jobs, but who have prevented others (police) from doing theirs.

The local and State remedies must be exhausted first.

He legally has the authorization to use the Insurrection Act.  He needs no invitation from the governors.  Here is a list of presidents who have used the Insurrection Act -- several times, no invitation was received for the governor of the state: (scroll down)  As you will see Grant, Eisenhower and Kennedy acted without the request from the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807

It was changed under "W' and expanded the authority of presidential power:

Section 1076 of the Defense Authorization Act of 2006 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from “Insurrection Act” to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.” The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” The new law expands the list of pretexts to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition” — and such a “condition” is not defined or limited.

https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/martial-law-act-2006/


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That in all cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws, either of the United States, or of any individual state or territory, where it is lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing such insurrection, or of causing the laws to be duly executed, it shall be lawful for him to employ, for the same purposes, such part of the land or naval force of the United States, as shall be judged necessary, having first observed all the pre-requisites of the law in that respect


https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr
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He legally has the authorization to use the Insurrection Act.  He needs no invitation from the governors.  Here is a list of presidents who have used the Insurrection Act -- several times, no invitation was received for the governor of the state: (scroll down)  As you will see Grant, Eisenhower and Kennedy acted without the request from the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807

It was changed under "W' and expanded the authority of presidential power:

Section 1076 of the Defense Authorization Act of 2006 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from “Insurrection Act” to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.” The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” The new law expands the list of pretexts to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition” — and such a “condition” is not defined or limited.

https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/martial-law-act-2006/


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That in all cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws, either of the United States, or of any individual state or territory, where it is lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing such insurrection, or of causing the laws to be duly executed, it shall be lawful for him to employ, for the same purposes, such part of the land or naval force of the United States, as shall be judged necessary, having first observed all the pre-requisites of the law in that respect


https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr

I think this is like the third time Trump has said he would use it but he doesn't.  What is going on certainly is within the scope of what the Insurrection Act is for.  civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.

In my entire life I have never seen protests in so many states and for such a period of time.  Never seen autonomous zones.  Never would have thought that Sharia Law would have a road in to force Americans to abide by their religious laws.  If the president doesn't do something soon to assure that this country is still led by its Founding Documents it surely will become a crap hole country controlled by whoever can takeover while law is absent.

Its unbelievable that people can defend Trump for saying over and over he is going to stop it.  Babies are being gunned down in the streets.  Racism is on the rise, not falling.   Homeowners are having to defend their property with guns.  This isn't the wild west.  This is chaos and a president that is more interested in talking than doing.

And for the people who suggest Trump will be seen as a fascist.  I imagine that they would only think that way because they swing to the left.  They are worried about what the commies will think.  Oh, maybe some of those liberals won't vote for Trump.  And who cares about Conservatives and people who have been Republican all their lives voting for law and order.

Esper should be out.  He is standing in the way of restoring order.  All he can think about is not placing pictures of people for promotion.  Maybe making sure there isn't a Confederate flag or a based named after a Confederate.
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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PeteS wrote:
"Mayors have the first line of responsibility in enforcing the law in their city. The next resort is the county. Third in line is the state. The Feds are the LAST, not the first resort. Because US Constitution."

Your point is well taken, Pete.
But let's consider the problems in Portland right now...
- The mayor won't do anything
- The county (if there is authority there) has done nothing
- The state (governor) has done nothing.
Who does that leave left to "do something" ????

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I think this is like the third time Trump has said he would use it but he doesn't.  What is going on certainly is within the scope of what the Insurrection Act is for.  civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.

In my entire life I have never seen protests in so many states and for such a period of time.  Never seen autonomous zones.  Never would have thought that Sharia Law would have a road in to force Americans to abide by their religious laws.  If the president doesn't do something soon to assure that this country is still led by its Founding Documents it surely will become a crap hole country controlled by whoever can takeover while law is absent.

Its unbelievable that people can defend Trump for saying over and over he is going to stop it.  Babies are being gunned down in the streets.  Racism is on the rise, not falling.   Homeowners are having to defend their property with guns.  This isn't the wild west.  This is chaos and a president that is more interested in talking than doing.

And for the people who suggest Trump will be seen as a fascist.  I imagine that they would only think that way because they swing to the left.  They are worried about what the commies will think.  Oh, maybe some of those liberals won't vote for Trump.  And who cares about Conservatives and people who have been Republican all their lives voting for law and order.

@Chosen Daughter, no worries ( *****rollingeyes*****) he has yet made another promise .... (I believe this to be his 4th time)

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,408466.msg2250459/topicseen.html#msg2250459
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He legally has the authorization to use the Insurrection Act.  He needs no invitation from the governors.  Here is a list of presidents who have used the Insurrection Act -- several times, no invitation was received for the governor of the state: (scroll down)  As you will see Grant, Eisenhower and Kennedy acted without the request from the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807

It was changed under "W' and expanded the authority of presidential power:

Section 1076 of the Defense Authorization Act of 2006 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from “Insurrection Act” to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.” The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” The new law expands the list of pretexts to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition” — and such a “condition” is not defined or limited.

https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/martial-law-act-2006/


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That in all cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws, either of the United States, or of any individual state or territory, where it is lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing such insurrection, or of causing the laws to be duly executed, it shall be lawful for him to employ, for the same purposes, such part of the land or naval force of the United States, as shall be judged necessary, having first observed all the pre-requisites of the law in that respect


https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr
Yep, all that is true. Legally, he can do what the law says.

Note I said "Penumbra": that shadow cast wide in the minds of those who will likely never hear of the law in the course of any media discussion of the legal limits of power, only the howling butthurt of those it is used against.

The problem here is that in order to do so, he would also have to round up the trolls in the media who have captivated idiot audiences for years now spewing Marxism and Trump hate, and if he missed even one, they'd be screaming to their global Marxist brothers for the UN to come in here in all its Communist glory and subdue the rogue POTUS. The gambit here is to force him to react in such a way that the force used can be used against him. These are people who are recalling one of their own because tear gas (chemical weapon) was used against them. What would they do in the media and courts if they were marched at bayonet point into detention or subjected to live fire, and how would that be spun in the global media?

Law doesn't matter.

Facts don't matter (they make up their own).

All that matters is the way the media spin sh*t, and they are, quite frankly, out of control.

However, there is hope. The media are imbalanced, and the faster you spin something with an imbalance, the sooner it disintegrates. 

By forcing the Marxists, fellow travelers, and useful idiots to put the brakes on themselves before they command nothing but ash heaps, he exposes not only the true outcome of this alleged "utopia" the Marxists are pushing for, but forces their own to slow them when they don't want to stop. By forcing them to work against their own, cracks form in their structure, and those fractures in their structure, unity, and rhetoric, weaken their cohesiveness, despite their mutual dedication to "The Revolution".

In due course, the American people are wearying of these idiots and their tantrum, and if and when that patience wears through, the counter tantrum will be brutal.  In the course of this, those whose stock in trade is the effluent of incontinent prevarication take on the smell they deserve. The trick is to prevent transference. If the Mayors, City Councils, Governors, and the like have permitted this, to act Federally at this point is to accept Federal responsibility for the outcome, which ultimately would become a blame fest aimed at POTUS.

Nope. Let the onus lay on the steps of those who have enabled and even perpetrated this folly, and let the people see who crafted this destruction.   
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis