Release of Mary Trump's tell-all book moved up to next week

[sneakypete]

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Fred Sr. was enraged, cursing and raging about his son which led to his alcoholism, followed
by an early death in 1981.


@Absalom

The biggest damn lie ever told! Why the HELL are your repeating it?Are you REALLY so freaking stupid you think someone can "give" someone else alcoholism or any other form of addiction?

If so,please admit it and I will back off.

[Absalom]

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Fred Sr. was enraged, cursing and raging about his son which led to his alcoholism, followed
by an early death in 1981.
@Absalom
The biggest damn lie ever told! Why the HELL are your repeating it?Are you REALLY so freaking stupid you think someone can "give" someone else alcoholism or any other form of addiction?
If so,please admit it and I will back off.

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No cause for your ignorant and vulgar tantrum, even if you're "having another of those days."
My verb was led to, the same verb used in the public record; not "gave" as in transmitted.
No need to back off but you might consider getting a brain transplant.
 

[Hoodat]

Fred Sr. was enraged, cursing and raging about his son which led to his alcoholism, followed
by an early death in 1981.

Drinking alcohol is what led to his alcoholism.

[MOD3]

 

[truth_seeker]

Drinking alcohol is what led to his alcoholism.

Because in my own case, enjoying it too much.

[Hoodat]

Because in my own case, enjoying it too much.

In my case, a perceived necessity to tolerate living.  But I would never blame someone else as the cause for my actions.  Not today, anyway.

[XenaLee]

Drinking alcohol is what led to his alcoholism.

It takes strength of character to withstand life's struggles without giving in to the temptation of an addiction or a crutch such as drugs or alcohol.   Some people have that strength.  Others don't.   Nobody "else" is to blame but that person.   It's just that simple.   And yeah, don't give me that crap that acoholism is passed down or inherited via the genes.   It's BS.  I speak from personal family experience.   But that bit of BS has given the chronically weak a very convenient eternal excuse.

[Hoodat]

It takes strength of character to withstand life's struggles without giving in to the temptation of an addiction or a crutch such as drugs or alcohol.   Some people have that strength.  Others don't.   Nobody "else" is to blame but that person.   It's just that simple.   And yeah, don't give me that crap that acoholism is passed down or inherited via the genes.   It's BS.  I speak from personal family experience.   But that bit of BS has given the chronically weak a very convenient eternal excuse.

Alcoholics and other addicts are the strongest willed people in existence.  No one else would ever go through the lengths they go through.   And yes, it is hereditary in a spiritual sense where the sins of the fathers are passed down to future generations.  Addiction is a spiritual sickness built on dishonesty, close-mindedness, and unwillingness.  And G-d is the only one who can change it.

[truth_seeker]

26 1/2 continuous years of sobriety, the old fashioned AA way. 12 steps and 12 traditions, a lot of meetings and service work.

Zoom meetings are not enough. Sober alcoholics need each other.

Many believe alcoholism is a disease of the mind, the body, and the spirit. (or if you must argue with the word disease, substitute "condition" or "disorder"

As such, many utilize the third step prayer, the serenity prayer, and prayer in general.

Recovery is a gift, to be shared with others.

[Right_in_Virginia]

26 1/2 continuous years of sobriety, the old fashioned AA way. 12 steps and 12 traditions, a lot of meetings and service work.  ...

Recovery is a gift, to be shared with others.

Impressive accomplishment  --- Congratulations @truth_seeker   

[Chosen Daughter]

Alcoholics and other addicts are the strongest willed people in existence.  No one else would ever go through the lengths they go through.   And yes, it is hereditary in a spiritual sense where the sins of the fathers are passed down to future generations.  Addiction is a spiritual sickness built on dishonesty, close-mindedness, and unwillingness.  And G-d is the only one who can change it.

You mean generational sin curse?

[Gefn]

You are an inspiration @truth_seeker

 

[Cyber Liberty]

@truth_seeker

[Idiot]

Unless it’s Benny Hill. For some reason the song he plays is brilliant.

Thanks a lot!  Now that song is running through my head...lol.

[roamer_1]

Thanks a lot!  Now that song is running through my head...lol.

Yeah...  but there's young ladies running around double time in their underpants too, so...

[Gefn]

Thanks a lot!  Now that song is running through my head...lol.

You are in good company. It’s been in my head for days. Stupid song.

[XenaLee]

26 1/2 continuous years of sobriety, the old fashioned AA way. 12 steps and 12 traditions, a lot of meetings and service work.

Zoom meetings are not enough. Sober alcoholics need each other.

Many believe alcoholism is a disease of the mind, the body, and the spirit. (or if you must argue with the word disease, substitute "condition" or "disorder"

As such, many utilize the third step prayer, the serenity prayer, and prayer in general.

Recovery is a gift, to be shared with others.

Congratulations on your sobriety.  It shows your strength of character... and I'm betting you got some help from God, as well.

And no, I don't believe alcoholism is a "disease" any more than I believe that drug addiction is a disease.   To me, a disease is something that you catch or contract, often times through no fault of your own.   Drinking to excess (or taking drugs) is something that you choose to do.   You have to make a choice to drink excessively or not to.  And again, I have had two alcoholics in my family, including one ex-husband..... neither of which died from drinking, but from other causes not related to their alcoholism.   

My grandfather started drinking when he lost everything in the stock market '29 crash.  He chose to start drinking.  Nobody forced him to.   I guess it could have been worse.  Many committed suicide back then.   But just as it was back then, many people are now losing everything or have lost everything due to this stupid virus.   And I'm betting that many are using this disaster as an excuse to drink to excess.  As tempting as it may be....many remain strong, however.  Strong enough to face life and all its trials.... head on.

[Hoodat]

You mean generational sin curse?

I wouldn't use the word "curse".

See Numbers 14:18

[Hoodat]

As such, many utilize the third step prayer, the serenity prayer, and prayer in general.

Sixth and seventh step prayers are also key.

[Stevensr123]

Sixth and seventh step prayers are also key.

do you have xxx with your wife? or pleasure yourself?

Drugs and alcohol have the same effects to the brain. They release chemicals that stimulate a person.

People get addicted to that stimulate.

Try not having xxx with the wife for a few years and see how you get on.

Infact give up sugar, coffee etc and see how that effects you, coffee is basically the definition of a drug.

People who are obese are addicted to food, are they godless as well?

Do you support trump? He is obese, and clearly addicted to food, is he godless?if so I am assuming you are not voting for this godless person.

[XenaLee]

do you have xxx with your wife? or pleasure yourself?

Drugs and alcohol have the same effects to the brain. They release chemicals that stimulate a person.

People get addicted to that stimulate.

Try not having xxx with the wife for a few years and see how you get on.

Infact give up sugar, coffee etc and see how that effects you, coffee is basically the definition of a drug.

People who are obese are addicted to food, are they godless as well?

Do you support trump? He is obese, and clearly addicted to food, is he godless?if so I am assuming you are not voting for this godless person.

Lol.... what the hell are you ranting about?   Did someone touch a (personal) nerve there?

[catfish1957]

Lol.... what the hell are you ranting about?   Did someone touch a (personal) nerve there?

No kidding...   That was bizzare. 

[Stevensr123]

Lol.... what the hell are you ranting about?   Did someone touch a (personal) nerve there?

pretty much, my uncle died as an alcoholic. He went to church every Sunday.

He had personal circumstance, including going to war that effected his mind and he got ptsd. He used alcohol to run away but got addicted sadly. That wasn’t a choice, it was circumstance.

I dont like someone saying he is godless or is a bad person. He died a few years ago.

Thanks.

[XenaLee]

pretty much, my uncle died as an alcoholic. He went to church every Sunday.

He had personal circumstance, including going to war that effected his mind and he got ptsd. He used alcohol to run away but got addicted sadly. That wasn’t a choice, it was circumstance.

I dont like someone saying he is godless or is a bad person. He died a few years ago.

Thanks.

Did your uncle die from alcoholism... or "with" it?  Reason I ask is that I don't know anyone that is or was an alcoholic that has died from it.

I don't have the expertise to address PTSD, and being a military brat, I don't even want to go there.  I know my dad was traumatized by war... since he refused to talk about it.   But it didn't seem to have effected him mentally or emotionally.   And he didn't drink.

No, strictly talking about the choice to drink to excess here.  Let me explain.  I have two close friends that would classify as alcoholics.   When they start drinking, they have no "trigger" that tells them they've had too much.   As a result, they get ....literally... falling down drunk.   But neither of them have had any traumatic emotional issues in their lives to "justify" that choice.... if it could be justified.

And....the reason I take issue with that "inherited" theory is... my grandfather was an alcoholic.  He had four kids... my mother, her younger brother.... and an older brother and sister.   Both the older brother and sister drank to excess (ie alcoholics)... but my mother and her younger brother were not.  In fact, my uncle never touched a drop.  If it really was "inherited"... why didn't it effect all four of them?   

That's why I consider drinking to excess (as a lifestyle) a choice.   Family, friends, ex-husband... all CHOSE to do that.   There was no trauma that caused them to.  And as for the trauma of the stock market crash re: my grandfather... had he been a stronger person, he would have been able to handle that without resorting to alcohol. 

[sneakypete]

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No cause for your ignorant and vulgar tantrum, even if you're "having another of those days."
My verb was led to, the same verb used in the public record; not "gave" as in transmitted.
No need to back off but you might consider getting a brain transplant.

@Absalom

With ALL possible due respect,ESAD.