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US Has an 'Anti-Science Bias' Problem, Says Fauci
« on: June 29, 2020, 03:19:41 PM »
US Has an 'Anti-Science Bias' Problem, Says Fauci

https://www.sciencealert.com/fauci-is-worried-about-anti-science-bias-in-the-us-as-stay-at-home-orders-are-thwarted

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Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top US infectious-disease expert, has expressed concern over what he called an "anti-science bias" in the country.

"One of the problems we face in the United States is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are - for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable - they just don't believe science and they don't believe authority," Fauci said on a US Department of Health and Human Services' podcast, Learning Curve.

Bleeping BS! The "scientists" we're supposed to trust give out contradictory proclamations on a weekly basis! The "scientists" we're supposed to trust at the CDC made the moronic decision to only permit the use of the CDC-design coronavirus, and then made a college-undergrad-grade error in setting up and running the production line! This twin F-Up caused a month-long delay in test availability in the US! The "scientists" we're supposed to trust at WHO parroted China's no human-human transmission lie to the world for 3 bleeping weeks!! Even though people at WHO were convinced China was lying!

The "scientists" we're supposed to trust have a highly unmerited Messiah complex, and the general public know it! It's not a distrust of "science", it's distrust of the stumblebums who call themselves "scientists". Get off your high hobby horse, Dr Fauci, and get yourself and your fellow "scientists" to the job of fixing your stumblebummery!
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Re: US Has an 'Anti-Science Bias' Problem, Says Fauci
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2020, 03:41:53 PM »
I love science. It's scientific frauds I abhor, Doc.
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Re: US Has an 'Anti-Science Bias' Problem, Says Fauci
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2020, 03:45:29 PM »
I don't believe there are too many people who don't believe in science.
But they tend to distrust authoritarian figures who change their minds about what to do about a deadly virus every other day.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2020, 04:07:06 PM »
Anti-science, like insisting mandatory wearing of paper masks, which have up to 25% leakage and pores as large as garage doors, relatively speaking, to protect ones self or others from a virus as small as 50 nanometers in diameter?

Idiots.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2020, 04:15:47 PM »
I've been explaining to a Gen-you-ine Scientist friend how devastating it is to to Science that the CDC and Johns Hopkins are mixing the Serology test results (antibodies) with the Pathology test results (infections).  This is more than a crime against the Proles, it's a crime against science.

She and I had worked closely together for 20 years before we both retired.  She did not want to work anymore when her best Lab Rat (me) quit?   :laugh:
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2020, 04:17:44 PM »
I've been explaining to a Gen-you-ine Scientist friend how devastating it is to to Science that the CDC and Johns Hopkins are mixing the Serology test results (antibodies) with the Pathology test results (infections).  This is more than a crime against the Proles, it's a crime against science.

She and I had worked closely together for 20 years before we both retired.  She did not want to work anymore when her best Lab Rat (me) quit?   :laugh:

Unbelievable. I would love a source on this.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2020, 04:20:24 PM »
My missus buys every online health product claiming it’s backed by scientific research. I have a hell of a time trying to convince her of the scam and that they’re just using science to take her money. Once she actually paid $19 dollars for a quart of salt water.

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2020, 04:41:37 PM »
Unbelievable. I would love a source on this.

Don't care to link to a Bookface conversation.  :shrug: Just two people out of 350 Million.

ETA:  Oh!  A link to the debasement of the science!  OK:  https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
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We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2020, 04:54:05 PM »
All the agencies dealing with this have shown to be pretty clueless, from local, state, federal governments, and their various alphabet soup agencies, and let's not for get the W.H.O.

The virus was like giving and algebra test to a 6th grader. No one knew the answers. When thy had some information, other authority  came along and said the opposite was true.
Sometimes, it was the same governing body that changed their story.

Also, after they admitted the fudged the climate change data, why wouldn't we be skeptical?

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2020, 05:01:37 PM »
What me anti-science?

My grandmother was a college biology professor. My mother earned a degree in chemistry.

My me neice is a (newly minted) doctor. My SIL is a specialized RN*. My father was a general building contractor--a lot of physics, math, engineering, technology involved.

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2020, 05:12:50 PM »
Just because a "doctor" makes a statement does not make it science..

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2020, 07:06:06 PM »
Don't care to link to a Bookface conversation.  :shrug: Just two people out of 350 Million.

ETA:  Oh!  A link to the debasement of the science!  OK:  https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
Thanks @Cyber Liberty. This article draws a different conclusion than I would - it says adding the antibody test  lowers the ratio of positive tests to tests conducted, understating the problem.

But the news is broadcasting the corona figures as whole numbers, not a ratio. Wouldn't counting those with antibodies as positives drive UP the count, fueling the media hype?

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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2020, 07:16:02 PM »
US Has an 'Anti-Science Bias' Problem, Says Fauci

After two decades of cramming that global warming BS down our throats, what do you expect?  The chickens have come home to roost.  And leftists continue to substitute emotions in place of science.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2020, 07:54:17 PM »
Thanks @Cyber Liberty. This article draws a different conclusion than I would - it says adding the antibody test  lowers the ratio of positive tests to tests conducted, understating the problem.

But the news is broadcasting the corona figures as whole numbers, not a ratio. Wouldn't counting those with antibodies as positives drive UP the count, fueling the media hype?

Well....It's The Atlantic, so.... But other sources in the lamestream media are starting to pick it up.  It'll be gone by tomorrow. 
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2020, 12:54:26 AM »
Thanks @Cyber Liberty. This article draws a different conclusion than I would - it says adding the antibody test  lowers the ratio of positive tests to tests conducted, understating the problem.

But the news is broadcasting the corona figures as whole numbers, not a ratio. Wouldn't counting those with antibodies as positives drive UP the count, fueling the media hype?
If newly tested people who have antibodies but are asymptomatic are counted as "new cases" sure it will make the numbers go up. It'll look like a spike, when, in effect, these people are already recovered and may be without any active virus.
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2020, 02:37:35 AM »
Someone needs to stuff a sock in this SOB's mouth.

Anti-Science?  In the past 100 years, we have invented more of our share of technological advances in the world.

He knows nothing about this country.  OTOH, he is a mouthpiece of the left who has done their damnest to destroy our country's competitiveness.  He and his left wing buddies have sold our tech souls to the Chicoms.   

If we are beoming anti-science it is yours and your side's fault.
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2020, 02:42:57 AM »
Just because a "doctor" makes a statement does not make it science..

I turned down a "phD" degree program offer about 40 years ago, because the IMO the dipshit "Dr.'s" in academia were lazy, and had the common sense of 10 year olds.  (no offense to any Briefers here in that category....  I know there were exceptions , but......)
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2020, 06:22:19 AM »
Someone needs to stuff a sock in this SOB's mouth.

Anti-Science?  In the past 100 years, we have invented more of our share of technological advances in the world.

He knows nothing about this country.  OTOH, he is a mouthpiece of the left who has done their damnest to destroy our country's competitiveness.  He and his left wing buddies have sold our tech souls to the Chicoms.   

If we are beoming anti-science it is yours and your side's fault.
I'm not anti-science, heck, I am a scientist.
What I object to is the rapid dissemination of sciencish sounding nonsense complete with graphs and charts generated with deeply flawed computer models and massaged data--none of which are available for inspection or the replication and verification of conclusions--for the purpose of imposing someone's utopian worldview on the rest of the world.
It's fraud.
What's more it denigrates the honest and earnest scientific efforts of generations.
No scientist will say we know it all, in fact the proper response is that the more we learn the less we know.
Every gain in knowledge leads to more questions.
But that which we do know should be able to be broken down and explained to people who don't have an advanced degree.
To have some politician with a science degree stand behind a podium and abandon or bend the truth for political gain, even to generate panic in the general population is despicable.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2020, 09:35:09 AM »
If newly tested people who have antibodies but are asymptomatic are counted as "new cases" sure it will make the numbers go up. It'll look like a spike, when, in effect, these people are already recovered and may be without any active virus.

The actual affect of this is exactly the opposite of what The Atlantic asserts - decisions to (re)shut down are being made based upon inflated real numbers.

Beyond devious.

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2020, 10:04:05 AM »
I turned down a "phD" degree program offer about 40 years ago, because the IMO the dipshit "Dr.'s" in academia were lazy, and had the common sense of 10 year olds.  (no offense to any Briefers here in that category....  I know there were exceptions , but......)

I've worked for a few ""Dr.'s"" and the only one I had any respect for was the MIT one.  So yeah, I totally agree with you.  No common sense ..despite that impressive degree.   
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2020, 10:05:29 AM »
Someone needs to stuff a sock in this SOB's mouth.

Anti-Science?  In the past 100 years, we have invented more of our share of technological advances in the world.

He knows nothing about this country.  OTOH, he is a mouthpiece of the left who has done their damnest to destroy our country's competitiveness.  He and his left wing buddies have sold our tech souls to the Chicoms.   

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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2020, 10:16:11 AM »
I've worked for a few ""Dr.'s"" and the only one I had any respect for was the MIT one.  So yeah, I totally agree with you.  No common sense ..despite that impressive degree.

One of my favorite Microbiology professors summed it up one day.  A student asked him why he didn't like anyone calling him "Dr." in being addressed.  His repsonse was classic.  He stated that 30 years ago in a bar, he told another patron who he was, and had to endure 3 hours straight of the person asking about his ailments, though he tried to explain he wasn't a MD.  Secondly, he let out a rant, that those who revel in being called "Dr." in academia are self indulgent in their self importance.  Half of them couldn't hold down a regular job in the real world.
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2020, 10:16:35 AM »
Anti-Science?  Let review....
The scientists have known about the virus for 10 years...
We have known about the corono virus being lose for 6 months now... what has science told us?

1.  How contagious is the Corona virus?  Waiting....
2.  How is the corona virus transmitted from human to human? waiting.....
3.  What is the incubation period for the virus?  More waiting...

4.  How long and when is a person with the virus contagious?  still waiting....

5. How many and what are the effective treatments for the virus?  waiting again....
6.  How fatal is the virus?
7.  How long does the virus remain viable on surfaces?

So tell me again why we are anti-science....
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2020, 10:20:28 AM »
Anti-Science?  Let review....
The scientists have known about the virus for 10 years...
We have known about the corono virus being lose for 6 months now... what has science told us?

1.  How contagious is the Corona virus?  Waiting....
2.  How is the corona virus transmitted from human to human? waiting.....
3.  What is the incubation period for the virus?  More waiting...

4.  How long and when is a person with the virus contagious?  still waiting....

5. How many and what are the effective treatments for the virus?  waiting again....
6.  How fatal is the virus?
So tell me again why we are anti-science....

Actually 1-6 are answered with pretty good regularity.  It's just the damned answers change by the hour.  WHO and CDC has / have failed miserably in this pandemic. 
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2020, 10:34:59 AM »
Actually 1-6 are answered with pretty good regularity.  It's just the damned answers change by the hour.  WHO and CDC has / have failed miserably in this pandemic.

It doesn't matter to those who find something to bash Trump for on a daily basis.  I only wonder if we've already heard enough from a troll.
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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