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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2020, 06:44:47 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on June 23, 2020, 04:40:01 pm

People Who want to blame someone should look in the damn mirror.

Baloney!!!  I have been screaming about the national debt and uncontrolled federal spending basically my entire adult life.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2020, 06:49:09 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on June 23, 2020, 06:44:47 pm
Baloney!!!  I have been screaming about the national debt and uncontrolled federal spending basically my entire adult life.

DITTO... And now it is exponentially worse... in a 2/3 Republican government.  *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2020, 06:52:10 pm »
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DITTO... And now it is exponentially worse... in a 2/3 Republican government.  *****rollingeyes*****

Um.... which wouldn't be the case.... IF (big "if") certain folks on the right (supposedly) had voted GOP in 2018 ....

instead of sitting home whining, moaning and bitching about the GOP....lol.    :tongue2:

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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2020, 06:53:59 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on June 23, 2020, 06:44:47 pm
Baloney!!!  I have been screaming about the national debt and uncontrolled federal spending basically my entire adult life.

 Can you imagine the outrage here if the Democrats with a Democrat president was spending like this?

Yes I understand that Trump is not the only one to blame. But I have never seen a president so eager to sign whatever Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer put in front of him
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2020, 06:55:42 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on June 23, 2020, 02:18:24 pm
Why not just lift all these nonsensical lockdowns and let the economy repair itself?
That's up to the individual states governors ...........no?

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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2020, 06:56:51 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on June 23, 2020, 06:52:10 pm
Um.... which wouldn't be the case.... IF (big "if") certain folks on the right (supposedly) had voted GOP in 2018 ....

instead of sitting home whining, moaning and bitching about the GOP....lol.    :tongue2:

Makes no damn difference either way... Republicans have had all three houses and never stopped spending. So don't give me that. :tongue2: :pop41:
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2020, 06:59:27 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on June 23, 2020, 06:53:59 pm
Can you imagine the outrage here if the Democrats with a Democrat president was spending like this?

Yes I understand that Trump is not the only one to blame. But I have never seen a president so eager to sign whatever Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer put in front of him

I've given ever POTUS hell since Ford about deficit spending.  I am an equal opportunity hater of the complict bastards who made this country drown in red ink,
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2020, 07:02:03 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on June 23, 2020, 06:52:10 pm
Um.... which wouldn't be the case.... IF (big "if") certain folks on the right (supposedly) had voted GOP in 2018 ....

instead of sitting home whining, moaning and bitching about the GOP....lol.    :tongue2:
I voted GOP down ticket as if it made a difference, anyway.

I earned my RIGHT to whine and bitch and gripe.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2020, 07:42:05 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2020, 07:02:03 pm
I voted GOP down ticket as if it made a difference, anyway.

I earned my RIGHT to whine and bitch and gripe.

Yes, you did.   But those that didn't vote GOP ....and thus helped the left take over the House (Hi, Nancy, Hello Impeachment)....

have no bitch coming about the results of their complacency.   At least... IMO.     :laugh:
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2020, 07:47:31 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on June 23, 2020, 07:42:05 pm
Yes, you did.   But those that didn't vote GOP ....and thus helped the left take over the House (Hi, Nancy, Hello Impeachment)....

have no bitch coming about the results of their complacency.   At least... IMO.     :laugh:

Your opinion fails the reality test.
The GOP ain't no damn better.

And if I pay a single damn tax, my right to bitch about it remains.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2020, 12:27:13 am »
Trump, GOP clash over new round of checks

Senate Republicans and President Trump are facing off over a new round of COVID-19 stimulus checks, with GOP senators warning Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Tuesday to mind the mounting federal deficit.

Trump views the $1,200 “economic impact payment” checks that featured his name prominently as a political and economic winner. Many GOP senators, on the other hand, think a second round would be a huge waste of money.

Sen. Pat Toomey (Pa.) was one of several Republican senators who warned Mnuchin about the rising red ink at a Tuesday lunch. The deficit is projected to hit $3.7 trillion in 2020, according to the Congressional Budget Office.


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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2020, 12:54:09 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on June 23, 2020, 06:44:47 pm
Baloney!!!  I have been screaming about the national debt and uncontrolled federal spending basically my entire adult life.
Why is any serious budget cutting considered political suicide? Why has any president who has tried to fight congressional overspending lost that fight? Because the voters want the spending. There is no political will to cut spending because voters want it.

You may not want to hear that, I may not like it either... but it’s the truth.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2020, 01:05:19 am »
Quote from: skeeter on June 24, 2020, 12:54:09 am
Why is any serious budget cutting considered political suicide? Why has any president who has tried to fight congressional overspending lost that fight? Because the voters want the spending. There is no political will to cut spending because voters want it.

You may not want to hear that, I may not like it either... but it’s the truth.

The only reason the voters want more spending is because they are ignorant of the pitfalls and the eventual collapse that has to happen.  They haven't been taught what will happen unless spending is reigned in.  That truth is too painful and "inconvenient".

I think if the GOP bothered to 'edicate' folks about that, things might be different.   Why don't they even try to do that?   Because they are gutless and just go along to get along.   And because most of them like the spending and want it, too.  Conservatism is a dead issue in America now.  And I don't think it's ever coming back in style.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2020, 01:25:01 am »
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The only reason the voters want more spending is because they are ignorant of the pitfalls and the eventual collapse that has to happen.  They haven't been taught what will happen unless spending is reigned in.  That truth is too painful and "inconvenient".

I think if the GOP bothered to 'edicate' folks about that, things might be different.   Why don't they even try to do that?   Because they are gutless and just go along to get along.   And because most of them like the spending and want it, too.  Conservatism is a dead issue in America now.  And I don't think it's ever coming back in style.
they don’t educate voters because gov spending is a handy way to buy votes and it would take courage to suggest reducing spending. And I do not think reigning in spending was ever in style, outside of lip service. At least not since the New Deal.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2020, 01:27:11 am »
Quote from: skeeter on June 24, 2020, 01:25:01 am
they don’t educate voters because gov spending is a handy way to buy votes and it would take courage. And I do not think reigning in spending was ever in style, outside of lip service. At least not since the New Deal.
No, the trick has been ever to inflate out of the last round of nutso spending, so it gets paid back in 'money' that is worth less.

Which is why instead of $100/week to support a family of four, it takes closer to $1000/week now.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2020, 01:29:23 am »
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No, the trick has been ever to inflate out of the last round of nutso spending, so it gets paid back in 'money' that is worth less.

Which is why instead of $100/week to support a family of four, it takes closer to $1000/week now.
Outside of the virus related spending, how much of every annual increase is mandated by ‘law’?
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2020, 01:39:23 am »
Quote from: skeeter on June 24, 2020, 01:29:23 am
Outside of the virus related spending, how much of every annual increase is mandated by ‘law’?
I couldn't tell you. I do know that in the Fedgov, your importance is based on the size of your department, not necessarily what you do. If the Dept grows, you become more important. Budgets will increase as long as that is the metric.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2020, 01:44:06 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 24, 2020, 01:39:23 am
I couldn't tell you. I do know that in the Fedgov, your importance is based on the size of your department, not necessarily what you do. If the Dept grows, you become more important. Budgets will increase as long as that is the metric.
I’ve seen pie charts in the past which reflected all annual spending including that which is mandated, automatic and although I cannot remember the specifics I do recall being amazed at how little discretionary spending there is as a percentage of overall spending.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2020, 02:01:33 am »
Quote from: LMAO on June 23, 2020, 06:53:59 pm
Can you imagine the outrage here if the Democrats with a Democrat president was spending like this?

Yes I understand that Trump is not the only one to blame. But I have never seen a president so eager to sign whatever Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer put in front of him

Both parties want the same things -- not just the spending.  It's just that the Democrats are more honest about it.
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2020, 02:44:54 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on June 23, 2020, 03:21:53 pm
There are a few of us left who understand the basics of finance, and know that a government of drunken sailors with a limitless credit card won't stop spending until the grim reaper of reality sticks out his boney hand.

Deficits are bogus?  Let's revisit that when the dollar finally collapses after the debt payment exceeds the ability the expend money to maintain entitlements and other government expenditures.  I know i am preparing for every scenario.  But make no mistake.....   This house of cards is going to collapse at some point, and it is going to make the 1930's seem like a vacation.

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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2020, 02:50:18 am »
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Both parties want the same things -- not just the spending.  It's just that the Democrats are more honest about it.

Trump and the Republicans that go along are ruining this country.  Of course the Dems want to spend too.  Its all about the same thing.  Buying votes.  How much can you give so that people will vote for you.  And Trump has taken advantage of the Democrats attending his rallies.  Democrats and people who never voted before.   Pretty telling.  The Democrats expect goodies.  People who don't vote?  I can only imagine what the draw is.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/over-18-000-democrats-have-attended-trump-rallies-this-year
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2020, 02:53:21 am »
The Dollar to become ... The new penny ... YA-a-a-a! :patriot:
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Re: Trump: ‘We Will Be Doing Another Stimulus Package’
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2020, 03:00:15 am »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on June 24, 2020, 02:44:54 am
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