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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #100 on: June 20, 2020, 10:36:22 pm »
How can we reverse the deep seat resentment that has simmered 56 years since Malcolm X first expressed it, and erupted again after George Floyd’s killing?

“No I’m not an American. I’m one of 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I’m not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag saluter or flat waiver—no, not I. I am speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim(s). I don’t see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.”

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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #101 on: June 20, 2020, 10:47:44 pm »
Malcolm X was no friend of America!  He seems "moderate" because the Democrats have gone out-and-out communist.  He hated white people.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #102 on: June 20, 2020, 10:56:58 pm »
How can we reverse the deep seat resentment that has simmered 56 years since Malcolm X first expressed it, and erupted again after George Floyd’s killing?

Are the rest of us actually accountable to reverse that resentment?  I don't feel any accountability to do so, any more than I feel accountability for anyone else's attitudes and emotions other than my own.

I don't know that we can reverse it.  There was certainly good reason for that resentment for many years, but those years have passed.  If people insist on keeping that resentment alive today, six generations after abolition and two generations after Jim Crow; half a century after the Civil Rights Act of 1964; and into the era where *everyone immediately* joined in universal condemnation of George Floyd's murder, then the resentment is perhaps not susceptible to rational appeal.  At some point people must be accountable not only for their decisions and actions, but for their attitudes as well.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #103 on: June 21, 2020, 12:12:20 am »
Malcolm X was no friend of America!  He seems "moderate" because the Democrats have gone out-and-out communist.  He hated white people.
The Malcolm X of 1964 was a much different man that the one who was killed a few years later,  and the NOI didn't like his change, and had him killed for it.

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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #104 on: June 21, 2020, 12:16:27 am »
The behavior of the members of this forum illustrate why our side is losing, and will continue to lose.

You've gone from "what the devil is juneteenth"? (a next-to-nothing day in history) to arguing that perhaps, just perhaps, it should be a national holiday.

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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #105 on: June 21, 2020, 02:37:26 am »
Are the rest of us actually accountable to reverse that resentment?  I don't feel any accountability to do so, any more than I feel accountability for anyone else's attitudes and emotions other than my own.

I don't know that we can reverse it.  There was certainly good reason for that resentment for many years, but those years have passed.  If people insist on keeping that resentment alive today, six generations after abolition and two generations after Jim Crow; half a century after the Civil Rights Act of 1964; and into the era where *everyone immediately* joined in universal condemnation of George Floyd's murder, then the resentment is perhaps not susceptible to rational appeal.  At some point people must be accountable not only for their decisions and actions, but for their attitudes as well.
I am in agreement. First off, the attitude is not mine to reverse. I am not the one holding it despite being one who has, through payment of taxes, funded the social programs that allegedly benefit their recipients.
That I see those programs as having not benefited those who are on the receiving end nearly as much as instill an attitude that they are owed because they are poor, because of someone else who had nothing to do with the decisions they made themselves, nor the cultural inertia that reinforces those decisions while actively working against any who would thrive, is considered heretical, even as more of the same is called for to allegedly right wrongs claimed long before my birth.
I did no wrong to anyone. I have no guilt, nor will I. Therefore I have nothing to apologize for, and none to apologize to.

Would a holiday be enough? I doubt it. It wasn't enough when MLK died. When people are spitting on sandwiches and poisoning drinks of people they don't know, I am not sure what peaceful prescription would cure such a pathology.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #106 on: June 21, 2020, 02:55:46 am »
You know the answer:  The winners write the history.  BTW, the histories you like to post were all written by the winners (whether you know it or not).  It goes without saying that had the South won the war, Lee and Jefferson Davis would be heroes.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #107 on: June 21, 2020, 03:00:13 am »
I may be in a minority of opinion here, so be it.
I don't have a problem with this.
I actually think this is long overdue.

July 4th, 1776, we declared or independence, to make our country free.

June 19th, 1865, celebrated as the made all of our citizens free, living up to the promise:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

I took us 89 years to get there, but we got there.

Feel free to fire at will.

I AM A MINORITY HERE!

I think that the pandering to the minority in all things should end!

We have MLK day and a Whole Month dedicated to the so-called Black History!
(Regardless of how phony the 'facts' of that history are!)

All this does is further divide an already divided nation!
(Especially when all of the other history is being torn down, defaced, burned ...)
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #108 on: June 21, 2020, 03:01:22 am »
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That winners dictate to history is largely true, yet what eternally resonates in
every comment you make, is the compulsive anger and petulance of someone
who has the rag on 24/7/365!!!!!

 :silly:

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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #109 on: June 21, 2020, 03:26:18 am »
But that balkanization is the desired effect of all this divisiveness. It serves the greater Socialist (Communist) goal of a Global Socialist Government by stripping the remnants of the strength we formerly had in working together to defeat outside enemies. Unless we can get back to being Americans first, this Nation's future will resemble the future of a great industrial empire torn to scraps by feuding heirs to the benefit of none of them.

I would love to see that happen, but I don't think it will happen. The youth are indoctrinated with leftist ideology and then radicalized in college. In the past once the young got into the work force the radicalism drifted away, but now the corporate world bends to their indoctrinated beliefs. The courts are no help and politicians are worthless. I don't see this trend changing. Right now they are a minority that the media tries to convince us is a majority.

I know I'm not going to live in an America that is run by the likes of AOC and I think there are a lot of other Americans of the same mind.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #110 on: June 21, 2020, 03:29:48 am »
How can we reverse the deep seat resentment that has simmered 56 years since Malcolm X first expressed it, and erupted again after George Floyd’s killing?

“No I’m not an American. I’m one of 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I’m not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag saluter or flat waiver—no, not I. I am speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim(s). I don’t see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.”

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We can't. Only they can do it. If they want to enjoy the fruits of the American Dream they have to be their own agents of change. I'm just not optimistic it will happen.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #111 on: June 21, 2020, 04:15:48 am »
I AM A MINORITY HERE!

I think that the pandering to the minority in all things should end!

We have MLK day and a Whole Month dedicated to the so-called Black History!
(Regardless of how phony the 'facts' of that history are!)

All this does is further divide an already divided nation!
(Especially when all of the other history is being torn down, defaced, burned ...)

Amen the pandering is sickening. 
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #112 on: June 21, 2020, 01:39:34 pm »
I AM A MINORITY HERE!

I think that the pandering to the minority in all things should end!

We have MLK day and a Whole Month dedicated to the so-called Black History!
(Regardless of how phony the 'facts' of that history are!)

All this does is further divide an already divided nation!
(Especially when all of the other history is being torn down, defaced, burned ...)

 :yowsa:  pointing-up

And BTW @mrclose I happen to not believe you are in the minority here.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #113 on: June 21, 2020, 05:12:25 pm »
:yowsa:  pointing-up

And BTW @mrclose I happen to not believe you are in the minority here.

@Bigun   @mrclose

Mrclose,I am in agreement with Bigun on this. Regardless of your ethnic background,religion,educational level,or any other "social factor",if the majority of people here don't consider you to be a "brother",I am posting on the wrong board.

Being a brother means shared beliefs and goals for both yourself,and your neighbors,regardless of how far away they may live. Has nothing to do with the accident of birth.

We are all Americans!

Well,maybe not all the Dim voters,but you get what I am saying.


This is one of the prime things that makes us different from the left,who consider themselves to be "Citizens of the World/Rulers of the Universe". We want to get along with and share and help our foreign neighbors,not rule over them as dictators.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #116 on: June 22, 2020, 02:29:14 pm »
Notice how @GrouchoTex didn't say what year....  :pondering:

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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #117 on: June 22, 2020, 02:37:39 pm »
@HoustonSam

I know it's nitpicking,but it wasn't. It was just when some people finally recognized slavery had been made illegal.

Granted,there is a valid train of thought that states if YOU don't know about something it never happened as far as you are concerned,but still......

@sneakypete
This is a true statement.
The Emancipation Proclamation only allowed for freedom of slaves in the Confederate held territories where the Union Army had occupied those places.
It didn't actually account for those places already in the Union at that point.
Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Washington D.C. needed the 13th amendment to make that 100% outright illegal in those states.

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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #118 on: June 22, 2020, 02:42:23 pm »
@sneakypete
This is a true statement.
The Emancipation Proclamation only allowed for freedom of slaves in the Confederate held territories where the Union Army had occupied those places.
It didn't actually account for those places already in the Union at that point.
Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Washington D.C. needed the 13th amendment to make that 100% outright illegal in those states.


@GrouchoTex

I would be willing to bet THOSE little factoids are not taught in our public schools,and most likely,not even in the private schools.

Sometimes history can just be so damn inconvenient,can't it? It shines a searchlight on the lie that the war was about slavery.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #119 on: June 22, 2020, 02:50:31 pm »
@GrouchoTex

I would be willing to bet THOSE little factoids are not taught in our public schools,and most likely,not even in the private schools.

Sometimes history can just be so damn inconvenient,can't it? It shines a searchlight on the lie that the war was about slavery.


I believe that we both of us would like the history that is being taught to be true and accurate.

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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #120 on: June 22, 2020, 03:00:21 pm »

I believe that we both of us would like the history that is being taught to be true and accurate.

@GrouchoTex

Yes,but the people with an agenda wouldn't like it.
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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #121 on: June 22, 2020, 03:19:24 pm »
@GrouchoTex

Yes,but the people with an agenda wouldn't like it.

No, No they would not!

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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #122 on: June 22, 2020, 06:50:47 pm »
Trade it for MLK Day. It'll balance things out a little more.
Nah, trade it for Chavez's. I'm surprised that the Hispanics haven't already acted up as they got pushed to the back of the bus with all of this.

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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #123 on: June 22, 2020, 07:04:18 pm »
Nah, trade it for Chavez's. I'm surprised that the Hispanics haven't already acted up as they got pushed to the back of the bus with all of this.

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The Dims don't have the control over them like the do with the blacks. No "Rev-Runds" in control of the mamas,who would then slap the children into line.

Yeah,there are His or Her Panic political leaders,but almost all are elected officials who have to answer to the voters. Whole different people,whole different social setup.

Also,a LOT of the brown people I have met were Republicans,and didn't mind saying it. This has been true for a long time.

I am GUESSING,with absolutely no scientific research at all to back me up,is that the reason for this is the blacks mostly came here as slaves,so it is only natural they would tend to accept the modern system of slavery (welfare,AA,public housing,etc,etc,etc) as the natural order of things,and the people whose ancestors came here from south of our borders historically came here to work hard,improve their station in life,and to become solid citizens. To them,we were truly "the land of opportunity",and that is what they were looking for.

I have met many,many children of 2nd generation Americans from south of the border who were adults and who couldn't speak Spanish because it was forbidden in their houses when they were growing up.  Their parents wanted their children to grow up to be successful Americans,not Mexican laborers. More that one has told me this.

And yet we have black Americans whose families have been living here for several generations who can barely speak English. One day these people are going to wake up and figure out what their "leaders" have done to them,and there will be a terrible price paid for that betrayal.


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Re: GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
« Reply #124 on: June 23, 2020, 01:00:25 am »
The question was asked:
"How can we reverse the deep seat resentment that has simmered 56 years since Malcolm X first expressed it, and erupted again after George Floyd’s killing?"

Simple answer:
We can't.

No matter what whites do, it's always going to be there.
The more we appease, the more their demands will increase.
How many more decades must pass before Euro-Americans grasp this?

This is a divide -- ok, might as well say it, a racial divide -- that cannot be bridged, will NEVER be bridged.

For decades we have hoped for a solution which cannot occur.
Which is why we must now... look for some other kind of resolution.