Senate panel votes to require Pentagon to rename bases named after Confederates

[dancer]

Trump refuses renaming bases.  In a series of tweets, Trump argued the bases have become part of U.S. history and should not be "tampered with."

"These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, and a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom," he tweeted, adding that "HEROES" who won two world wars were trained on the "Hallowed Grounds" of the bases.

Again, Alexander Solzhenitsyn warned about this type incident. 

[FeelNoPain]

     I was born at Womack Hospital on Fort Bragg. Reared in the South. I can think of 62,871 things that people--especially black people--need to concern ourselves with more than confederate names of army bases. That being said, you'd have to be oblivious to cultural shift, tea leaves, and the current reality if you think GOP politicians are going to go to the mattresses over this issue.
Who the hell wants to be framed as defenders of the Confederacy right now? (besides Trump, who I genuinely believe is a tad touched)

     â€œAnd the message is that if we're going to have bases throughout the United States, I think it should be with the names of individuals who fought for our country." Mike Rounds (R-S.D.)

      Maybe, I'm wrong. Y'all tell me. How would you combat this sentiment? Leaving slavery out of it for the time being, when it is framed as "honoring traitors who killed Americans"--and I know the WBTS is far, far more nuanced than that--but expecting the overwhelming majority of the American people to take the time to discern nuance is a foolish endeavor. The messaging war in this case is a lopsided blowout among the electorate.

[FeelNoPain]

Voice vote with no reporters in the room to report who voted for it,and who voted against it,huh?

Good to see our Senators have the courage of their convictions,isn't it?

You watch and wait until they rename "Fort Brag" to "Fort Martin Luther King",and see what happens.

Fort McCain has a more sonorous ring to it. I'm sure Trump would approve of honoring such a distinguished military family.

[catfish1957]

     I was born at Womack Hospital on Fort Bragg. Reared in the South. I can think of 62,871 things that people--especially black people--need to concern ourselves with more than confederate names of army bases. That being said, you'd have to be oblivious to cultural shift, tea leaves, and the current reality if you think GOP politicians are going to go to the mattresses over this issue.
Who the hell wants to be framed as defenders of the Confederacy right now? (besides Trump, who I genuinely believe is a tad touched)

     â€œAnd the message is that if we're going to have bases throughout the United States, I think it should be with the names of individuals who fought for our country." Mike Rounds (R-S.D.)

      Maybe, I'm wrong. Y'all tell me. How would you combat this sentiment? Leaving slavery out of it for the time being, when it is framed as "honoring traitors who killed Americans"--and I know the WBTS is far, far more nuanced than that--but expecting the overwhelming majority of the American people to take the time to discern nuance is a foolish endeavor. The messaging war in this case is a lopsided blowout among the electorate.

There is no combating this sentiment.  I warned of this 15-20 years ago, and now  it's now a runaway train.  Many forget that some of these so called traitors were heros in the Mexican American War 1845-1848.  There was a time in the very later part of the 19th and early 20th century of where there was much healing between north and south.  There were WBTS reunions where soldiers from north and south  would meet and greet each other in harmony.    Much of the extreme hard feelings of the rebellion and on the other side of Sherman's march faded as unity among American's grew through two world wars and a depression.  And part of that healing was establishing monuments to remember that we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

What the loony left doesn't realize that there many of us who had Confederate Soldier ancestors who did not own slaves.  They fought with valor and bravery, not to defend the institution of slavery.  (They cared less about it), but instead were defending their homeland against a foreign invader.   The SJW confederate hating pukes don't care about this behavior or whether they are committing cultural genocide.  Their intent is to take this country over the cliff in a left driven disaster.  And btw, do you think it is going to end here?  Here are some CNN analyst suggesting both Washington and Jefferson Memorials be torn down. too.......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8413185/CNN-analyst-calls-remove-George-Washington-Thomas-Jefferson-statues-owned-slaves.html

And again, there is nothing we can do.  The SJW pukes have brainwashed much of the country into a "white-guilt" frenzy.  Myself?  I'll have to be taken out in a body bag before I surrender and capitualte to these bastards.

[aligncare]

It’s our shared history. We were French, Dutch, Spanish, British colonists. We had African slaves. We were Northerners and Southerners with cultural differences. We fought a bloody Civil War.

You can’t erase history—but you can learn from it. We shouldn’t lie to the future or tell ourselves fairytales about the past. Keep our European and Native American names. You know who tries to erase history? The Taliban.

Don’t give in to the mobs who would tear down statues and art, speech and thought and if left unopposed, would tear down civilization itself. Stand up and tell the truth. Don’t give in to the violent, ignorant, medieval mobs.

[Hoodat]

     I was born at Womack Hospital on Fort Bragg. Reared in the South. I can think of 62,871 things that people--especially black people--need to concern ourselves with more than confederate names of army bases.

Braxton Bragg should be commended for helping the North win the war.

[FeelNoPain]

It’s our shared history. We were French, Dutch, Spanish, British colonists. We had African slaves. We were Northerners and Southerners with cultural differences. We fought a bloody Civil War.

You can’t erase history—but you can learn from it. We shouldn’t lie to the future or tell ourselves fairytales about the past. Keep our European and Native American names. You know who tries to erase history? The Taliban.

Don’t give in to the mobs who would tear down statues and art, speech and thought and if left unopposed, would tear down civilization itself. Stand up and tell the truth. Don’t give in to the violent, ignorant, medieval mobs.

Honoring and Remembering are not one and the same.

Again, I couldn't care less. My birth certificate states "Fort Bragg"--never bothered me. However, I can't make a credible argument to those who ask why a country should bestow such honor on those who turned against and slew soldiers of said country. One can even argue that it is disrespectful to those whose Union ancestors died at the hand of these men. Same as one side feels disrespected, the other can, too.

If the South had been victorious, I wouldn't expect bases to be named after William Sherman or John Brown.

[aligncare]

Ingraham: The losing strategy of killing history


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[catfish1957]

Honoring and Remembering are not one and the same.

Again, I couldn't care less. My birth certificate states "Fort Bragg"--never bothered me. However, I can't make a credible argument to those who ask why a country should bestow such honor on those who turned against and slew soldiers of said country. One can even argue that it is disrespectful to those whose Union ancestors died at the hand of these men. Same as one side feels disrespected, the other can, too.

If the South had been victorious, I wouldn't expect bases to be named after William Sherman or John Brown.

You really need to learn American History from that era.  The South's intent was never to win (conquer) the North.  Only for its own independence. Basically, a stalemate that would have forced the north to not think the fight was worth it.   Secondly, with a few exceptions like Bragg, these bases were named after these Generals based on military prowess, and location area preferences....  How many bases in the North are named after Confederate Generals?  It was based on those factors.... not whether they were considered rebels or traitiors.

I'll put it to you this way....  And if you bothered to read my last post.  Washington and Jefferson are now considered traitors to the American collective, based on some thoughts in the mainstream now.  Do you feel that way?     It's all a matter of prespective.

[FeelNoPain]

You really need to learn American History from that era.  The South's intent was never to win (conquer) the North.  Only for its own independence. Basically, a stalemate that would have forced the north to not think the fight was worth it.   Secondly, with a few exceptions like Bragg, these bases were named after these Generals based on military prowess, and location area preferences....  How many bases in the North are named after Confederate Generals?  It was based on those factors.... not whether they were considered rebels or traitiors.

I'll put it to you this way....  And if you bothered to read my last post.  Washington and Jefferson are now considered traitors to the American collective, based on some thoughts in the mainstream now.  Do you feel that way?     It's all a matter of prespective.

I read all your posts --you're one of the posters here I always read.
Doesn't matter what conciliatory gestures were made at the time, the argument NOW is framed as them being traitorous. The reason the argument is being framed that way is because the Left is clever enough to know that they can't frame the Confederate generals as unworthy because they were supporters of slavery/white supremacy without then having to deal with the founding fathers such as Jefferson, Washington et al being the same.

We know that is next on their To-Do list.

And I know that the South just wanted to be left alone. Of course, the 4,000,000 slaves didn't get a say in that matter.

[EdinVA]

You really need to learn American History from that era.  The South's intent was never to win (conquer) the North.  Only for its own independence. Basically, a stalemate that would have forced the north to not think the fight was worth it.   Secondly, with a few exceptions like Bragg, these bases were named after these Generals based on military prowess, and location area preferences....  How many bases in the North are named after Confederate Generals?  It was based on those factors.... not whether they were considered rebels or traitiors.

I'll put it to you this way....  And if you bothered to read my last post.  Washington and Jefferson are now considered traitors to the American collective, based on some thoughts in the mainstream now.  Do you feel that way?     It's all a matter of prespective.

I can see it now.... Ft. Castro

[catfish1957]

And I know that the South just wanted to be left alone. Of course, the 4,000,000 slaves didn't get a say in that matter.

I agree, and I have said many many times of my abhoration of the institution of slavery.  But if you read a lot experts on post alternative histories, many state the advent of agricultual technologies, plus changes in mores and other sociological areas of acceptance would have forced the end of slavery by the 1890's.  Not saying this was the desired outcome, but the left's meme that confederacy would have perpetuated slavery, and now any thought or mention of that mistake should be erased?   Revisionist garbage.

I guess the biggest irony of it all, is the push toward elimination of all our heritage and spiraling toward socialist state is supposed to improve society.  Slavery is now prohibited, but will be reinstated once a socialist state is established.  Look at the countries that existed in the past 100 years that were socialist.  The people are slaves to their government.  The MSM brainwashing of the majority of our country will have lasting ramifications.

[aligncare]

Okay, let’s just go ahead and concede to revisionists’ demands. After all, the largest hate group in America, the democrats—the founders of the Klu Klux Klan, the perpetrators of lynchings and segregation and racial hate—are eating their own. Topple the Jefferson Davis statue, go ahead.

Let them feast.

[Bigun]

Honoring and Remembering are not one and the same.

Again, I couldn't care less. My birth certificate states "Fort Bragg"--never bothered me. However, I can't make a credible argument to those who ask why a country should bestow such honor on those who turned against and slew soldiers of said country. One can even argue that it is disrespectful to those whose Union ancestors died at the hand of these men. Same as one side feels disrespected, the other can, too.

If the South had been victorious, I wouldn't expect bases to be named after William Sherman or John Brown.

@FeelNoPain

You are correct in that honoring and remembering is not the same but the South never did what you said at all. They never fired a shot until their country was invaded by the North and many are honored for defending their country.

[Bigun]

Okay, let’s just go ahead and concede to revisionists’ demands. After all, the largest hate group in America, the democrats—the founders of the Klu Klux Klan, the perpetrators of lynchings and segregation and racial hate—are eating their own. Topple the Jefferson Davis statue, go ahead.

Let them feast.

NO! Let's not!

[sneakypete]

Alexander Solzhenitsyn warned about this type incident.  The Deep State is trying to destroy history just like the Soviets did.  Tearing down statues is part of it.  Equivalent to book burning.

@dancer 

[sneakypete]

Fort McCain has a more sonorous ring to it. I'm sure Trump would approve of honoring such a distinguished military family.

@FeelNoPain

Of the two,MLK Jr was the lesser traitor. He was a traitor from Day 1,and was upfront about it. A borderline retard that was a Communist at heart is a better man that a career military man that turns traitor for special privleges,wealth,and power.

At least King was a true believer who may have thought he was doing the right thing for the nation as well as himself.

McLunatic was NEVER anything more than a self-centered selfish bastard.

[sneakypete]

>> However, I can't make a credible argument to those who ask why a country should bestow such honor on those who turned against and slew soldiers of said country.<<

@FeelNoPain

Then you are either ignorant of history,or just not trying.  WHO broke the contract that was the agreement that joined the original 13 colonies and united them into becoming "The United States of America"?

WHO INVADED WHO using military force of arms,and seized property and imprisoned citizens who were not even under their dominion?

>> One can even argue that it is disrespectful to those whose Union ancestors died at the hand of these men. <<

I don't give a rabid rats ass about the ones that volunteered to invade,rape,plunder,and pillage their innocent neighboring state. Bleep them AND the AH that ordered them in.

>>Same as one side feels disrespected, the other can, too.<<

Ask me if I care.

>>If the South had been victorious, I wouldn't expect bases to be named after William Sherman or John Brown.<<

WHY would any bases be named after a mass murderer and a racist?

I'm thinking you need to read up on history,unless the books that were still telling the truths have already been removed from the libraries and burned,that is.

[aligncare]

@FeelNoPain

Of the two,MLK Jr was the lesser traitor. He was a traitor from Day 1,and was upfront about it. A borderline retard that was a Communist at heart is a better man that a career military man that turns traitor for special privleges,wealth,and power.

At least King was a true believer who may have thought he was doing the right thing for the nation as well as himself.

McLunatic was NEVER anything more than a self-centered selfish bastard.

Come on, sneaky, don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel. 

[EdinVA]

With all the state, county and city names where will all of this stop?

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_and_territory_name_etymologies_of_the_United_States

[dfwgator]

With all the state, county and city names where will all of this stop?

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_and_territory_name_etymologies_of_the_United_States

It will stop with a new US Flag, one that better reflects our diverse population, and a new name for our Nation's Capital.

[mrclose]

I think that list is Fake news.

Sources: Hawley was lone Senator to vote no on renaming bases that honor Confederate generals
"I just don't think that Congress mandating that these be renamed and attempting to erase that part of our history is a way that you deal with that history"

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/rename-confederate-military-bases-senate-vote-hawley/63-370d14e9-3657-42aa-ae0e-a5e260301f51

Did you bother reading my post?

Here, I'll repeat myself!

(To be fair: A voice vote indicates that the amendment passed without objection, but doesn't tell us if any nay votes were voiced!

To me, no objections means ..I'm Okay With It!)

[sneakypete]

With all the state, county and city names where will all of this stop?

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_and_territory_name_etymologies_of_the_United_States

@EdinVA

When the name of the nations capital is changed to "Kunta Kintee,DC".

[Hoodat]

If the South had been victorious, I wouldn't expect bases to be named after William Sherman or John Brown.

Why not?  Even if the South had won, the North would have been free to name their bases after whomever they please, just as they were able to after winning.  If you don't like the names that Union Democrat Presidents chose, then maybe your issue is with the political party - not the country.