George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained p

[libertybele]

No surprise really.  One of the reports is inaccurate ... which one?

George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure

Attorneys for George Floyd's family released the results of an independent autopsy report Monday showing that Floyd's death was caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain.

The family's attorney, Ben Crump, announced the autopsy results during an afternoon news conference. Crump said the autopsy found the compression cut off blood to Floyd's brain, and weight on his back made it hard to breathe.

The family's autopsy differed from the official autopsy as described in a criminal complaint against the officer accused of killing Floyd. That autopsy included the effects of being restrained, along with underlying health issues and potential intoxicants in Floyd's system, but also found nothing "to support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-george-floyd-independent-autopsy-expected-today

[libertybele]

So ... now we have two different results and it appears that the first results were trying to cover for the cop.  These results are consistent with what we all witnessed on film.

[Hoodat]

So ... now we have two different results and it appears that the first results were trying to cover for the cop.

The first results were the ones given to us by Democrat city officials.  Democrats own this.

[skeeter]

So ... now we have two different results and it appears that the first results were trying to cover for the cop.  These results are consistent with what we all witnessed on film.

How do we know which results are correct? The city coroner will cover for the cop and the family's coroner will find results pleasing to whomever hired him.

There's got to be a way to get a completely impartial autopsy. Its too important not to.

[libertybele]

How do we know which results are correct? The city coroner will cover for the cop and the family's coroner will find results pleasing to whomever hired him.

There's got to be a way to get a completely impartial autopsy. Its too important not to.

I absolutely agree.  I am not at all surprised by the results of this autopsy and also believe that another autopsy needs to be done; however if that autopsy agrees with the first, then will the family then hire another??  This has the potential to go on and on unfortunately. 

Just a thought though -- the family's independent autopsy that was done IS consistent to what is on film. That's pretty hard to deny.  Sure he may have had heart issues and he may have been under the influence of some type of drug; but the trauma added to those elements didn't help and this autopsy finds that is what killed him. 

Which autopsy is more believable?  I'd say the 2nd independent autopsy.  Just my opinion.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Are there any doctors in Briefer City?  According to the timeline from BBC on May 30... from statements taken from witnesses ..

At 20:27, Mr Chauvin removed his knee from Mr Floyd's neck. Motionless, Mr Floyd was rolled on to a gurney and taken to the Hennepin County Medical Center in an ambulance.

He was pronounced dead around an hour later.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52861726 

Two questions for the docs ... is it possible to die from asphyxia an hour later?  And can an EMT pronounce a time of death or is that a physician's responsibility, only?

Thanks.

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

How do we know which results are correct? The city coroner will cover for the cop and the family's coroner will find results pleasing to whomever hired him.

There's got to be a way to get a completely impartial autopsy. Its too important not to.

Agree.  How about two out-of-state coroners together. 

Maybe there'll be a toxicology report by then, too.

[libertybele]

Are there any doctors in Briefer City?  According to the timeline from BBC on May 30... from statements taken from witnesses ..


Two questions for the docs ... is it possible to die from asphyxia an hour later?  And can an EMT pronounce a time of death or is that a physician's responsibility, only?

Thanks.

Not a doctor, but witnesses say that he was motionless before he was put in the ambulance...it is possible that the EMT delayed pronouncing him dead in order to help the cop.

When my mother-in-law passed away, the EMT arrived and pronounced/documented time of death.

Forensic Analysis of Injury and Death by Asphyxiation

https://www.tasanet.com/Knowledge-Center/Articles/ArtMID/477/ArticleID/338920/Forensic-Analysis-of-Injury-and-Death-by-Asphyxiation

[skeeter]

Agree.  How about two out-of-state coroners together. 

Maybe there'll be a toxicology report by then, too.

How long does it take to do a toxicology report?

Meanwhile cities burn.

[roamer_1]

How do we know which results are correct? The city coroner will cover for the cop and the family's coroner will find results pleasing to whomever hired him.

There's got to be a way to get a completely impartial autopsy. Its too important not to.

No, the city coroner's report must stand up at trial. He cannot cover up something like that... Maybe a little around the edges, but not something this grave. Especially with the feds involved, and the likelihood of a change in venue.

[roamer_1]

Just a thought though -- the family's independent autopsy that was done IS consistent to what is on film. That's pretty hard to deny.  Sure he may have had heart issues and he may have been under the influence of some type of drug; but the trauma added to those elements didn't help and this autopsy finds that is what killed him. 

Which autopsy is more believable?  I'd say the 2nd independent autopsy.  Just my opinion.

No it is NOT hard to deny. There was no weight on that knee. The guy could lift his head.\
And outside of the initial swarm movement, there was no weight on his back. The lion's share of the time, there was but one of them on him.

Now the swarm movement is in question? Give me a break!

[mortarman]

Well considering that the same slimy bambulance chaser who represented the families of the so-called "Gentle Giant" an' Sock Monkey's son is representing this family. I'm sure that sleaze-ball Bennie Crump has a whole Rolodex full of hack experts he can call upon to give any report he wants.

[mountaineer]

The family's autopsy differed from the official autopsy as described in a criminal complaint against the officer accused of killing Floyd.

That wasn't the official autopsy, it only was preliminary findings.

[Applewood]

Just saw a "Breaking News" in my news feed -- no link yet --the medical examiner has declared a homicide.

[aligncare]

Just saw a "Breaking News" in my news feed -- no link yet --the medical examiner has declared a homicide.

What would we do without this medical examiner?

Of course it’s a homicide. A person was killed. That’s what a homicide is. Now tell us what autopsy findings lead you to conclude was the cause of the death of that individual.

The legal system is then responsible for determining culpability or non culpability for that cause of death based on your findings and on the evidence on scene and on the facts surrounding the death.

[mrclose]

Take a look at the reason he is dead.
Heart attack.

Also notice the drugs in his system?

Of course, there is no way they were ever going to not charge the cop.

[240B]

A Blind Study:

Two bodies
A coroner who doesn't know who either guy is
One corpse homicide by asphyxia
The other any other similar cause of death

Or, the reverse
Two bodies (same)
Two coroners who do not know who either guy is.

Or any possible variation on this. And see what happens.
Like neither corpse is a homicide at all.
Main point being they do not know who they are doing the autopsy on.
This Floyd guy is famous at this point, you could send the body to Timbuktu and they would declare without a single doubt, 100% certain that it was a homicide. It would literally be dangerous for them and their family to rule any other way.

[Hoodat]

Heart attack is a method of first degree homicide?

[240B]

Heart attack is a method of first degree homicide?

Plus the cop injected him with heart disease, fentanyl, and methamphetamine before he asphyxiated him.

[roamer_1]

Plus the cop injected him with heart disease, fentanyl, and methamphetamine before he asphyxiated him.

That bastard.

[Hoodat]

Fentanyl and methamphetamine?  At least he knows the proper way to mix his illegal drugs.

[skeeter]

Take a look at the reason he is dead.
Heart attack.

Also notice the drugs in his system?

Of course, there is no way they were ever going to not charge the cop.

Time of death 9:25PM.

Apparently it took quite some time for him to choke to death.