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The President Has the Constitutional Power to Restore Order. He Must Act.
| National Review
 Andrew C. McCarthy

What has happened over the last few nights in major cities of the United States is unacceptable. It has gotten worse because of federal and state passivity.

Law enforcement is a vital response to any riotous uprising. Indeed, I believe the failure to enforce the laws without apology from the start of the upheaval last week has fueled its ferocity. It would be naïve to claim that much of the violence, which is being incited and coordinated by radical groups, might not have happened anyway — these groups are always on a hair-trigger, pouncing on any opportunity to make mayhem. But how badly things get out of control has a lot to do with the resolve of state and federal law enforcement. The laws do not enforce themselves.

Progressive dogma notwithstanding, rioting spearheaded by radicals and anarchists does not exhaust itself if governments just give them time and space to get their yah-yahs out. Passivity, conveying the message that the laws will not be enforced, is provocative. It increases the appetite for rioting, which is only sated once the sociopaths have run out of things to burn and loot.

That said, law enforcement on its own is inadequate to restore order once order has been lost. Police and prosecutorial offices simply do not have the resources to quell widespread seditionist violence. Consequently, other provisions of law must be considered.

Under Article IV of the Constitution, the United States guarantees every state a republican form of government, protection against invasion, and — on request of the state government — protection from domestic violence. In furtherance of this provision, Congress enacted legislation, most notably, the Insurrection Act of 1807, which empowers the president “to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” Obviously, suppressing such attacks requires deploying the United States armed forces as needed.

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Invoking the Insurrection Act will create the largest imbroglio we've seen to date.
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Cyber wrote:
"Invoking the Insurrection Act will create the largest imbroglio we've seen to date..."

I sense you're right.
But...
NOT invoking it will result in much worse consequences -- the loss of the country and the overthrow of the government.

Do what must be done and be prepared to "go all the way" to win.

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Invoking the Insurrection Act will create the largest imbroglio we've seen to date.


He's not a politician.  He'll use the power to restore order/safety.  And he'll have to do it quickly.

In the end...this is going to have the same effect on the American People/voter that 1968 SDS (Students for a Democrat Society) group did in their clash with Chicago Police during the Democratic Convention.

The end result was 22 years straight without a Democrat President.  Who wouldn't want to see that again?  LOL!


President Trump needs our prayers right now.    :0001:

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I didn't say I'd be against it...just expect a world-class shitstorm when it happens.   :2popcorn:
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He's not a politician.  He'll use the power to restore order/safety.  And he'll have to do it quickly.

In the end...this is going to have the same effect on the American People/voter that 1968 SDS (Students for a Democrat Society) group did in their clash with Chicago Police during the Democratic Convention.

The end result was 22 years straight without a Democrat President.  Who wouldn't want to see that again?  LOL!


President Trump needs our prayers right now.    :0001:

Well, there was that brief Vacation from History that was the Carter years....
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Invoking the Insurrection Act will create the largest imbroglio we've seen to date.

Unfortunately, that's a real possibility; Illinois is already pushing back.  If other states follow that will become a real problem for Trump.  It's already being reported on CNN that states must request assistance with the military and Trump just can't send the military in.  Not true -- but that is what is being reported, that is what a good deal of the populace is going to believe and if states continue to contradict his orders, it's going to be a cluster for Trump and in essence it will make him look incompetent and ineffective.  Can the governors order the State National Guard to go against the U.S. military??? 

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Pritzker on what he'll do if Trump mobilizes the military in Illinois: "Well, it's illegal. He can't do it. We won't request military assistance here in the state of Illinois. I can't imagine why any governor is going to do that. This is, it's ridiculous."

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Never heard of him.   :bolt:
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Invoking the Insurrection Act will create the largest imbroglio we've seen to date.

I believe I read here earlier, he was supposed to clear that irst, with CNN.

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bele wonders:
"Can the governors order the State National Guard to go against the U.S. military???"

I don't think any National Guardsman with a lick of sense in 'im is going to try that.

Who do they take their oaths to when they enlisted in the service? Which one is "highest" in the chain of command?

This is not a door that the state governors better open. They are NOT gonna like what they find inside...

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It's already being reported on CNN that states must request assistance with the military and Trump just can't send the military in.

Can the governors order the State National Guard to go against the U.S. military??? 

Let's hope Kayleigh is ready to hang Orval Faubus and "State's Rights" around their necks.  Force the media and the left to argue that states can nullify Federal orders which are supported by both the Constitution and Federal legislation, that 14th Amendment Equal Protection requirements can be ignored by Democrats, just like they tried in 1957.  Cram that down their throats until they vomit and then make them eat it again.
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Invoking the Insurrection Act will create the largest imbroglio we've seen to date.

Doesn't matter.  If he feels it necessary to use that to restore order he has to do it.
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Doesn't matter.  If he feels it necessary to use that to restore order he has to do it.

Yes.  If it must be an imbroglio, let it be a good one.  I am not imbroglio-averse.
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Cyber wrote:
"Invoking the Insurrection Act will create the largest imbroglio we've seen to date..."

I sense you're right.
But...
NOT invoking it will result in much worse consequences -- the loss of the country and the overthrow of the government.

Do what must be done and be prepared to "go all the way" to win.
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I was visiting TOS and they had a thread about Trump using force on the rioters. Most of the TOSers were against him using force. They thought Trump shouldn't do anything and let the Dem govs. look bad.
That's like voting for the leftist Dem candidate in an election hoping he'll do bad things and people will see how bad Dems are.
The first duty of a president is to protect the citizenry.
If the various Dem govs. are unable to protect their citizens, then the prez must step in with all appropriate force if necessary.

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Let's hope that this President realizes the enormity of what he needs to do.  Prayers up for this President.

Meanwhile .... Pence is well hidden, hopefully out of danger, ready to take over if necessary.  A terrible thought, but he's been out of the picture for obvious reasons.

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I was visiting TOS and they had a thread about Trump using force on the rioters. Most of the TOSers were against him using force. They thought Trump shouldn't do anything and let the Dem govs. look bad.
That's like voting for the leftist Dem candidate in an election hoping he'll do bad things and people will see how bad Dems are.
The first duty of a president is to protect the citizenry.
If the various Dem govs. are unable to protect their citizens, then the prez must step in with all appropriate force if necessary.

The DEMS are the root of the problem.  IF this situation isn't under control very soon, there isn't going to be an election period.  An attempt to overthrow this government is happening.

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bele wonders:
"Can the governors order the State National Guard to go against the U.S. military???"

I don't think any National Guardsman with a lick of sense in 'im is going to try that.

Who do they take their oaths to when they enlisted in the service? Which one is "highest" in the chain of command?

This is not a door that the state governors better open. They are NOT gonna like what they find inside...
Seems to me the whole 'states in rebellion' thing has been tried before. And regardless, those states had the Federal presence imposed by force. At the time, New York, Michigan, and Illinois were among the states doing the imposing with the Federal Government. They might not like being on the other end of that.
There is precedent, but it gets messy.
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I was visiting TOS and they had a thread about Trump using force on the rioters. Most of the TOSers were against him using force. They thought Trump shouldn't do anything and let the Dem govs. look bad.
That's like voting for the leftist Dem candidate in an election hoping he'll do bad things and people will see how bad Dems are.
The first duty of a president is to protect the citizenry.
If the various Dem govs. are unable to protect their citizens, then the prez must step in with all appropriate force if necessary.
They have a point. Hold off in those States until the people there demand federal intervention. Otherwise, the whine will be that he made it worse.
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Invoking the Insurrection Act will create the largest imbroglio we've seen to date.

@Cyber Liberty

Yes,and you can be sure he knows this. He is holding off and waiting for enough prominent people DEMAND he do it so that the left can make no claims about him creating a police state,which,ironically enough,is what the left is after.

Once he can be seen to be doing "the will of the people",he is a hero for doing so,not a villain.

Timing is everything.
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They have a point. Hold off in those States until the people there demand federal intervention. Otherwise, the whine will be that he made it worse.
How many innocent people be hurt and destruction of property be allowed before the president acts?
How do private citizens go about demanding fed intervention? What if they are demanding fed intervention, and their state authorities/govs refuse to act?
 You can't allow cities to burn down and innocent people hurt because the proper state authorities refuse to act.
At some point the power of the prez comes into play. That time is now.

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How many innocent people be hurt and destruction of property be allowed before the president acts?
How do private citizens go about demanding fed intervention? What if they are demanding fed intervention, and their state authorities/govs refuse to act?
 You can't allow cities to burn down and innocent people hurt because the proper state authorities refuse to act.
At some point the power of the prez comes into play. That time is now.
There are limitations on what the President can do. Most, in fact, the vast majority of this is on the governments of the individual jurisdictions in which there is no meaningful official resistance mounted, even as the authorities there decry the use of force by home  and business owners to defend their property. Those same officials stand behind microphones mewling flaccid statements of 'getting along' while effectively failing to deter violence.
To those who own(ed) those businesses, homes, cars, etc., the mask has come off. Antifa is being exposed as the communists they are, not just to the people not protesting, but those who are.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1267101707596632066

High time Antifa was exposed, for exactly who and what they are

 
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Doesn't matter.  If he feels it necessary to use that to restore order he has to do it.

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Trump may be waiting for his troops to get in place and ready....

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Let's hope that this President realizes the enormity of what he needs to do.  Prayers up for this President.

Meanwhile .... Pence is well hidden, hopefully out of danger, ready to take over if necessary.  A terrible thought, but he's been out of the picture for obvious reasons.

I agree. He has to step up and soon! I hope he can do this.

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How many innocent people be hurt and destruction of property be allowed before the president acts?


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Presidents are obligated to take action to SAVE THE NATION,not save individuals.

It ain't pretty,but that's the way it has to be.
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