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Asphyxiation not the cause of George Floyd's death: Autopsy
By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Friday, May 29, 2020

George Floyd died Monday from a combination of preexisting health conditions exacerbated by being held down by Minneapolis officers, not from strangulation or asphyxiation, based on the medical examiner’s initial report.

Preliminary findings from a Tuesday autopsy conducted by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner found “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation,” according to the criminal complaint filed Friday against former officer Derek Michael Chauvin.

“Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease,” said the complaint from the Hennepin County Attorney. “The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”

The Minneapolis police officer fired earlier this week was charged Friday with third-degree murder and manslaughter after kneeling on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Video showed he was unresponsive for the last 2 minutes and 53 seconds.

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Re: Asphyxiation not the cause of George Floyd's death: Autopsy
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2020, 01:17:01 am »
Oh boy here we go.

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Re: Asphyxiation not the cause of George Floyd's death: Autopsy
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2020, 01:19:30 am »
The family of George Floyd is bringing in Dr. Michael Baden to do an independent autopsy. I don't blame them.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-george-floyd-family-planning-private-autopsy-20200529-bbsavwmqwzc6zb6dmczf5jdrhy-story.html
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2020, 01:20:47 am »
Oh boy here we go.

You are so right...

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2020, 01:21:09 am »
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2020, 01:26:35 am »
They can say anything they want to. They can bring in any expert they want to.

The dead guy was subdued. When he became unresponsive, at least one of those officers should have had the guts...professionalism...to do a better thing.

But they didn't.

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2020, 01:30:06 am »
Looks like this is a preliminary report and not the final one.  Somehow though this layman can't  imagine that Mr. Floyd's health issues and intoxication were the primary cause of his death.  Contributing factors?   Perhaps.  But if someone is standing or kneeling on a person's neck, seems to me the resulting cutoff of oxygen would be the killer, no matter what that person's health condition or sobriety situation is. 

Well, let's see what the final result will be.  Maybe it will change.  Or maybe Dr. Baden will have better insight.

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2020, 01:33:34 am »
But if someone is standing or kneeling on a person's neck, seems to me the resulting cutoff of oxygen would be the killer, no matter what that person's health condition or sobriety situation is. 

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That simply is not true. I know by experience. Mis-administration of that hold position would break a neck far before airway obstruction became a factor.


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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2020, 01:35:33 am »
@Applewood
That simply is not true. I know by experience. Mis-administration of that hold position would break a neck far before airway obstruction became a factor.

True. From a medical standpoint. That really isn't the issue.
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2020, 01:39:53 am »
@Applewood
That simply is not true. I know by experience. Mis-administration of that hold position would break a neck far before airway obstruction became a factor.

Ok.  As I said, I'm a layman -- what do I know?

But there was a case some years ago in Pittsburgh -- a man died after a policeman stood on his neck.  Story was, the man was gasping for air and saying, "I can't breathe."  I had heard afterwards this method of restraint was going to be outlawed nationwide because it was too dangerous.  Maybe I was wrong and it's still in use in Minnesota.  I don't know -- just seems too dangerous to me.

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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2020, 01:41:04 am »
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2020, 01:53:50 am »
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2020, 01:58:51 am »
Ok.  As I said, I'm a layman -- what do I know?

But there was a case some years ago in Pittsburgh -- a man died after a policeman stood on his neck.  Story was, the man was gasping for air and saying, "I can't breathe."  I had heard afterwards this method of restraint was going to be outlawed nationwide because it was too dangerous.  Maybe I was wrong and it's still in use in Minnesota.  I don't know -- just seems too dangerous to me.

I have twice been subjected, with very much prejudice, and air was never the problem. Primarily, it staples you down... Similar to sitting on the head of a cow or a horse. Secondly it is a pain hold... the cop leans in a bit, and you will wish you were dead. It hurts like a holy terror. Settle down, and the cop lets up, and so long as you don't struggle, everything is fine.

As in this case - Watch closely when the man lifts his head a bit... his neck moves up... he ain't being bolted down hard.

Two cops I know gave me the same observation, and granted, these are cops, so you can suppose where the bias is... Both said it was a textbook swarm to subdue him, with the guy remaining on his head to keep him down.

Evidently the cops called for EMT very early on, so they knew he was having problems... The speculation being that he was probably being kept immobilized to keep him from further harming himself... Fairly typical with crack zombies, as an instance given... That is why he would remain on post until the EMT arrival. Neither one considered the situation to be out of the ordinary, to include the neck hold, with the exception of the failure to render aid.

And I would agree with that... I think the cop has to answer for that failure to render aid.

That jibes with reports that the guy was lit, and fought getting put in the car. The ensuing struggle would leave him exactly as he was, waiting for the bus.

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Re: Asphyxiation not the cause of George Floyd's death: Autopsy
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2020, 02:01:04 am »
The family of George Floyd is bringing in Dr. Michael Baden to do an independent autopsy. I don't blame them.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-george-floyd-family-planning-private-autopsy-20200529-bbsavwmqwzc6zb6dmczf5jdrhy-story.html

I don't either, but even if the first one is correct it is murder.  He said he couldn't breath.
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2020, 02:06:13 am »
True. From a medical standpoint. That really isn't the issue.

I take it you are speaking from experience too...  happy77

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2020, 02:11:25 am »
I don't either, but even if the first one is correct it is murder.  He said he couldn't breath.

If he said it, he was breathing. I think he was experiencing heart failure.

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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2020, 03:10:12 am »
If he said it, he was breathing. I think he was experiencing heart failure.

I take it you are speaking from experience too...  happy77

Right on both, FWIW. My point is that when this man became unresponsive the pressure should have stopped. It didn't. And that is why I cry foul.
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2020, 03:12:42 am »
Right on both, FWIW. My point is that when this man became unresponsive the pressure should have stopped. It didn't. And that is why I cry foul.

Watch him when his head lifts up... His neck comes up a little too... He ain't nailed down.


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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2020, 03:26:18 am »
Watch him when his head lifts up... His neck comes up a little too... He ain't nailed down.

He ain't nailed down. But his body movements aren't in line with any resistance.

On the bystander vid when the paramedics show up and check his pulse. My sound systems can't quite hear it. Or I can't hear it. But it "sounds" like it is a no go.
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2020, 03:32:53 am »
He ain't nailed down. But his body movements aren't in line with any resistance.

On the bystander vid when the paramedics show up and check his pulse. My sound systems can't quite hear it. Or I can't hear it. But it "sounds" like it is a no go.

Yeah, I agree... Failure to render aid. He oughta be called on the carpet for that.

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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2020, 03:48:44 am »
Yeah, I agree... Failure to render aid. He oughta be called on the carpet for that.

There is a deeper part of this. I haven't been to Minneapolis. But countrywide there are LEO's who are saying they won't comply to official mandates. At least in flyover country. Anyone who is following this "pandemic" which is just about everyone knows in one form or fashion things will come to a head.

One of the most under-reported news is the news. Think about it. Type in a few keywords and see who is reporting U.S. news. It isn't the U.S. news media. And the U.S news isn't reporting world news even if it is the SOS.

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2020, 03:58:34 am »
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2020, 08:35:11 pm »
There is a deeper part of this. I haven't been to Minneapolis. But countrywide there are LEO's who are saying they won't comply to official mandates. At least in flyover country. Anyone who is following this "pandemic" which is just about everyone knows in one form or fashion things will come to a head.

One of the most under-reported news is the news. Think about it. Type in a few keywords and see who is reporting U.S. news. It isn't the U.S. news media. And the U.S news isn't reporting world news even if it is the SOS.

Yeah, but in the places that is mainly happening, the Sheriff's got their 6, even if the mayor don't.

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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2020, 08:38:38 pm »
Ever since the OJ trial everyone thinks they are lawyers and that the camera tells them all they need to know.
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2020, 08:45:38 pm »
Ever since the OJ trial everyone thinks they are lawyers and that the camera tells them all they need to know.
How do we put the Justice back into the Judicial System?

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