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I don't think anyone, including me, is arguing the actions of the police officer(s) did not contribute to Floyd's death.  They did---and a legal price should, and will, be paid.

But this doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't ask questions.

For instance, I would like to know if there's additional video we've not seen and what MN officers are trained to do in such situations.  Does training and policy require officers to cease activities and request immediate medical intervention?  Does training and policy include  something along the lines of "if they're talking, they're breathing"?  (If asked to guess,--and it's only a guess--I would say "I can't breathe" would be a fairly common response in arrest situations.)

If these were rogue cops, acting outside training and policy, then throw the full weight of the law and punishment at them.  If they were not, then both should be adjusted accordingly and changes/clarifications in police procedures need to implemented (nationwide).

My two cents.   :shrug:

I have heard LEO's on Fox say that this move to put knee on the neck to pin a suspect down is never taught or allowed.

Well, as an avid watcher of Live PD I have seen this move several times used by police  across the country while trying to cuff the suspect.
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Not that it matters to anyone, but the vast majority of people who have been arrested are from out of state, and many are white.


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Not that it matters to anyone, but the vast majority of people who have been arrested are from out of state, and many are white.


Not that it matters......

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Not that it matters to anyone, but the vast majority of people who have been arrested are from out of state, and many are white.


Not that it matters......
I mentioned that on the "All hell is breaking loose" thread, that the (black) mayor of St. Paul said arrestees were from out of state. Myst also started a thread on what the St. Paul mayor said.
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Re: Minneapolis cop who knelt on man's neck charged with murder
« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2020, 08:21:06 pm »
Who is giving excuses?  I think most everyone thinks this was excessive force.  The only question is whether there were other circumstances that caused his death?  Is getting all the facts in before making total judgement too much?

I don't think it was excessive force.
I am also informed by Chauvin's long service to his oath and accommodations
And the archaic idea that a man is innocent until proven guilty.

I am not so quick to throw the guy to the dogs. Primarily because that is what the media wants me to do.

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Re: Minneapolis cop who knelt on man's neck charged with murder
« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2020, 09:07:56 pm »
I don't think it was excessive force.
I am also informed by Chauvin's long service to his oath and accommodations
And the archaic idea that a man is innocent until proven guilty.

I am not so quick to throw the guy to the dogs. Primarily because that is what the media wants me to do.

And Chauvin will get his trial.

Problem is, Floyd won't, and many believe the cop was already punishing him BEFORE his trial.

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Re: Minneapolis cop who knelt on man's neck charged with murder
« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2020, 09:24:40 pm »
And Chauvin will get his trial.

Problem is, Floyd won't, and many believe the cop was already punishing him BEFORE his trial.

I believe their belief is born of ignorance. There was nothing unusual in that bust except the failure to render aid. And I have that on the authority of two cops, and my own experience.

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Re: Minneapolis cop who knelt on man's neck charged with murder
« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2020, 09:52:47 pm »
I don't think it was excessive force.
I am also informed by Chauvin's long service to his oath and accommodations
And the archaic idea that a man is innocent until proven guilty.

I am not so quick to throw the guy to the dogs. Primarily because that is what the media wants me to do.

Wouldn't a tase been better option.  I have never been arrested, but the thought of someone's knee on my throat doesn't sound appealling or a humane way to apprehend a suspect.    How about you?
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Re: Minneapolis cop who knelt on man's neck charged with murder
« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2020, 10:00:06 pm »
Wouldn't a tase been better option. 

Here's a first-hand account on being tasered.





As to this case, he didn't need to be tasered.  He was already down.  Just put the cuffs on him and toss him in the back of the patrol car.
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Re: Minneapolis cop who knelt on man's neck charged with murder
« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2020, 10:02:25 pm »
Wouldn't a tase been better option.  I have never been arrested, but the thought of someone's knee on my throat doesn't sound appealling or a humane way to apprehend a suspect.    How about you?

Well he was exhibiting health problems, so a taser would not be applied, for fear of heart failure.

The swarm tactic is specifically to use less force. It works well.
The knee on the neck is a standard thing. That happens just about any time there is a takedown to ground. And I have experienced it first hand, twice... It does not cut off your air. It can hurt like hell, but also doesn't have to.

In the LEO bag of tricks, that swarm and pin tactic is not only about as humane as it gets, it is also very effective. So I don't see the problem.

I also find it worth a little snicker that you consider 'humane and appealing' the priority in a takedown. Jussayin.

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And btw... just for sh*ts and giggles... I don't know a single damn person that would rather be tazed than taken down without it.

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And btw... just for sh*ts and giggles... I don't know a single damn person that would rather be tazed than taken down without it.

Correct.  Take it from this guy.  If you have a choice between getting your ass whipped by the police or getting tazed, go ahead and take that ass whoopin'.


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Re: Minneapolis cop who knelt on man's neck charged with murder
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2020, 10:13:01 pm »
As to this case, he didn't need to be tasered.  He was already down.  Just put the cuffs on him and toss him in the back of the patrol car.
He was down. He didn't need a knee on his neck. He wasn't resisting at all.
I still would like to know whether it's true that while he was still standing he complained of not being able to breathe, as the preliminary medical report indicated.
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Correct.  Take it from this guy.  If you have a choice between getting your ass whipped by the police or getting tazed, go ahead and take that ass whoopin'.

That's the fact, Jack. Don't taze me bro.
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Re: Minneapolis cop who knelt on man's neck charged with murder
« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2020, 10:21:24 pm »
He was down. He didn't need a knee on his neck. He wasn't resisting at all.
I still would like to know whether it's true that while he was still standing he complained of not being able to breathe, as the preliminary medical report indicated.

There wasn't pressure on that knee. He was not in pain. And if that cop wanted him to be in pain, hoo-boy, but they can.

Yes, he was complaining before they took him down... The called an ambulance for him right off the get-go. He resisted going into the car, standard takedown to get him under control. The neck hold is to keep him from getting up...