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Offline Smokin Joe

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COVID Rebellion
« on: May 15, 2020, 05:08:44 am »
It has come to my attention that despite the urgings from the still-employed folks at the CDC and the WHO, and an alphabet soup of other agencies pulling down gobs of grant money to study this disease, in much of flyover country people are looking around, counting the few cases in their county, or sometimes the absence of cases for a couple of counties over, and are deeply questioning the inherent wisdom of those telling them to stay home and not make a living. (My tenth grade English teacher would have flogged me for a run-on sentence, just there, but that's a minor act of rebellion.)

With that questioning comes defiance, albeit in different forms, so, here's a taste and feel free to add whatever you run across.

DISCLAIMER: the acts, opinions, song parodies, and other content in this thread, if anyone adds to it, is not intended to replace medical advice. Each person has to make up their own mind what they find to be appropriate action in these trying times (which we're all in together, albeit properly socially distanced, masked, and playing hopscotch to stay on the little dots or X marks--or not).

Anyhoo, here's a first shot across the bow from a guy who might have enough subscribers on YouTube to not get scrubbed.


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Re: COVID Rebellion
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2020, 02:33:40 pm »
I love it!  Thanks @Smokin Joe

Seriously though -- how long is this *bleep* supposed to go on?  Pennsylvania is starting to open up, but many businesses are still closed.  Like barber shops and beauty salons -- because they operators can't cut your hair from six feet away.  Is that stupid or what?  I had two doctor appointments I kept while I was supposed to be on lockdown.  In both cases masks and gloves were used and I was examined up close and personal.  I'm still healthy and so are the doctors and their staff.  Ok with certain precautions taken, but if a doctor can examine me up close, why can't barbers and beauticians ply their trade with much of the same precautions in place? 

And as being with people in a public place -- I don't know about you, but I don't carry a measuring tape around with me.  How am I supposed to comply with the six-feet rule? 

I think all these precautions, lockdowns and business closures are designed, not only to wreck our economy, but to make us all nuts.  I'm retired, but because of my age and chronic health issues, I have been home for two months now (except for the aforementioned doctor appointments).  Summer is almost here and as the weather warms up, people want to get out and about.  Trying to force them to stay home or if they go anywhere, wear masks and maintain the six feet rule is just not going to happen.  I see it now in my neighborhood -- especially with the young kids.  They aren't wearing masks or maintaining any distance.  This karp has to end. 

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Re: COVID Rebellion
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2020, 08:38:18 pm »
@Applewood  I agree. For many of us in relatively unaffected areas, the question is why not? We have 29 counties in which there either have been no cases recorded or all those wh0 tested positive have since recovered (either way, zero active cases). Another two counties lost patients, but between the recoveries and deaths, all cases are resolved.

One county accounts for 60% of the cases in the State, and 77% of the deaths attributed to COVID-19. The top three population density counties (with the biggest cities)  account for 83% of the positive tests and 36 of the 43 deaths attributed to the bug (83.7%). This seems counterintuitive, as the best hospitals in the State are in the bigger cities, so one would think the quality of care available in a health care system which has never been short of beds nor equipment would result in better outcomes.

Of the 55221 tested, 96.56% tested negative. Of those who tested positive (1900), 62% (1178) have recovered.

I must note that sadly, health care workers seem to be heavily represented among SARSCoV-2 victims, and I wonder why. With adequate and proper use of PPE, you would think this group would be among the best protected. Sure, it only takes one lapse, and everyone in the lounge could get a dose, which may indicate n-95 protocols to be inadequate. After all, despite the market myth, there are indications this escaped from a BSL-4 lab.

But, using the sample above (and I'm guessing most of the people tested were either contact traces or sick, even, 98.7% of the people in the State either had the virus and got better, or just didn't have it at all. Now that sample size is only 6.9%, but may be skewed by factors noted above and perhaps even false positives, but the idea that roughly 1 person in 100 might be infected in a 45 day period, is hardly cause to put the other 99 out of work.

In small towns, with limited out of the area travel, in rural counties, why not open the town cafe back up? Every day seems like Halloween with people using protocols and bumping elbows (even with gloves and masks on) instead of shaking hands. I bet the 'bowing' cultures of the world are laughing their masks off over that.

North Dakota was never locked down as hard as other areas, nor eastern Montana, and South Dakota not at all.
Too much here is time sensitive, from spring planting, to calving, to even shutting in oil wells and hauling production water and oil from the ones still producing, all 24/7/365 jobs that make no allowances for not being done.  No planting, no crops, no crops, and between ND and MT, 80% of the nations Durham doesn't get grown (a main grain for making pasta). In ND alone, 7 million acres of soybeans don't get planted, 2.7 billion pounds of potatoes won't be harvested, etc.
Over 39 million agricultural acres and the nations second place oil producer stop? Nah. Not happening.

I still see about half the folks in town wearing masks, gloves, or both. Many work for larger outfits or franchises which are requiring their employees to wear them, and everyone is touting 'no contact delivery', mainly to avoid lawsuits if someone gets sick (Nope, it couldn't have been us who infected you as a defense). I get that.
But even more damaging, there are people out there making more on enhanced unemployment than they did doing their jobs, and once you stop getting up to do things, it is hard to get back into that--especially for less money when the enhancements run out, and on the low end of the wage scale, the bills expand to cover the money supply, so cutbacks will have to happen, even then. 
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: COVID Rebellion
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2020, 11:01:21 pm »
I love it!  Thanks @Smokin Joe

Seriously though -- how long is this *bleep* supposed to go on?  Pennsylvania is starting to open up, but many businesses are still closed.  Like barber shops and beauty salons -- because they operators can't cut your hair from six feet away.  Is that stupid or what?  I had two doctor appointments I kept while I was supposed to be on lockdown.  In both cases masks and gloves were used and I was examined up close and personal.  I'm still healthy and so are the doctors and their staff.  Ok with certain precautions taken, but if a doctor can examine me up close, why can't barbers and beauticians ply their trade with much of the same precautions in place? 

And as being with people in a public place -- I don't know about you, but I don't carry a measuring tape around with me.  How am I supposed to comply with the six-feet rule? 

I think all these precautions, lockdowns and business closures are designed, not only to wreck our economy, but to make us all nuts.  I'm retired, but because of my age and chronic health issues, I have been home for two months now (except for the aforementioned doctor appointments).  Summer is almost here and as the weather warms up, people want to get out and about.  Trying to force them to stay home or if they go anywhere, wear masks and maintain the six feet rule is just not going to happen.  I see it now in my neighborhood -- especially with the young kids.  They aren't wearing masks or maintaining any distance.  This karp has to end.

There you go spreading disinformation and conspiracy theories /sarc
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Re: COVID Rebellion
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2020, 11:13:59 pm »
There you go spreading disinformation and conspiracy theories /sarc

LOL  See what I mean?  I don't believe conspiracy theories, but the lockdown and the rest of it is making me so crazy, I've come up with my own conspiracy theory.   happy77

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Re: COVID Rebellion
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 11:18:25 pm »
LOL  See what I mean?  I don't believe conspiracy theories, but the lockdown and the rest of it is making me so crazy, I've come up with my own conspiracy theory.   happy77

LOL!

I don't believe in them either.   And what we've seen happen to our liberties and what we've seen purposely done to our economy in the name of "safety" and "for our own protection" is reality...not the machinations of some tinfoil wearing conspiracy theorist.

It's rather frightening to see people you thought were rational freedom loving Conservatives...the Left isn't the only one engaged in panic porn...turning into Scolds and trying to shame us into accepting this "new normal".
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Re: COVID Rebellion
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2020, 04:56:31 am »
LOL!

I don't believe in them either.   And what we've seen happen to our liberties and what we've seen purposely done to our economy in the name of "safety" and "for our own protection" is reality...not the machinations of some tinfoil wearing conspiracy theorist.

It's rather frightening to see people you thought were rational freedom loving Conservatives...the Left isn't the only one engaged in panic porn...turning into Scolds and trying to shame us into accepting this "new normal".

Well, Americans are being conditioned, in the midst of mortal fear, to believe that those who stand up for their fundamental rights are selfish, extreme, irresponsible, hateful, irrational, and lawless.

My skepticism, as in other topics, is a product of studying information that hasn't been so severely edited as to present only one side, and facts that can be verified by information in respected publications prior to this outbreak. Research conducted before there was a relevant political influence tends to be less tainted by suppression and mispresented data or conclusions.
I am especially skeptical of the way that doctors' accounts of success with treatment in multiple locations, using the same regimen in the same way have been shoved aside in favor of an 'analysis' of results obtained while not giving all three medications which should have been present in the regimen, and how those disastrous results have been repeatedly touted as some sort of study on the efficacy of the complete regimen when they only demonstrate that leaving the zinc supplement out of the regimen has fatal outcomes for the patients. So, as far as I am concerned, they are citing an analysis of the results of administering a placebo, not one of the medication.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis