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Re: Election 2020: Twitter and Social Media
« Reply #2475 on: January 12, 2021, 07:47:21 pm »
Reagan?   Who was he?

Someone who managed to collect roughly the same percentage of the general population's vote in his landslide re-election victory as Trump collected in 2020.
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« Reply #2476 on: January 12, 2021, 07:51:47 pm »
Ideologically yes.... we have Romney, Collins, and Murkowski.

The big difference I am referencing is that republicans in that era were 5X more prinicpled. Vs. the ones now are 5X more concerned with self interest and self preservation.  That changes the dynamics of that so called tent, and makes that tent a whole lot smellier.
More importantly the democrats of 40 years ago had guys like Sam Nunn and Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

The rat party we face today are flat fascist, in the literal sense. I don't want to share a tent with anyone that a) refuses to acknowledge it, and b) won't fight it to the finish.
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« Reply #2477 on: January 12, 2021, 08:19:59 pm »
It is not a "fact" that Georgia elections were rigged.  That is merely an opinion based on no actionable evidence.   


And that is my opinion.
Just because no court allowed the evidence does not dispute a fact occurs.  A court is not the ultimate decider of facts.

Like likening a murder in broad daylight witnessed by thousands to be 'just an opinion'.
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« Reply #2478 on: January 12, 2021, 08:44:22 pm »
BTW -- maybe I missed it, but I am still waiting on your response to the difference you can discern between a Trump rally and a Hillary rally ... Maxine Waters is another one that says some pretty outlandish things and her crowd roars and cheers in response. Just trying to understand your logic in all of this.


Yes,  you missed my response. 
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« Reply #2479 on: January 12, 2021, 09:34:38 pm »
Yes,  you missed my response.

I didn't.  It was your usual dissembling when asked by Members to get specific.  If she missed it, it was because it was an instantly recognized crock.
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« Reply #2480 on: January 13, 2021, 12:22:11 am »
It is a fact that Georgia election laws were ignored.  It is also a fact that Georgia Secretary of State unilaterally changed election rules without legislative approval in violation of the US Constitution.  And yes, evidence for each has been poster here.

Georgia certified the election results.   
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« Reply #2481 on: January 13, 2021, 12:26:37 am »
I didn't.  It was your usual dissembling when asked by Members to get specific.  If she missed it, it was because it was an instantly recognized crock.

Specific about what?   I explained why the January 6 events were stoked by the President.   Was it "different from a Hillary rally"?  Why yes,  it was different from most other Trump rallies!   It was a unique and dangerous blunder for which the President deserves censure.

 
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« Reply #2482 on: January 13, 2021, 12:43:21 am »
I don't disagree.   It's just I hold folks on " my side" to a higher standard.  Too wrongs don't make a right. [...]   Impeaching the President with mere days left in his term should not occur because it would needlessly polarize the nation,  not because he didn't commit impeachable acts.


Take a moment after you watch the videos below and comment on who you also think committed impeachable acts. @Jazzhead   -- And tell us why.

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He asked them to protest peacefully then told them to go home in his later address.

Little different than the peace warriors across the aisle.

Video Part 1:

https://twitter.com/PappyVanStankle/status/1348994999795527681

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https://twitter.com/PappyVanStankle/status/1348997365408129024

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Re: Election 2020: Twitter and Social Media
« Reply #2483 on: January 13, 2021, 12:47:58 am »
Georgia certified the election results.

Georgia broke the law.
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« Reply #2484 on: January 13, 2021, 12:52:26 am »
Ideologically yes.... we have Romney, Collins, and Murkowski.

The big difference I am referencing is that republicans in that era were 5X more prinicpled. Vs. the ones now are 5X more concerned with self interest and self preservation.   

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« Reply #2485 on: January 13, 2021, 12:54:05 am »
Yes,  you missed my response.

Ok ... I found it.

I understand that you see Trump as some kind of rock star playing to an adoring crowd.   I understand that his rhetoric on January 6 may have been no different in content and in tone to what he's said at other rallies.   And I acknowledge that Trump crowds have largely been boisterous,  but not destructive.

No I don't see Trump as a rock star -- what I said was he excites crowds as if he was a rockstar.  No. His crowds are not boisterous, but rather applauding and agreeing to his campaign platform, just like another other crowds response.  The only difference is the size of the crowds that he draws.

But something went horribly wrong on January 6.    This was a violent mob,  committing acts so outrageous and deadly that this one day alone will both define Donald Trump forever and end his political career.   Why are so determined that Trump not bear his share of the blame?   

What went so wrong?    I'll throw out some thoughts:

Interesting that you are so quick to assume and blame the violent mob as Trump supporters. Information that I have received is that this was staged by those wanting to depict Trump supporters as violent. 



-   The rally was purposely timed to coincide with a rare joint session of Congress - a vulnerable situation, as any security expert would tell you.

The rally was BEFORE the joint session Congress; not rare as the certification happens at the same time after each election.

- The rhetoric by Trump Giuliani and Don, Jr. in the morning was certainly aggressive, if not incendiary.

I did not hear Giuliani, I did listen to Jr.  What he spoke about; the radicalism of the left encroaching on our rights was not aggressive but TRUE!  There's that ugly fact again; the truth is the truth and you cannot change it.

-   Trump had been baiting his base for two months with horse manure that the election was stolen  -  they clearly believed him and that naturally ratcheted up the sense of grievance,  and willingness to "make the news" and play their part in Trump's reality show.

Trump didn't bait his base for crying out loud; hundreds came forward with evidence and were willing to testify in court; the courts looked the other way.  Cruz was willing to present case of fraud and was denied.

The courts have an obligation to ensure a fair election in EACH state and they failed and that is why the state of TX sued.  So if the courts refuse to hear cases, including the SCOTUS you are assuming that there was no validity.  The truth of the matter is that the courts were afraid because judging truthfully would have cause insurrection; they in turn caused insurrection!

- Trump had to be aware of the internet chatter by extremists willing to fight.

And there was absolutely no internet chatter by extremists from subversive groups wiling to fight against Trump and his supporters?  They've been rioting long before his recent rally.  Open your eyes to the truth!

- Mobs will be mobs.   Especially loose mobs already assembled to roam city streets (Hillary's rally appears to be in an indoor arena).

Hillary couldn't draw the crowds ... so that's a very weak comparison.  What is evident is the tone of Hillary's message; anti-white,  white supremacy needs to go, open borders, reparations for Blacks, etc.  So, I'm still waiting for you to explain why Hillary gets a free pass yet Trump is facing another impeachment.  You have given no valid explanation. 

Putting the very best spin on it, this was a monumental phuck-up.   I hope to God that further investigation shows that was all it was, a blunder, a miscalculation, rather than intent to abet a resurrection.   Trump at this time appears to lack the humility to admit either the fact or the cost of this blunder,  including the cost to his MAGA movement,  which is in danger of being fatally discredited.

Only problem with this theory is that Trump didn't blunder and again your assuming that those rioting and creating the insurrection was all MAGA.  I declare complete B.S.  Again, it was stage to make Trump and his movement look violent; quite the opposite actually took place.  Again.... TRUTH!

Thanks for your response @Jazzhead  --- you have a choice, either you can opt to choose to side with those who want to save our Republic from the tyranny, silencing of free speech, fraudulent election and destruction that will quickly march us towards socialism or you can be on the side that causes the destruction of our Republic.


The choice is yours.  There is no middle road; sitting back and thinking that we're going to see another fair election....or hoping that some GOP knight in shining armor like Romney is going to change things.

I have been the target of obscenities and threats in recent days,  but my advice to the Trumpsters is not intended to be disingenuous  - if you want to save your still very potent political movement,  sever yourselves from Donald Trump

Again what you are not understanding is this isn't a 'political movement' this is the voice of 'We the People' who are standing up for our Republic and most of all our Constitution -- Trump was merely a voice for 75+ million patriots.  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:


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Re: Election 2020: Twitter and Social Media
« Reply #2486 on: January 13, 2021, 01:06:12 am »
@libertybele See? Dissembling. Just wait for the response.
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« Reply #2487 on: January 13, 2021, 01:25:28 am »
@libertybele See? Dissembling. Just wait for the response.

I don't expect a response and if he doesn't respond that's ok. You are painfully as aware as I am that there are unfortunately many like him that have been brainwashed by the liberal MSM, liberal politicians and those claiming to be Repubicans. Typical of the liberals; lie, lie and repeat the lie till people believe the lies.

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« Reply #2488 on: January 13, 2021, 02:15:21 am »
I don't disagree.   It's just I hold folks on " my side" to a higher standard.  Too wrongs don't make a right.    Impeaching the President with mere days left in his term should not occur because it would needlessly polarize the nation,  not because he didn't commit impeachable acts.
It should not occur because he did not commit impeachable acts. The nation is more divided than at any time since 1865. That's on the Democrats, on ABCNNBCBS, on Facebook, on Twitter, and on every jackass out there spewing obvious falsehoods, on any platform and in any medium, extolling the Communists and denigrating Conservatives and Conservative values.
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Re: Election 2020: Twitter and Social Media
« Reply #2489 on: January 13, 2021, 02:54:33 am »
It should not occur because he did not commit impeachable acts. The nation is more divided than at any time since 1865.

And we have four years ahead of Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan rolled into one.
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« Reply #2490 on: January 13, 2021, 05:49:12 am »
I don't disagree.   It's just I hold folks on " my side" to a higher standard.  Too wrongs don't make a right. [...]   Impeaching the President with mere days left in his term should not occur because it would needlessly polarize the nation,  not because he didn't commit impeachable acts.

Take a moment after you watch the videos below and comment on who you also think committed impeachable acts. @Jazzhead   -- And tell us why.

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He asked them to protest peacefully then told them to go home in his later address.

Little different than the peace warriors across the aisle.

Video Part 1:

https://twitter.com/PappyVanStankle/status/1348994999795527681

Video Part 2

https://twitter.com/PappyVanStankle/status/1348997365408129024

9:07 AM · Jan 12, 2021·Twitter for iPhone


Still waiting @Jazzhead   Watch the videos ... they're short.  Tell us who else do you think has committed impeachable offenses.   :im waiting:

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« Reply #2491 on: January 13, 2021, 01:30:08 pm »
Ok ... I found it.

I understand that you see Trump as some kind of rock star playing to an adoring crowd.   I understand that his rhetoric on January 6 may have been no different in content and in tone to what he's said at other rallies.   And I acknowledge that Trump crowds have largely been boisterous,  but not destructive.

No I don't see Trump as a rock star -- what I said was he excites crowds as if he was a rockstar.  No. His crowds are not boisterous, but rather applauding and agreeing to his campaign platform, just like another other crowds response.  The only difference is the size of the crowds that he draws.

But something went horribly wrong on January 6.    This was a violent mob,  committing acts so outrageous and deadly that this one day alone will both define Donald Trump forever and end his political career.   Why are so determined that Trump not bear his share of the blame?   

What went so wrong?    I'll throw out some thoughts:

Interesting that you are so quick to assume and blame the violent mob as Trump supporters. Information that I have received is that this was staged by those wanting to depict Trump supporters as violent. 



-   The rally was purposely timed to coincide with a rare joint session of Congress - a vulnerable situation, as any security expert would tell you.

The rally was BEFORE the joint session Congress; not rare as the certification happens at the same time after each election.

- The rhetoric by Trump Giuliani and Don, Jr. in the morning was certainly aggressive, if not incendiary.

I did not hear Giuliani, I did listen to Jr.  What he spoke about; the radicalism of the left encroaching on our rights was not aggressive but TRUE!  There's that ugly fact again; the truth is the truth and you cannot change it.

-   Trump had been baiting his base for two months with horse manure that the election was stolen  -  they clearly believed him and that naturally ratcheted up the sense of grievance,  and willingness to "make the news" and play their part in Trump's reality show.

Trump didn't bait his base for crying out loud; hundreds came forward with evidence and were willing to testify in court; the courts looked the other way.  Cruz was willing to present case of fraud and was denied.

The courts have an obligation to ensure a fair election in EACH state and they failed and that is why the state of TX sued.  So if the courts refuse to hear cases, including the SCOTUS you are assuming that there was no validity.  The truth of the matter is that the courts were afraid because judging truthfully would have cause insurrection; they in turn caused insurrection!

- Trump had to be aware of the internet chatter by extremists willing to fight.

And there was absolutely no internet chatter by extremists from subversive groups wiling to fight against Trump and his supporters?  They've been rioting long before his recent rally.  Open your eyes to the truth!

- Mobs will be mobs.   Especially loose mobs already assembled to roam city streets (Hillary's rally appears to be in an indoor arena).

Hillary couldn't draw the crowds ... so that's a very weak comparison.  What is evident is the tone of Hillary's message; anti-white,  white supremacy needs to go, open borders, reparations for Blacks, etc.  So, I'm still waiting for you to explain why Hillary gets a free pass yet Trump is facing another impeachment.  You have given no valid explanation. 

Putting the very best spin on it, this was a monumental phuck-up.   I hope to God that further investigation shows that was all it was, a blunder, a miscalculation, rather than intent to abet a resurrection.   Trump at this time appears to lack the humility to admit either the fact or the cost of this blunder,  including the cost to his MAGA movement,  which is in danger of being fatally discredited.

Only problem with this theory is that Trump didn't blunder and again your assuming that those rioting and creating the insurrection was all MAGA.  I declare complete B.S.  Again, it was stage to make Trump and his movement look violent; quite the opposite actually took place.  Again.... TRUTH!

Thanks for your response @Jazzhead  --- you have a choice, either you can opt to choose to side with those who want to save our Republic from the tyranny, silencing of free speech, fraudulent election and destruction that will quickly march us towards socialism or you can be on the side that causes the destruction of our Republic.


The choice is yours.  There is no middle road; sitting back and thinking that we're going to see another fair election....or hoping that some GOP knight in shining armor like Romney is going to change things.

I have been the target of obscenities and threats in recent days,  but my advice to the Trumpsters is not intended to be disingenuous  - if you want to save your still very potent political movement,  sever yourselves from Donald Trump

Again what you are not understanding is this isn't a 'political movement' this is the voice of 'We the People' who are standing up for our Republic and most of all our Constitution -- Trump was merely a voice for 75+ million patriots.  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:




@libertybele ,   I understand your position that Trump is merely a voice for 75+million patriots.   My advice is simple - if those 75 million wish to retain a voice after the cancerous events of last week,  they need to find a new one. 

Regarding the exhortation of crowds,  you ask why Hillary got away with it while Trump doesn't.   I guess I don't understand - Trump has been exhorting his rallies for years,  and nothing went seriously wrong until last week.   What I want to know is what was different about January 6 that led to the trashing of the Capitol and the death of a cop.   My response to you therefore consisted of my thoughts why that may have been.    A lot of dry timber lay waiting for a spark.   

I've asked several times just who caused the spark if not Trump.   You say it was antifa - I say I've seen no evidence of that.   But there was considerable evidence of right-wing internet chatter speaking of violence and Trump and Guiliani had to have known that when they exhorted this crowd to fight.

Both Hillary and Trump got away with playing with fire.  In Trump's case, for a very long time.  But it was Trump who,  in the end,  got burnt.   And now he must pay the price.   Whether MAGA will pay a similar price depends on whether the movement is willing to separate itself from the soon-to-be ex-Arsonist-in-Chief   
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« Reply #2492 on: January 13, 2021, 01:38:02 pm »
@Jazzhead

Can you please pinpoint the wording of President Trump's speech that you consider seditious?
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« Reply #2493 on: January 13, 2021, 01:42:15 pm »
@Jazzhead

Can you please pinpoint the wording of President Trump's speech that you consider seditious?

What is especially troubling,  as Steve Scalise pointed out this morning,  is that Trump failed to explicitly condemn the violence as it was happening.   
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« Reply #2494 on: January 13, 2021, 01:44:49 pm »
It's been a couple of days now @Jazzhead  Surely you can tell us who has committed impeachable offenses on these two brief videos.  Or are you stumped??

Video Part 1:

https://twitter.com/PappyVanStankle/status/1348994999795527681

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https://twitter.com/PappyVanStankle/status/1348997365408129024

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« Reply #2495 on: January 13, 2021, 01:47:28 pm »
@libertybele ,
I've asked several times just who caused the spark if not Trump.

This is a logical fallacy (i.e. non-rational).  It's like saying, 'If no one knows the name of the person who murdered Ashli Babbitt, then it had to be Trump'.

You also continue to ignore the reason people are angry to begin with.
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« Reply #2496 on: January 13, 2021, 01:52:03 pm »
  Whether MAGA will pay a similar price depends on whether the movement is willing to separate itself from the soon-to-be ex-Arsonist-in-Chief

 88devil  Oh for heavens sake you've become a full blown drama queen.  Here's the lesson you'll soon learn:  You should have fought for Trump @Jazzhead 

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« Reply #2497 on: January 13, 2021, 02:03:36 pm »
88devil  Oh for heavens sake you've become a full blown drama queen.  Here's the lesson you'll soon learn:  You should have fought for Trump @Jazzhead

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« Reply #2498 on: January 13, 2021, 02:06:56 pm »
Seems we have Lincoln Project plants here don't we....

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Re: Election 2020: Twitter and Social Media
« Reply #2499 on: January 13, 2021, 02:21:25 pm »
@libertybele ,   I understand your position that Trump is merely a voice for 75+million patriots.   My advice is simple - if those 75 million wish to retain a voice after the cancerous events of last week,  they need to find a new one. 

Why?  Because you think so?

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