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We've been had, and Trump knows it
« on: March 28, 2020, 02:09:22 pm »
March 28, 2020
We've been had, and Trump knows it
By Geoffrey P. Hunt

While President Trump closed the U.S. border against entry from China at the end of January, his overall instinct was right.  The CCP virus was nasty, but no worse than a supercharged flu.

Health professionals overwhelmed Trump and his inner circle with doomsday scenarios, bullied by panic-obsessed virologists and epidemiologists — begging for attention and copying the alarmist playbook from the climate/global warming extremists, allied with the MSM Trump-haters.

And now the government has completely suffocated economic demand, creating a depression, an unnecessary calamity that is destroying lives, livelihoods, families, and fortunes for a generation.  It is becoming apparent that the end-of-the-world predictions, computer models warning of an apocalyptic black plague worldwide, are all wrong.

Those paying attention were warned that the worse-case scenarios were hysterical, by the likes of Stanford epidemiologist John P.A. Ioannidis.

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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2020, 02:19:56 pm »
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Those paying attention were warned that the worse-case scenarios were hysterical...

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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2020, 02:39:34 pm »
We cannot turn back the clock on this, nor can we ignore the thousands that are dying in NY and other states and the lives that they are trying to save.  We also do not know how many this will infect and kill and we are just seeing the beginning. 

What we do know is that the U.S. has surpassed the number of cases in China and they have a much, much larger population than we.  That to me is concerning.

Closing down our borders and banning travel from various parts of the world was a wise decision.  Our governor in FL is putting up checkpoints to stop the influx of people coming from NY and LA and rightfully so.  Containment is necessary.
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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2020, 02:44:49 pm »
It’s kabuki on a grand scale. Giving misleading information, intentionally or not, resulted in political overreaction that, coincidentally or not, helped democrats in their corrupt ongoing attempt to sway voters in the presidential election.

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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2020, 02:48:07 pm »
We cannot turn back the clock on this, nor can we ignore the thousands that are dying in NY and other states and the lives that they are trying to save.  We also do not know how many this will infect and kill and we are just seeing the beginning. 

What we do know is that the U.S. has surpassed the number of cases in China and they have a much, much larger population than we.  That to me is concerning.

Closing down our borders and banning travel from various parts of the world was a wise decision.  Our governor in FL is putting up checkpoints to stop the influx of people coming from NY and LA and rightfully so.  Containment is necessary.
"What we do know is that the U.S. has surpassed the number of cases in China"

No, we don't know. Any reports coming from the official offices of communist China can be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm not saying the ChiComs lie about everything, but they lie about many things, and they've constantly lied about the virus. They will continue to lie.
Maybe they've curtailed the virus, and maybe they haven't.
But I'd only trust reports from an independent team and not the criminals running the country.

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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2020, 02:51:19 pm »
The author has swallowed the Chinese Communist propaganda Kool-aid. I don't buy it, it's one thing to have reasoned arguments, he doesn't.

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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2020, 02:54:18 pm »
March 28, 2020
We've been had, and Trump knows it
By Geoffrey P. Hunt

While President Trump closed the U.S. border against entry from China at the end of January, his overall instinct was right.  The CCP virus was nasty, but no worse than a supercharged flu.

Health professionals overwhelmed Trump and his inner circle with doomsday scenarios, bullied by panic-obsessed virologists and epidemiologists — begging for attention and copying the alarmist playbook from the climate/global warming extremists, allied with the MSM Trump-haters.

And now the government has completely suffocated economic demand, creating a depression, an unnecessary calamity that is destroying lives, livelihoods, families, and fortunes for a generation.  It is becoming apparent that the end-of-the-world predictions, computer models warning of an apocalyptic black plague worldwide, are all wrong.

Those paying attention were warned that the worse-case scenarios were hysterical, by the likes of Stanford epidemiologist John P.A. Ioannidis.

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Uhhh..... if Trump knows we've "been had"....

then why did he just yesterday sign that 2 TRILLION dollar "relief" bill?

Hmm?
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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2020, 03:30:49 pm »
"What we do know is that the U.S. has surpassed the number of cases in China"

No, we don't know. Any reports coming from the official offices of communist China can be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm not saying the ChiComs lie about everything, but they lie about many things, and they've constantly lied about the virus. They will continue to lie.
Maybe they've curtailed the virus, and maybe they haven't.
But I'd only trust reports from an independent team and not the criminals running the country.

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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2020, 03:30:56 pm »
We cannot turn back the clock on this, nor can we ignore the thousands that are dying in NY and other states and the lives that they are trying to save.  We also do not know how many this will infect and kill and we are just seeing the beginning. 

What we do know is that the U.S. has surpassed the number of cases in China and they have a much, much larger population than we.  That to me is concerning.

Closing down our borders and banning travel from various parts of the world was a wise decision.  Our governor in FL is putting up checkpoints to stop the influx of people coming from NY and LA and rightfully so.  Containment is necessary.

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Say WHAT??????

WHO "KNOWS" that? There are some people claiming more than 100k + Chinese had already died by last month.
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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2020, 03:32:24 pm »
Uhhh..... if Trump knows we've "been had"....

then why did he just yesterday sign that 2 TRILLION dollar "relief" bill?

Hmm?

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Obviously so you could take a cheap shot at him.
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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2020, 03:45:09 pm »
@XenaLee

Obviously so you could take a cheap shot at him.

The point.... which obviously whooshed right over your pointy little head....

is that Trump knows no such thing.   The claim in the article is bogus.

Get a clue.

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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2020, 03:53:57 pm »
It’s kabuki on a grand scale. Giving misleading information, intentionally or not, resulted in political overreaction that, coincidentally or not, helped democrats in their corrupt ongoing attempt to sway voters in the presidential election.

This may turn out to be only kabuki theater (I'm still not quite convinced of this) but if the plan was to help democrats win the white house ... they have failed miserably @aligncare    happy77

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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2020, 03:59:48 pm »
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And now the government has completely suffocated economic demand, creating a depression, an unnecessary calamity that is destroying lives, livelihoods, families, and fortunes for a generation. 

Sounds like Mr. Hunt, himself, has caught the hysteric bug.  He should step away from the keyboard and self-quarantine for a few weeks.

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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2020, 04:34:54 pm »
This may turn out to be only kabuki theater (I'm still not quite convinced of this) but if the plan was to help democrats win the white house ... they have failed miserably @aligncare    happy77

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Early times. Too soon to tell yet.

The one thing we know for certain is that by grabbing a disease and making it political,the Dims went from "Not a chance in hell!" of winning the WH and controlling both houses,to "Maybe they will pull it off".

Depends on how much "territory" the Dims can get from claiming the RNC and the President are "against helping the American People in their time of need and disease. If this thing gets out of control and/or somehow the RNC manages to override Trump and cut off all the aid packages,the Dims have a solid shot.

On the other hand,if the Republicans cut their losses by playing along with the aid packages,the Dims are disarmed and they have nothing to run on and everything to run FROM.
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Re: We've been had, and Trump knows it
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2020, 05:06:35 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Early times. Too soon to tell yet.

The one thing we know for certain is that by grabbing a disease and making it political,the Dims went from "Not a chance in hell!" of winning the WH and controlling both houses ,to "Maybe they will pull it off".

Demonrats are delusional @sneakypete  It's their best and most reliable asset.    happy77

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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2020, 05:45:24 pm »
The medical and social implications of a long-term shutdown of our economy will far surpass the medical and social implications of this bug, had it simply been allowed to do its dirty work quickly. 

It will be very interesting to see how the Netherlands fares in comparison to the other countries in the EU when it is all over.  The approach in the Netherlands was to take a sharp blow, let the virus run its course through the population quickly, and thereby get their citizens immune as soon as possible:

https://www.jta.org/2020/03/24/lifestyle/the-netherlands-is-ok-with-citizens-being-exposed-to-the-coronavirus-thats-terrifying-to-me-and-nearby-jewish-communities

This seems to me to be a much more sensible approach than shutting down the economy for several months and then dealing with BOTH the virus and the ramifications of greater levels of poverty for years to come.

I am also very surprised to see so many people on this board supporting a $6 trillion bailout.  This bailout isn't going to "fix" the economy any more than the bailout of 2008/2009 did.  It will only prop up the establishment and prolong the private sector rebound.

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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2020, 08:12:45 pm »
The medical and social implications of a long-term shutdown of our economy will far surpass the medical and social implications of this bug, had it simply been allowed to do its dirty work quickly. 

It will be very interesting to see how the Netherlands fares in comparison to the other countries in the EU when it is all over.  The approach in the Netherlands was to take a sharp blow, let the virus run its course through the population quickly, and thereby get their citizens immune as soon as possible:

https://www.jta.org/2020/03/24/lifestyle/the-netherlands-is-ok-with-citizens-being-exposed-to-the-coronavirus-thats-terrifying-to-me-and-nearby-jewish-communities

This seems to me to be a much more sensible approach than shutting down the economy for several months and then dealing with BOTH the virus and the ramifications of greater levels of poverty for years to come.

I am also very surprised to see so many people on this board supporting a $6 trillion bailout.  This bailout isn't going to "fix" the economy any more than the bailout of 2008/2009 did.  It will only prop up the establishment and prolong the private sector rebound.

I agree with that 100% @massadvj !
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2020, 08:28:04 pm »
The medical and social implications of a long-term shutdown of our economy will far surpass the medical and social implications of this bug, had it simply been allowed to do its dirty work quickly. 

It will be very interesting to see how the Netherlands fares in comparison to the other countries in the EU when it is all over.  The approach in the Netherlands was to take a sharp blow, let the virus run its course through the population quickly, and thereby get their citizens immune as soon as possible:

https://www.jta.org/2020/03/24/lifestyle/the-netherlands-is-ok-with-citizens-being-exposed-to-the-coronavirus-thats-terrifying-to-me-and-nearby-jewish-communities

This seems to me to be a much more sensible approach than shutting down the economy for several months and then dealing with BOTH the virus and the ramifications of greater levels of poverty for years to come.

I am also very surprised to see so many people on this board supporting a $6 trillion bailout.  This bailout isn't going to "fix" the economy any more than the bailout of 2008/2009 did.  It will only prop up the establishment and prolong the private sector rebound.

Yes, really, if it can do its dirty work quickly.

We can be certain we wouldn't see bodies stacked up, crematoriums at work, mobile-crematoriums, people dropping on the street from this like flies, senior citizen nursing homes abandoned. That won't happen here, this is Amurca....
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2020, 08:30:12 pm »

What we do know is that the U.S. has surpassed the number of cases in China and they have a much, much larger population than we.  That to me is concerning.


That is mostly bullcrap. Of course we have more cases, because we are testing for the virus at a much greater rate, so more cases are being identified. That is also giving a more honest morbidity rate - Morbidity is way down in the US and Britain, partly because of better medical care, but also because the testing is much improved, which raises the detected rate and lowers the morbidity rate.

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2020, 08:34:01 pm »
It’s kabuki on a grand scale. Giving misleading information, intentionally or not, resulted in political overreaction that, coincidentally or not, helped democrats in their corrupt ongoing attempt to sway voters in the presidential election.

Yes, more or less - though I see a different motive, since both sides of the aisle are complicit...

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#SouthKorea is now reporting less #COVID19 cases than the #Netherlands. Thanks to quick action & a tactical govt response, SK has slowed down the virus without shutting their entire country down. SK's use of the "precision drill" is paying dividends.


https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1243988427567136770

SK doing better than Netherlands per this chart.  Whatever SK is doing, is exemplary.

Have a good response,  work long-range, don't throw caution to the wind. SK may have buckled down at first, I know the streets were empty at first, now, they have a response that is allowing the country to get back to work.

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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2020, 08:36:16 pm »
Uhhh..... if Trump knows we've "been had"....

then why did he just yesterday sign that 2 TRILLION dollar "relief" bill?

Hmm?

Because he is a NYC liberal, and is throwing money at it. And he WILL sign the next two as well, and the two after that... He has never 'not signed' yet.

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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2020, 08:37:57 pm »
The medical and social implications of a long-term shutdown of our economy will far surpass the medical and social implications of this bug, had it simply been allowed to do its dirty work quickly. 

It will be very interesting to see how the Netherlands fares in comparison to the other countries in the EU when it is all over.  The approach in the Netherlands was to take a sharp blow, let the virus run its course through the population quickly, and thereby get their citizens immune as soon as possible:

https://www.jta.org/2020/03/24/lifestyle/the-netherlands-is-ok-with-citizens-being-exposed-to-the-coronavirus-thats-terrifying-to-me-and-nearby-jewish-communities

This seems to me to be a much more sensible approach than shutting down the economy for several months and then dealing with BOTH the virus and the ramifications of greater levels of poverty for years to come.

I am also very surprised to see so many people on this board supporting a $6 trillion bailout.  This bailout isn't going to "fix" the economy any more than the bailout of 2008/2009 did.  It will only prop up the establishment and prolong the private sector rebound.

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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2020, 08:02:31 pm »
The medical and social implications of a long-term shutdown of our economy will far surpass the medical and social implications of this bug, had it simply been allowed to do its dirty work quickly. 

It will be very interesting to see how the Netherlands fares in comparison to the other countries in the EU when it is all over.  The approach in the Netherlands was to take a sharp blow, let the virus run its course through the population quickly, and thereby get their citizens immune as soon as possible:

https://www.jta.org/2020/03/24/lifestyle/the-netherlands-is-ok-with-citizens-being-exposed-to-the-coronavirus-thats-terrifying-to-me-and-nearby-jewish-communities

This seems to me to be a much more sensible approach than shutting down the economy for several months and then dealing with BOTH the virus and the ramifications of greater levels of poverty for years to come.

I am also very surprised to see so many people on this board supporting a $6 trillion bailout.  This bailout isn't going to "fix" the economy any more than the bailout of 2008/2009 did.  It will only prop up the establishment and prolong the private sector rebound.
While I can see flattening the curve a little, to avoid overwhelming medical facilities and to buy more time for remedies to be discerned and produced, protracted lockdown of the economy is dangerous.
I definitely do not approve of 6 trillion in debt to bail out an economy.  I am sure those measures will end up laced with pork which benefits a few people greatly while the rest of America is fed the watery gruel of a check that won't rent a 2 bedroom apartment here for a month.
Avoid the "need" for that "bailout". Even if the isolation is needed for a couple weeks to slow things down.
If anything, let me take the nearly $20,000 in tax deductions for last year I could have taken three years ago in employee business expenses (mostly vehicle expenses necessary to employment and for the (expensive) flame resistant clothing the government requires me to wear, but will not let me deduct the cost of).

The 600 lb gorilla in that room is the current crash in oil prices, little mentioned in the flurry of virus stories. Cheaper gasoline, while nice, will not give the economy the boost the oil boom of 06-14 did, by any means, and current oil prices are not even enough to sustain current production, much less cause the sort of employment that pulled this economy out of impending depression then. So while people could work their way out of the economic troubles associated with the last bailout by running away from home and going to work in the oilfields, this time that isn't an option. Layoffs and CAPEX cuts in the energy sector are happening and some are fairly severe. At the same time court rulings are attacking the very pipelines, the arteries along which that economic lifeblood flows.

Another younger brother to that gorilla is that while people aren't putting in their 32 or more hours a week to maintain their Obamacare insurance, they lose eligibility for it. So, in the midst of this crisis over a disease, one which may involve significant medical costs, people are and will be losing their health insurance willy-nilly. A day in the ICU will cost about $10K for day one, so the bailout won't touch the expense involved if someone gets sick.

If the Hydroxychloroquine/Z-Pack (Azithromycin) therapy works and is cheap, maybe we can get back to work.
Coronaviruses are notoriously difficult to vaccinate against, otherwise, we'd have vaccines against the common cold and we cannot expect to have an economy left after months or a year of this current paradigm, especially under Democrat control.

Yes, the Pubbies have been painted into the usual corner of being damned if they do and damned if they don't when it comes to this relief bill. Don't let it happen again. Fast track effective medication, which the tests so far seem to indicate works, and let's get this stuff taken care of.
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