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Trump to cruise lines: If you want American coronavirus relief, try being American companies first
« on: March 28, 2020, 02:12:22 am »
Trump to cruise lines: If you want American coronavirus relief, try being American companies first
Ed MorrisseyPosted at 4:01 pm on March 27, 2020

If companies want America to bail them out, perhaps they should bail back into America first. Donald Trump had spoken repeatedly about the financial beating that cruise lines had taken since the start of the coronavirus outbreak, and perhaps those corporations just assumed that they could access the COVID-19 rescue package once it passed.

Language in the 883-page bill passed by the Senate says that to be eligible for aid from the $500 billion fund, companies must be certified as “created or organized in the United States or under the laws of the United States” as well as having “significant operations in” and a majority of employees based in the United States.

Major cruise companies have located their primary headquarters overseas, which for years has allowed them to pay almost no federal taxes and avoid some U.S. regulations. To staff their ships, the companies rely heavily on foreign workers from the Philippines, Indonesia and India.

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/03/27/trump-cruise-lines-want-american-coronavirus-relief-try-american-companies-first/

OK, who could disagree with this?  I agree with Trump on this.  Oh, did I say that?  Don't forget.
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Re: Trump to cruise lines: If you want American coronavirus relief, try being American companies fir
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2020, 05:12:37 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on March 28, 2020, 02:12:22 am
OK, who could disagree with this?  I agree with Trump on this.  Oh, did I say that?  Don't forget.

I, for one, will not forget.  Thanks, @Chosen Daughter!
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Re: Trump to cruise lines: If you want American coronavirus relief, try being American companies fir
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2020, 05:35:24 pm »
I'm sure Liberia has enough resources to bail them out.
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Re: Trump to cruise lines: If you want American coronavirus relief, try being American companies fir
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2020, 09:43:18 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 28, 2020, 05:12:37 pm
I, for one, will not forget.  Thanks, @Chosen Daughter!

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When he does right I have said so.  Unfortunately many times he caves.  Hope he doesn't cave on bailouts for the Cruise lines.
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Re: Trump to cruise lines: If you want American coronavirus relief, try being American companies fir
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2020, 12:29:39 am »
Holland America Cruise Lines Headquarters - Holland America Line N.V., 450 Third Avenue West, Seattle, WA 98119 USA

Carnival Cruise Lines - 3655 NW 87th Avenue. Miami, FL

Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines - 1050 Caribbean Way Miami, FL

Disney Cruise Lines - 210 Celebration Place, Suite 400, Celebration, FL
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2020, 12:50:39 am »
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Holland America Cruise Lines Headquarters - Holland America Line N.V., 450 Third Avenue West, Seattle, WA 98119 USA

Carnival Cruise Lines - 3655 NW 87th Avenue. Miami, FL

Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines - 1050 Caribbean Way Miami, FL

Disney Cruise Lines - 210 Celebration Place, Suite 400, Celebration, FL

Yes, they maintain US offices, but where are they flagged?  RCI is Norway, and all the senior staff are Norwegians.  My old company is a Dutch firm, and they have corporate offices in Austin, TX.  They are not a Texas company, but I've heard them called that.
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Re: Trump to cruise lines: If you want American coronavirus relief, try being American companies fir
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2020, 05:11:19 am »
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Holland America Cruise Lines Headquarters - Holland America Line N.V., 450 Third Avenue West, Seattle, WA 98119 USA

Carnival Cruise Lines - 3655 NW 87th Avenue. Miami, FL

Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines - 1050 Caribbean Way Miami, FL

Disney Cruise Lines - 210 Celebration Place, Suite 400, Celebration, FL

Interesting.  The story was that they weren't paying taxes.  If they do then this story is more fake news from Trump.
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Re: Trump to cruise lines: If you want American coronavirus relief, try being American companies fir
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2020, 11:41:46 am »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 30, 2020, 12:29:39 am
Holland America Cruise Lines Headquarters - Holland America Line N.V., 450 Third Avenue West, Seattle, WA 98119 USA

Carnival Cruise Lines - 3655 NW 87th Avenue. Miami, FL

Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines - 1050 Caribbean Way Miami, FL

Disney Cruise Lines - 210 Celebration Place, Suite 400, Celebration, FL

But where are they incorporated? And in what country are the ships flagged? Just because they have a US headquarters office, does not mean they are a US corporation and pay US taxes. Not to mention that the crews are primarily made of up of foreigners who also do not pay US taxes on their wages not to mention the cruise lines are not subject to US DOL and health and safety laws.

https://thehustle.co/the-economics-of-cruise-ships/

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But it is especially adept at the practice: Carnival is incorporated in Panama and flies the flags of Panama and the Bahamas; Norwegian is incorporated in, and flies the flag of, the Bahamas; Royal Caribbean has been incorporated in Liberia since 1985, and flies the flags of the Bahamas and Malta.

These impoverished countries often compete with each other to offer cruise lines the cheapest services, much like many US cities groveled for Amazon’s HQ2 by offering large tax cuts.

“Cruise lines want to register somewhere where they pay no taxes, are exempt from labor and wage statues, and don’t have to follow health and safety codes,” says Jim Walker, a Miami-based maritime lawyer. “They’re looking for a place that will leave them alone, not oversee their operations.”

For the most part, that’s what cruise companies have gotten: According to annual report filings, the major cruise lines pay an average tax rate of 0.8% — for below the 21% US corporate tax rate.

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Registering ships abroad also shelters cruise companies from US employment and safety laws.

Cruise ships hire crew members from Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, and  “anywhere else you can find people willing to work for nothing,” and demand grueling workloads in exchange for comparatively paltry wages.

The standard contract for a crew member like a cleaner or dishwasher requires a mandatory 308 hours per month — 11 hours a day, 7 days a week, for as long as 8-10 months, with no days off — for the equivalent of $400-700 per month, or $1.62 to $2.27 per hour.

Unprotected by labor laws and regulations, crew members who get injured on the job are swiftly replaced, like “fungible goods.”
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Re: Trump to cruise lines: If you want American coronavirus relief, try being American companies fir
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2020, 02:30:58 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on March 30, 2020, 05:11:19 am
Interesting.  The story was that they weren't paying taxes.  If they do then this story is more fake news from Trump.

I'm not the least bit surprised the cruise lines have corporate offices in the US.  I used to work for a Dutch corporation that had a headquarters in Austin.  But, their ships all fly the flag of foreign countries.  Why do you suppose that is?  Nationalism?  LOL!

You make a big, fat assumption so you can call Trump a liar, once again.  You are as transparent as water.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2020, 03:29:13 pm »
Quote from: Neverdul on March 30, 2020, 11:41:46 am
But where are they incorporated? And in what country are the ships flagged? Just because they have a US headquarters office, does not mean they are a US corporation and pay US taxes. Not to mention that the crews are primarily made of up of foreigners who also do not pay US taxes on their wages not to mention the cruise lines are not subject to US DOL and health and safety laws.

https://thehustle.co/the-economics-of-cruise-ships/

Yeah they wouldn't be able to operate and they'd all have gone out of business a long time ago if the ships were flagged in the U.S.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2020, 03:33:20 pm »
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Yeah they wouldn't be able to operate and they'd all have gone out of business a long time ago if the ships were flagged in the U.S.

Very, very true.  The downside for them is they make themselves targets of negative public opinion when they're flying a Norwegian flag and asking for US taxpayer dollars.  If Trump does one thing well, it's scapegoating.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2020, 03:37:12 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 30, 2020, 03:33:20 pm
Very, very true.  The downside for them is they make themselves targets of negative public opinion when they're flying a Norwegian flag and asking for US taxpayer dollars.  If Trump does one thing well, it's scapegoating.

Now correct me if I'm wrong...but I don't recall in any of the talk about corporate bailouts started...that the Cruise Lines asked for any money.

I know it became "news"...but it seems more like they got lumped in with the Airlines that are asking for handouts yet again.

It's like it was a non news story that suddenly became news.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2020, 03:48:51 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 30, 2020, 03:37:12 pm
Now correct me if I'm wrong...but I don't recall in any of the talk about corporate bailouts started...that the Cruise Lines asked for any money.

I know it became "news"...but it seems more like they got lumped in with the Airlines that are asking for handouts yet again.

It's like it was a non news story that suddenly became news.

It depends on who you ask.

Casinos, Cruise Lines Poised for Aid as Bailout List Grows

Meanwhile, Forbes is saying they "never asked."

Why Cruise Lines Should Be At The End Of The Bailout Line


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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2020, 03:54:36 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 30, 2020, 03:48:51 pm
It depends on who you ask.

Casinos, Cruise Lines Poised for Aid as Bailout List Grows

Meanwhile, Forbes is saying they "never asked."

Why Cruise Lines Should Be At The End Of The Bailout Line


 :shrug:

I'll take Forbes word over "we're not going to write stories on any candidate but Trump" Bloomberg...for obvious reasons.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2020, 04:04:01 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 30, 2020, 03:54:36 pm
I'll take Forbes word over "we're not going to write stories on any candidate but Trump" Bloomberg...for obvious reasons.

I would too.  It's possible the cruise lines were not the real target of Trump's statement, but rather the people who are pushing for a bailout of cruise lines.  I am much more amenable to helping the casinos than the cruise lines, but I'm biased.  Casinos are the "town industry" in the community I now live in.  8,000 employees were idled when the Governor of Nevada ordered all casinos to close until at least 4/17.  The city "only" has 35,000 total population, many retirees like me.
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