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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2550 on: May 29, 2020, 02:56:12 am »
The problem in suburbia is that all the "natural" water is so polluted you don't dare swim in it...

That should be telling you something. Jussayin.  :whistle:

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2551 on: May 29, 2020, 02:56:59 am »
05-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  7.888 ↑  2.024 ↓
United States  4.827 ↑  3.546 ↓
China 16.894 ↑  1.060 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 855,538
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 34.2 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 38.6 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2552 on: May 29, 2020, 03:17:50 am »
Interesting.  This article mentions an African American man with clots in the lungs, but they were identified while he was alive, no autopsy needed:

This small Texas hospital is finding ways to save COVID-19 patients

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-15/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients

Great article. Gives a lot of hope.
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« Reply #2553 on: May 29, 2020, 09:50:09 am »
Great article. Gives a lot of hope.
Can't get past the pop up to read it.
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« Reply #2555 on: May 29, 2020, 05:04:29 pm »
@truth_seeker

Good article.  Thanks for posting.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients/ar-BB14m0IG


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A lung doctor specializing in intensive care, he’d managed emergency rooms at larger hospitals, spoken a half-dozen languages in clinics around the world. When SARS erupted in Asia, Varon flew to Singapore to learn how to treat it. Now he was pulling 20-hour shifts, phoning medical students late at night to scan the latest research.

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Cervantes was not put on a ventilator. Though the breathing machines have become commonplace, Varon believes they decrease survival rates to about 20%.

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So far, all 50 patients treated on the unit have lived.  “I don’t know what place in the U.S. knows more about COVID than this little hospital — the treatment and the social issues,” Varon said.


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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2556 on: May 29, 2020, 06:21:21 pm »
@Smokin Joe

Try this:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients/ar-BB14m0IG
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Varon, who has also been consulting with colleagues in China, Italy and Spain, employs a treatment of steroids, blood thinners, Vitamin C and hydroxychloroquine, one of the drugs touted by President Trump.
Steroids (anti inflammatory) to ward off the cytokine storm that has been a likely contributing factor to mortality. Blood thinners to prevent clotting, vitamin C and hydroxychloroquine as antivirals and an ionophore. His patients still have to work through the disease, but are surviving better without dependence on the ventilators, which seem to lower survival rates (although the patients are in bad shape when they are put on the ventilator to begin with).

This makes sense, thanks.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2557 on: May 29, 2020, 06:26:39 pm »
If you are fighting this off at home, it is important to lay face down to reduce stress on your lungs.  Exercise your lungs by performing repetitions of breathing in and out while maximizing the volume of each breath.  And get an O2 monitor that you can wear on your finger to gauge the severity of diminished lung capacity.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2558 on: May 29, 2020, 07:00:49 pm »
If you are fighting this off at home, it is important to lay face down to reduce stress on your lungs.  Exercise your lungs by performing repetitions of breathing in and out while maximizing the volume of each breath.  And get an O2 monitor that you can wear on your finger to gauge the severity of diminished lung capacity.
Many hospitals place patients on their backs and generally keep them there. When I had pneumonia, I changed my posture as much as possible to help my lungs drain to make it easier to clear the mucous out.
Staying in one position would not have helped clear them out.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2559 on: May 29, 2020, 11:12:40 pm »
‘Superspreaders’ Could Actually Make Covid-19 Easier to Control

The disease that was the main focus of the paper was the coronavirus-caused Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome that had emerged in China two years before and spread rapidly into several other Asian countries and Canada before being contained. The authors devised a new variable, “k,” to reflect the distribution of individual infectiousness, with a low k meaning a more skewed spread. They assigned SARS a k of 0.16. Estimates of the k of the pandemic influenza of 1918 hover around 1, journalist and molecular biologist Kai Kupferschmidt reported last week in an excellent Science magazine account of the superspreading phenomenon. In response to the article, the lead author of the 2005 Nature study, Jamie Lloyd-Smith of the University of California at Los Angeles, tweeted that his provisional estimate of Covid-19’s k is 0.17. (Epidemiology Twitter is where it’s at, people.)

What can we do with these estimates of k? In 2005, Lloyd-Smith and his co-authors ran computer simulations of thousands of hypothetical epidemics, and found that diseases with a k nearing 0.1 were much more likely to fizzle out on their own or be stopped by modest control measures than those with a k of 0.5 or higher.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2560 on: May 29, 2020, 11:28:24 pm »
Re: the ventilator issue @Smokin Joe

Northwell Health probing ventilator use amid high coronavirus death rate

Northwell — which runs Lenox Hill, Long Island Jewish and Staten Island University hospitals, as well as other regional hospitals — is examining a cohort of 12,000 coronavirus patients it treated in March and early April, including about 2,000 who were placed on ventilators.

“We’re trying to do a retrospective review. The debate is, should we have tried other non-invasive interventions in the first place? A big question is, can you delay putting patients on a ventilator or never put them on?” McGinn said.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/northwell-health-probing-use-of-ventilators-for-covid-patients/
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« Reply #2561 on: May 30, 2020, 12:07:22 am »
Now I am beginning to understand why Cuomo asked for more ventilators.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2562 on: May 30, 2020, 02:08:26 am »
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2563 on: May 30, 2020, 02:10:13 am »


...and we can thank God for this....
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2564 on: May 30, 2020, 02:31:54 am »
05-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  8.001 ↑  2.016 ↓
United States  4.970 ↑  3.452 ↓
China 16.895 ↑  1.060 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 860,174
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 35.0 %  ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 39.3 %  ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Global Recovery-to-Death ratio surpasses 8.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2565 on: May 30, 2020, 03:15:24 am »
Re: the ventilator issue @Smokin Joe

Northwell Health probing ventilator use amid high coronavirus death rate

Northwell — which runs Lenox Hill, Long Island Jewish and Staten Island University hospitals, as well as other regional hospitals — is examining a cohort of 12,000 coronavirus patients it treated in March and early April, including about 2,000 who were placed on ventilators.

“We’re trying to do a retrospective review. The debate is, should we have tried other non-invasive interventions in the first place? A big question is, can you delay putting patients on a ventilator or never put them on?” McGinn said.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/northwell-health-probing-use-of-ventilators-for-covid-patients/
It will take a thorough and well conducted study to sift through the complicating factors when it comes to ventilator use. Did the patients die
.... because of underlying conditions?
.....Cytokine response?
....because the disease was so advanced that by the time they went on the ventilator they were already in serious trouble?
Did the ventilators exacerbate some condition that led to a bad outcome?
Did they cause damage?

Or would the patients simply have died anyway and the vents saved who they did instead?

A lot of variables to sort, and I hope some good science is done there.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2566 on: May 30, 2020, 03:19:28 am »
A lot of variables to sort, and I hope some good science is done there.

Why start now?
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« Reply #2567 on: May 30, 2020, 03:26:58 am »
Why start now?
For the novelty of it. There are still good doctors out there, good scientists as well. They just seldom get the headlines and the limelight because they are more interested in truth than being paraded around and playing politics. Sometimes truth is unpopular, sometimes it does not lead to a profit, and sometimes it contraindicates what the lobbyists want.
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« Reply #2568 on: May 30, 2020, 05:55:14 am »
For the novelty of it. There are still good doctors out there, good scientists as well. They just seldom get the headlines and the limelight because they are more interested in truth than being paraded around and playing politics. Sometimes truth is unpopular, sometimes it does not lead to a profit, and sometimes it contraindicates what the lobbyists want.

For the novelty of corona. LOL.

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« Reply #2569 on: May 30, 2020, 03:01:24 pm »
Does anyone really give a shit about this anymore? It's clear from the media coverage of the riots that it's 90% BS.

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« Reply #2570 on: May 30, 2020, 03:04:14 pm »
Does anyone really give a shit about this anymore? It's clear from the media coverage of the riots that it's 90% BS.

I do find it interesting that the institutinalizaton of masks has made law enforcement's job more difficult identifying and charging rioting perps.
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« Reply #2571 on: May 30, 2020, 06:09:21 pm »
For the novelty of corona. LOL.

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Nah, Fred, for the novelty of doing good science.

There are still a few of us out here.
It's highly unlikely that we will ever be in prominent positions because we wouldn't sign off on lies.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2572 on: May 31, 2020, 04:44:48 am »
Does anyone really give a shit about this anymore? It's clear from the media coverage of the riots that it's 90% BS.

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Isn't that true of all of them in the last 50 years in the US?

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« Reply #2573 on: May 31, 2020, 02:14:17 pm »
Does anyone really give a shit about this anymore? It's clear from the media coverage of the riots that it's 90% BS.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2574 on: May 31, 2020, 07:34:26 pm »
05-31-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  8.148 ↑  2.004 ↓
United States  5.071 ↑  3.394 ↓
China 16.897 ↑  1.060 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 866,978
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 35.5 %  ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 39.7 %  ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio surpasses 5.
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