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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #175 on: March 16, 2020, 09:03:29 pm »
The message is clear to me.  If we do NOT contain this now, we could pay the consequences later on and the economic downturn could be worse.  What makes you think that we couldn't see the same consequences Italy is suffering with an 8% mortality rate?

The measures taken now are to prevent the overwhelming of the healthcare system as happened in Italy.

Even though our system is far better than Italy's, and even though they had many, many Chinese workers there, they didn't take preventative measures until it was too late.

Because of what's happening here, we will not repeat what happened there.

If we have ample medical supplies here in Ohio (and we do) that we never have to use, we will have won this battle.
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« Reply #176 on: March 16, 2020, 09:05:31 pm »
The powers that be here in the SF Bay Area have decreed a three week closure of ‘non essential’ businesses. Three weeks.

This is gonna hurt.

Yes everyone is going to face some kind of difficulty unless you are fortunate enough to be financially independently wealthy. Every financial plan will be disrupted and may not recover for awhile and many will be out of work for weeks if not more making it extremely difficult for them. I would only hope that some employers who can afford to do so will pitch in and help. We need to help one another as best as we can.

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« Reply #177 on: March 16, 2020, 09:05:50 pm »
Give it two/three more weeks. Everything comes to an end, it all ends eventually.
20 years from now Corona will be in the history books. Samer as all the others.
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« Reply #178 on: March 16, 2020, 09:08:55 pm »
Precautions = prevention of spreading this virus and containing it.

We have never 'contained' a virus in the wild, ever.

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It is not going to happen over night and a lot of people are going to face economic hardship. If we don't contain this a lot of people are going to be facing the hardship of losing a loved one or loved ones. 

economic hardship??? Shutting the whole thing off for maybe months? That is an understatement of epic proportions.

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« Reply #179 on: March 16, 2020, 09:10:21 pm »
Well, I'm clearly not as much of a cynic as a few of you here are, but in listening to press conferences about the medical crisis we're facing and the steps that are being taken here in Ohio, I feel confident that the measures healthcare professionals and scientists are advising are being taken to keep us alive.

Since this is uncharted territory, obviously no one knows for sure what will work best.  In Great Britain they're taking a hands off approach (like they did in Italy) and are treating it like a flu virus where exposure creates immunity.

They're guessing.

I prefer a more aggressively preventative approach (again, the one recommended by people in health care) that will keep more people from being exposed and keep the ventilators available for the people who need them the most.

My very conservative husband who was in hospital administration for over 40 years concurs.  We both sat in our family room and watched the video stream of our church service and were very thankful that churches are taking a responsible and loving approach to what could be very dangerous for the public.

The economy in Ohio will surely recover.   Some of the victims of COVID-19 won't.

So how long should things be 'shut down'?   Considering that the reported incubation period for this particular virus can be up to 24 days vs. the official 2-14 days.... would shutting the country down for a month help more than harm?   I don't see how.  I see a lot of people dying from services and products being unavailable due to shut downs.   :shrug:
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« Reply #180 on: March 16, 2020, 09:11:01 pm »
What makes you think that we couldn't see the same consequences Italy is suffering with an 8% mortality rate?

  • A population density less than one-sixth that of Italy
  • Far superior health care system
  • Younger population
  • Advance knowledge and preventative steps
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« Reply #181 on: March 16, 2020, 09:13:28 pm »
We have never 'contained' a virus in the wild, ever.

economic hardship??? Shutting the whole thing off for maybe months? That is an understatement of epic proportions.

They don't realize that a multi-month shut down would result in the complete collapse of the economy.  Hell, it may happen anyway.... but why help the demise along?   Wouldn't be the first or only time that government intervention has caused such a disaster.   
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« Reply #182 on: March 16, 2020, 09:18:55 pm »
They don't realize that a multi-month shut down would result in the complete collapse of the economy.  Hell, it may happen anyway.... but why help the demise along?   Wouldn't be the first or only time that government intervention has caused such a disaster.

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« Reply #183 on: March 16, 2020, 09:20:29 pm »
So how long should things be 'shut down'?   Considering that the reported incubation period for this particular virus can be up to 24 days vs. the official 2-14 days.... would shutting the country down for a month help more than harm?   I don't see how.  I see a lot of people dying from services and products being unavailable due to shut downs.   :shrug:

I'm not sure what you've been reading, but people aren't going to be "dying from services and products being unavailable due to shut downs."

NOBODY requires a spaghetti dinner at a restaurant or a beer at a bar to survive.

There are measures in place here to provide unemployment for the weeks that are temporarily out of work.  Grocery stores and pharmacies will continue to be open and churches will step up and provide even more services for people in need.

IMO, the economy is more likely to crash if nothing is done to stop this disease.
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I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #184 on: March 16, 2020, 09:22:16 pm »
  • A population density less than one-sixth that of Italy
  • Far superior health care system
  • Younger population
  • Advance knowledge and preventative steps

Those "preventative steps" are exactly what people here are griping about.  :shrug:

I say, TAKE THEM, and prevent what happened in Italy from happening here.

Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #185 on: March 16, 2020, 09:22:51 pm »
I haven't read a word from the leftist media......... just listened to healthcare experts, scientists, pastors and those who have nothing to gain from any meltdown of the economy (including the President and VP who spoke with our Governor today).

Prevention is the way to keep this from becoming what it has been in Italy.  Prevention.

The left may be cheering on disease and economic collapse, but good people all over the country are trying to prevent both.

The idea is to minimize the crisis so that our healthcare facilities and hospitals can handle the increase in cases and those who are at great health risk.

Flattening out the line is imperative to keeping this under control.
This, I agree with. Keeping the peak of the infection (number of cases) curve low, while the area under it might remain the same over the run of the disease is key to keeping mortality down. Mortality will go up by multiples if the facilities, personnel, and equipment available to treat serious cases do not outnumber or equal the number of serious cases, because the correct care will not be available for the number of serious cases which exceed capacity.

This is the only area the raw numbers really matter, in a statistical sense. Cases requiring care vs capacity to deliver that care.

We can't get rates, really, because we may never know how many mild cases requiring no medical treatment and people otherwise exposed but who sought no medical attention there are out there. Without that denominator, those infected but never even tested, we can't even calculate mortality rates.

Yes,  slowing infection rates down is good. But that comes with a caveat: If the economy slows to the point where the often unsung but vitally necessary services and goods are no longer available, then the situation will go from serious and warranting concern to critical.

For as long as needless panic (versus rational concern) can be avoided, those goods will flow, perhaps in increased numbers to match demand, and what is needed will be more likely to be there when it is needed.
 
But if the warehouse guys don't show, if the trucks don't roll, if the containers don't come off the ship, sooner or later there won't be tubing, IVs, medications, etc.--even toilet paper to use when the chips are really down.

If that becomes the case, the mortality rate will spike, because serious cases which otherwise might have recovered will not for lack of supplies or care..
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« Reply #186 on: March 16, 2020, 09:27:19 pm »
I'm not sure what you've been reading, but people aren't going to be "dying from services and products being unavailable due to shut downs."

NOBODY requires a spaghetti dinner at a restaurant or a beer at a bar to survive.

There are measures in place here to provide unemployment for the weeks that are temporarily out of work.  Grocery stores and pharmacies will continue to be open and churches will step up and provide even more services for people in need.

IMO, the economy is more likely to crash if nothing is done to stop this disease.

I certainly hope and pray that you are right about that.   And yes, I have become quite the cynic.   Can't help it.    :shrug:
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« Reply #187 on: March 16, 2020, 09:31:48 pm »
I certainly hope and pray that you are right about that.   And yes, I have become quite the cynic.   Can't help it.    :shrug:

I get it.

And I wouldn't promise anything about the nutcase leftist states like California, but if you look at a map of the states, you'll see that most of us have Republican Governors who will take care of small businesses and the people who are being hurt by the shutdowns.

We're going to get through this.  We are!
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #188 on: March 16, 2020, 09:35:55 pm »
It's reported that Italy also suffered because people did not heed those "preventative steps", how people are fussing about this, I don't know.

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« Reply #189 on: March 16, 2020, 09:43:02 pm »


If that becomes the case, the mortality rate will spike, because serious cases which otherwise might have recovered will not for lack of supplies or care..

Exactly my concern.   Thank you for articulating it so well (as usual).   888high58888
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« Reply #190 on: March 16, 2020, 09:44:19 pm »
I get it.

And I wouldn't promise anything about the nutcase leftist states like California, but if you look at a map of the states, you'll see that most of us have Republican Governors who will take care of small businesses and the people who are being hurt by the shutdowns.

We're going to get through this.  We are!

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« Reply #191 on: March 16, 2020, 09:46:53 pm »
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #192 on: March 16, 2020, 11:54:39 pm »
Do I have to post the "Lighten Up, Francis" meme again?
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« Reply #193 on: March 17, 2020, 12:48:40 am »
Okay, I don't know what some messages mean and they were deleted, but I hope someone is controlling the "Member Editorials" forum because, as said about 12 hours ago, there is more where this belongs. I hate doing this but it seems necessary.

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« Reply #194 on: March 17, 2020, 12:59:12 am »
Okay, I don't know what some messages mean and they were deleted, but I hope someone is controlling the "Member Editorials" forum because, as said about 12 hours ago, there is more where this belongs. I hate doing this but it seems necessary.

Messages deleted?  I must check this out....

ETA...Oh...I see what you mean.  Are you volunteering?  You have a lot on your plate.
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« Reply #195 on: March 17, 2020, 01:04:07 am »
1.  Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far. 

34 hours later 87

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I posted elsewhere that the deaths and confirmed cases seem to be doubling every 3 days.  We could be in the thousands by April and when we run out of hospital beds the death rate could escalate faster.

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« Reply #196 on: March 17, 2020, 01:59:36 am »
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« Reply #197 on: March 17, 2020, 02:15:07 am »
34 hours later 87

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


Again, that number is never going to go down.  It can only go up.  A more useful statistic would be the ratio of recoveries to deaths.  At some point, this number will rise, and then eventually level out.  Today, it stands at 11.06.  But you do everyone a disservice by posting death numbers being updated several times each day when the counting of recoveries lags far behind.  Perhaps you should count the number of people who have it and are still alive or on their way to recovery.  It may not push the political narrative you want, but it would certainly boost the morale on this forum.

Or you could calculate the ratio of cases to recoveries.  When it rises, it means new cases are outpacing recoveries.  But when it begins to drop, it means we are past the hump.  And once we stop getting new cases, this ratio will move closer to 1.  Today it stands at 2.30. 


I posted elsewhere that the deaths and confirmed cases seem to be doubling every 3 days.  We could be in the thousands by April and when we run out of hospital beds the death rate could escalate faster.

So your concern is that the number of confirmed cases is doubling every 3 days?  That is what happens when you begin testing more and more people.  More cases are discovered.  Should we stop?  Again, recoveries is what we need to be looking for here.
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« Reply #198 on: March 17, 2020, 02:26:38 am »

But you do everyone a disservice by posting death numbers being updated several times each day when the counting of recoveries lags far behind.

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