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« Reply #150 on: April 04, 2020, 02:53:44 am »
I think that to be a wholly emotional response.

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« Reply #151 on: April 04, 2020, 10:13:34 am »
I think that to be a wholly emotional response.
@roamer_1 @DB It  is to some extent, but that extent may be justified. Our situations are sometimes similar, but often different, too.

Everyone has their own perception of risk, some informed, some not so much. but most of the folks here who want to be are informed.  Add to that our individual health issues, how well we have responded in the past to viral bugs, our own immune systems which we may know best, but we still are dealing with something new here.

Past performance is no guarantee of future returns.
 
For all we know, the virus is mutating in the urban bioreactors where death rates are higher, hospitals are overwhelmed, and people are just too close together to avoid breathing each other's air. @roamer_1 , we are fortunate in that regard, to be already fairly well separated from teeming masses of humanity (and whatever pathogens they may harbor) that simply cannot be avoided in the scrum unless you stay locked down of have serious protective gear used right.

While it is a little bit of a crapshoot, some math might help. Keep in mind this isn't precise, nor do I claim it to be.

Example 1:

My county has five confirmed cases. Population roughly 33,500 (although I think that may be low). Still, working with what is 'official", that sets current odds of encountering one of these folks if they were not in their homes or the hospital at 5:33,500, at 0.014%, or roughly, I could statistically expect to encounter one person with the virus for every 6,700 people I met.
Okay, obviously, that isn't realistic, because those people are sick and they know it, and probably not wandering in Walmart.
Lat's assume each person, on average, infected ten others, who are "unknowns" (a high number, likely more like 2.5 to 5 at most, especially here), but that would mean I would statistically have to run across (assuming the known positives are sequestered) 570 people to meet one infected.

Now, people don't act that way, so chances are I'd run across a couple who got it from the first cases at a time, but we'll go with a nice round number that ups the odds at 1 per 500 people. I can hit three grocery stores and not see that many people to exchange air with right now, so I figure my odds of going to the store and getting back uninfected are pretty darned good, especially if I avoid people who are sneezing, flushed in appearance, and generally just keep some decent distance between me and them.

In all fairness, there are a lot of people in this country who just don't have that option, that space, and their risk may be higher of catching the disease given the same number of encounters, because the range of contact, the shared volume of air is much smaller, so they are more likely to breathe in what other folks are breathing out, and not long after it got breathed out.

But, let's look at New York City. (Example 2:)

Whoa. 8,500,000 people. With 100+K infected, the odds of meeting someone infected are 1 in 85 (actually more, because there are over 100K infected there.) There's a lot more shared spaces and surfaces in closer quarters so they just don't have the option there I do here of just standing back without stepping on someone's toes.

In other words, their likelihood of catching something are significantly greater than mine are here because of confined spaces and short range contact. As I have noted, there are buildings in NYC with more people living in them than our whole county.

There are 27,000 people per square mile in NYC.
 Here, there are 11 people per square mile.

That's a whole lot more air to breathe here before recycling someone else's air molecules. Anyone can look up their population density and get an idea of their odds overall, but that might not reflect the differences between buildings, blocks, or even towns, and definitely not rural vs urban, which is why I am against one size fits all rules administered from the Federal level.

Either the intrepid, the reckless, or those taking precautions and measuring their general health against risk would be out, given a chance.

(Those who see the risk as too great are folks I'd be happy to deliver stuff to or stock shelves for during the outbreak, and I'll wear gloves and a mask if they want. That's a service, and you cater to the customer. )

Besides, the oil patch is slow right now, and may be for the foreseeable short term anyway, even though Trump is working on getting the Saudis and Russians back to the table to end the dumping of crude oil which is going to hurt the US in short order, but is hurting them, too.
I wash my hands before I leave, and again when I get back, and resist the urge to fiddle with my mustache in the meantime.

Yep, with fewer folks out, it's likely to spread slower, but the rest of us could keep the economy going at a reduced pace.
Maybe that is too risky elsewhere, but that should be for the people who live there to decide.

BTW, I noticed there was a zinc supplement in the store, so I grabbed a bottle. Might help, might not, but I figured I'd try it.

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« Reply #152 on: April 04, 2020, 03:27:59 pm »
@roamer_1 @DB It  is to some extent, but that extent may be justified. Our situations are sometimes similar, but often different, too.

Everyone has their own perception of risk, some informed, some not so much. but most of the folks here who want to be are informed.  Add to that our individual health issues, how well we have responded in the past to viral bugs, our own immune systems which we may know best, but we still are dealing with something new here.

Past performance is no guarantee of future returns.
 
For all we know, the virus is mutating in the urban bioreactors where death rates are higher, hospitals are overwhelmed, and people are just too close together to avoid breathing each other's air. @roamer_1 , we are fortunate in that regard, to be already fairly well separated from teeming masses of humanity (and whatever pathogens they may harbor) that simply cannot be avoided in the scrum unless you stay locked down of have serious protective gear used right.

While it is a little bit of a crapshoot, some math might help. Keep in mind this isn't precise, nor do I claim it to be.

Example 1:

My county has five confirmed cases. Population roughly 33,500 (although I think that may be low). Still, working with what is 'official", that sets current odds of encountering one of these folks if they were not in their homes or the hospital at 5:33,500, at 0.014%, or roughly, I could statistically expect to encounter one person with the virus for every 6,700 people I met.
Okay, obviously, that isn't realistic, because those people are sick and they know it, and probably not wandering in Walmart.
Lat's assume each person, on average, infected ten others, who are "unknowns" (a high number, likely more like 2.5 to 5 at most, especially here), but that would mean I would statistically have to run across (assuming the known positives are sequestered) 570 people to meet one infected.

Now, people don't act that way, so chances are I'd run across a couple who got it from the first cases at a time, but we'll go with a nice round number that ups the odds at 1 per 500 people. I can hit three grocery stores and not see that many people to exchange air with right now, so I figure my odds of going to the store and getting back uninfected are pretty darned good, especially if I avoid people who are sneezing, flushed in appearance, and generally just keep some decent distance between me and them.

In all fairness, there are a lot of people in this country who just don't have that option, that space, and their risk may be higher of catching the disease given the same number of encounters, because the range of contact, the shared volume of air is much smaller, so they are more likely to breathe in what other folks are breathing out, and not long after it got breathed out.

But, let's look at New York City. (Example 2:)

Whoa. 8,500,000 people. With 100+K infected, the odds of meeting someone infected are 1 in 85 (actually more, because there are over 100K infected there.) There's a lot more shared spaces and surfaces in closer quarters so they just don't have the option there I do here of just standing back without stepping on someone's toes.

In other words, their likelihood of catching something are significantly greater than mine are here because of confined spaces and short range contact. As I have noted, there are buildings in NYC with more people living in them than our whole county.

There are 27,000 people per square mile in NYC.
 Here, there are 11 people per square mile.

That's a whole lot more air to breathe here before recycling someone else's air molecules. Anyone can look up their population density and get an idea of their odds overall, but that might not reflect the differences between buildings, blocks, or even towns, and definitely not rural vs urban, which is why I am against one size fits all rules administered from the Federal level.

Either the intrepid, the reckless, or those taking precautions and measuring their general health against risk would be out, given a chance.

(Those who see the risk as too great are folks I'd be happy to deliver stuff to or stock shelves for during the outbreak, and I'll wear gloves and a mask if they want. That's a service, and you cater to the customer. )

Besides, the oil patch is slow right now, and may be for the foreseeable short term anyway, even though Trump is working on getting the Saudis and Russians back to the table to end the dumping of crude oil which is going to hurt the US in short order, but is hurting them, too.
I wash my hands before I leave, and again when I get back, and resist the urge to fiddle with my mustache in the meantime.

Yep, with fewer folks out, it's likely to spread slower, but the rest of us could keep the economy going at a reduced pace.
Maybe that is too risky elsewhere, but that should be for the people who live there to decide.

BTW, I noticed there was a zinc supplement in the store, so I grabbed a bottle. Might help, might not, but I figured I'd try it.
I'm in agreement.  We need to get back to work, possibly with a mask on, but the economy has to be restarted....NOW.

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« Reply #153 on: April 04, 2020, 03:37:39 pm »
I'm in agreement.  We need to get back to work, possibly with a mask on, but the economy has to be restarted....NOW.

Our business is still open and all of our employees are working. We are not open to the public. We are in a large city (Phoenix metro area) so care must be taken.

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« Reply #154 on: April 04, 2020, 03:49:39 pm »
Our business is still open and all of our employees are working.
That's good to hear.
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« Reply #155 on: April 04, 2020, 04:01:55 pm »
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« Reply #156 on: April 04, 2020, 04:05:18 pm »
More than 80 residents of Texas City nursing home test positive for new coronavirus

Houston Chronicle by  Nick Powell and Brooke A. Lewis April 3, 2020

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-City-nursing-home-residents-test-positive-15177308.php

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The Galveston County Health District announced Friday that 83 residents and employees at the Texas City facility had tested positive for the novel coronavirus, or COVID-19. The spate of positive cases led the county health district to issue an order enforcing restrictions on long-term care facilities, with the goal of conducting tests of residents and employees across the county.

Nursing homes have for weeks been at the forefront of concern for spread of the virus among a vulnerable population, prompting the federal government to direct facilities to prohibit “all visitors and non-essential health care personnel, except for certain compassionate care situations, such as an end-of-life situation.”

An Associated Press tally from media reports and state health departments found that at least 450 deaths and nearly 2,300 infections have been linked to coronavirus outbreaks in nursing homes nationwide.

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« Reply #157 on: April 04, 2020, 04:12:33 pm »
From swing sets to adult novelty shops, 311 calls report social distancing violators in Houston area

Houston Chronicle by  St. John Barned-Smith April 3, 2020

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/coronavirus-calls-social-distancing-porn-shops-311-15176972.php

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Nightclubs were open until the early morning hours, callers complained. Churches were packed with parishioners. And gyms and restaurants kept operating, sneaking patrons in through back doors.

Records show the city’s 311 call-line has received more than 700 complaints of such violations about COVID-19 related problems. The list shows a cross-section of life in Houston — with residents complaining about churches, kids playing basketball, loud restaurants, even adult entertainment stores — and offers a glimpse into ways some businesses tried to wiggle out of orders to shut down.

Even as the pandemic has picked up speed in Texas, many state residents appear to have shrugged off warnings about social distancing. A photo in Austin of scores of sunbathers hanging out at Barton’s Springs drew widespread criticism on social media. In Houston, photos of residents playing volleyball at city parks led to similar criticism, and big box stores like Dillards closed after public shaming by a prominent local TV reporter.

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« Reply #158 on: April 04, 2020, 04:17:21 pm »
Turner: city workers sickened by COVID-19 will be covered by workers comp, not lose benefits

Houston Chronicle by Jasper Scherer Staff writer April 3, 2020

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/City-denies-Houston-firefighter-s-COVID-19-15177190.php

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The city will assume that any employee who tests positive for the new coronavirus contracted it while on duty, Mayor Sylvester Turner said Friday, hours after the Houston firefighters union announced that one of its members was denied workers compensation benefits related to COVID-19.

The issue came to light after Tristar Risk Management, the third-party claims administrator that handles workers compensation for the city, told a firefighter who said he was exposed to COVID-19 “there is no evidence that … the risk of contracting COVID-19 is inherent in your specific type of employment or that disease was indigenous to your work or present in an increased degree in that work.” Tristar’s response to the firefighter indicated that he had tested negative for the virus.

In a statement Friday morning, Houston firefighters union president Marty Lancton blasted Turner, who he previously has feuded with over firefighters’ pay and the city’s denial of cancer-related workers comp benefits.

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« Reply #160 on: April 05, 2020, 01:56:31 am »

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/04/coronavirus-texas-44-state-investigates-san-antonio-nursing-home/

As of April 4, Texas reports at least 6,110 coronavirus cases

The Texas Department of State Health Services is tracking COVID-19 cases in Texas by county. The numbers are reported by local health officials and may not represent all cases of the disease given limited testing capacity.

State data released April 4 shows that as of 8 p.m. April 3, there were at least 6,110 coronavirus cases in Texas. There were 105 reported deaths. At least 63,751 tests have been run.

County   Number of cases   Deaths

Harris   1,106   13
Dallas   921   17
Travis   430   4
Tarrant   383   7
Bexar   342   9
Denton   273   6
Collin   256   2
Fort Bend   255   2
Lubbock   138   4
Brazoria   136   1

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Statewide   6,110   105

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« Reply #161 on: April 06, 2020, 02:45:32 am »
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/05/coronavirus-texas-state-reports-6812-cases-127-deaths/

As of April 5, Texas reports at least 6,812 coronavirus cases

The Texas Department of State Health Services is tracking COVID-19 cases in Texas by county. The numbers are reported by local health officials and may not represent all cases of the disease given limited testing capacity.

State data released April 5 shows that as of 8 p.m. April 4, there were at least 6,812 coronavirus cases in Texas. There were 127 reported deaths. At least 70,938 tests have been run.

County   Number of cases   Deaths

Harris   1,284   17
Dallas   1,015   18
Travis   460   6
Tarrant   404   9
Bexar   384   11
Denton   288   6
Fort Bend   268   5
Collin   256   3
Galveston   222   0
Lubbock   151   4

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Statewide   6,812   127

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« Reply #162 on: April 06, 2020, 08:42:26 am »
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« Reply #163 on: April 06, 2020, 11:30:51 am »
This healthdata site projects "peak resource use" in Texas on April 19. Also projects no shortage of hospital beds or ICU beds. I have no idea whether these figures bear any resemblance to reality.
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« Reply #164 on: April 06, 2020, 02:51:07 pm »
Best info available.


https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

The one thing I don't like about this site is that they do not list the number of recoveries from the virus.
Other that that they do.

This is the link to my county site, Fort Bend, and it does list recovered, for the county, anyway.

https://covid-19-fort-bend-county-response-fbcgis.hub.arcgis.com/

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« Reply #165 on: April 06, 2020, 03:14:17 pm »
I ordered a pizza from one of our local pizza establishments last night.  I'm fairly good friends with the owner and am trying to help them stay in business.  The owner handed me my pizza and as we visited for a bit, mind you 20 feet apart, he proceeded to tell me that one of his now laid off employees had come in contact with someone with the virus.  The owner didn't think the guy had the virus, but if he did, then all of the employees were likely exposed.  I'm standing there holding this pizza thinking….do I throw it in the trash or take it home to eat.  Yup....I ate the pizza.....hope it wasn't a mistake.  I won't be going back for a few months.....

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« Reply #166 on: April 06, 2020, 03:24:56 pm »
I ordered a pizza from one of our local pizza establishments last night.  I'm fairly good friends with the owner and am trying to help them stay in business.  The owner handed me my pizza and as we visited for a bit, mind you 20 feet apart, he proceeded to tell me that one of his now laid off employees had come in contact with someone with the virus.  The owner didn't think the guy had the virus, but if he did, then all of the employees were likely exposed.  I'm standing there holding this pizza thinking….do I throw it in the trash or take it home to eat.  Yup....I ate the pizza.....hope it wasn't a mistake.  I won't be going back for a few months.....

Nuke it in the microwave... To be sure...

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« Reply #167 on: April 06, 2020, 03:31:40 pm »
Out of 31 that we know of now infected, we've had 2 deaths.  One is a nurse and the other is a special needs lady in her 40's.

May God comfort their families..... 

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« Reply #168 on: April 06, 2020, 04:37:55 pm »
I ordered a pizza from one of our local pizza establishments last night.  I'm fairly good friends with the owner and am trying to help them stay in business.  The owner handed me my pizza and as we visited for a bit, mind you 20 feet apart, he proceeded to tell me that one of his now laid off employees had come in contact with someone with the virus.  The owner didn't think the guy had the virus, but if he did, then all of the employees were likely exposed.  I'm standing there holding this pizza thinking….do I throw it in the trash or take it home to eat.  Yup....I ate the pizza.....hope it wasn't a mistake.  I won't be going back for a few months.....

Here is my checklist ordering pizza, and  grocery pickups too for that matter.  (Kind of an offshoot of my health department and laboratory days as a youngster)

1. Pre-sterilize staging station in kitchen. I use a cloth wipe and 10% bleach solution.  Have egresses like doors open @delivery so knobs are not cross contaminated.
2. Like Papa Johns or others have the delivery placed on a pedestal, and have them back off 10 feet.
3. Take box(es) to disinfection station.
4. Double wipe each box with bleach solution, with box at least getting moist at every point, and a one second contact all 100% of the surface.  Including bottoms of box.
5. Open disinfected boxes, and wth thongs,
6. Re-disinfect thongs, and relocate each piece to a clean household container. Close and refigerate what you don't use.
7. After all pieces have been relocated, and making sure door egress is open, move empty boxes to trash recepticle.
8. Disnfect all door knobs and staging station with bleach solution.
9. Wash hands as CDC directs.
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« Reply #169 on: April 06, 2020, 04:41:58 pm »
Can't I just eat the pizza while wearing surgical gloves and sitting on the front porch, and then wash up afterwards?
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« Reply #170 on: April 06, 2020, 05:08:27 pm »
Friday March 27th, we placed a curbside pick up order with HEB.
I took 5 days for them to do it.
We picked up the groceries Wednesday April 1st.
On Saturday the 4th, we decided to try it again.
The store said it couldn't fulfill the order and directed us to other nearby dtores.
The earliest pickup was April the 13th, 9 days.
We didn't place the order.
We decided just to drive to the Super Target.
They had all the groceries, but they were out of a few things.
Pasta, Cleaning products like Clorox, Lysol, wipes, etc. and Paper Towels and Toilet paper.
Between making the 1st list, then driving to Target, then wiping everything down when we got home, it took 5 hours.
I guess it was okay.
We weren't doing anything else, anyway.

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« Reply #171 on: April 06, 2020, 05:08:58 pm »
Here is my checklist ordering pizza, and  grocery pickups too for that matter.  (Kind of an offshoot of my health department and laboratory days as a youngster)

1. Pre-sterilize staging station in kitchen. I use a cloth wipe and 10% bleach solution.  Have egresses like doors open @delivery so knobs are not cross contaminated.
2. Like Papa Johns or others have the delivery placed on a pedestal, and have them back off 10 feet.
3. Take box(es) to disinfection station.
4. Double wipe each box with bleach solution, with box at least getting moist at every point, and a one second contact all 100% of the surface.  Including bottoms of box.
5. Open disinfected boxes, and wth thongs,
6. Re-disinfect thongs, and relocate each piece to a clean household container. Close and refigerate what you don't use.
7. After all pieces have been relocated, and making sure door egress is open, move empty boxes to trash recepticle.
8. Disnfect all door knobs and staging station with bleach solution.
9. Wash hands as CDC directs.

Are you wearing the thongs?


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« Reply #172 on: April 06, 2020, 05:42:16 pm »
Here is my checklist ordering pizza, and  grocery pickups too for that matter.  (Kind of an offshoot of my health department and laboratory days as a youngster)

1. Pre-sterilize staging station in kitchen. I use a cloth wipe and 10% bleach solution.  Have egresses like doors open @delivery so knobs are not cross contaminated.
2. Like Papa Johns or others have the delivery placed on a pedestal, and have them back off 10 feet.
3. Take box(es) to disinfection station.
4. Double wipe each box with bleach solution, with box at least getting moist at every point, and a one second contact all 100% of the surface.  Including bottoms of box.
5. Open disinfected boxes, and wth thongs,
6. Re-disinfect thongs, and relocate each piece to a clean household container. Close and refigerate what you don't use.
7. After all pieces have been relocated, and making sure door egress is open, move empty boxes to trash recepticle.
8. Disnfect all door knobs and staging station with bleach solution.
9. Wash hands as CDC directs.

What about the pizza?

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« Reply #173 on: April 06, 2020, 06:07:59 pm »
What about the pizza?

Most of the pizza places are claiming "no touch" placement, which is pretty always been the practice if you watch them prepare them. 

As far as the pizza, I nuke it till the cheese is boiling.  But that may be me, being over-careful.

BTW, I also toss the condiments.  Not worth the chance.
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« Reply #174 on: April 06, 2020, 06:10:23 pm »
If you have been watching the press conferences, Dr Birx talks about the IHME model and how she gets fresh data every morning at 2 a.m. and they go to work to update their predictions.  This morning these are the changes they noted for Texas:

-Peak hospital use now projected on 4/19 instead of 5/6, peak daily deaths now projected on 4/20 instead of 5/6
-Total deaths projected to be 2,025 instead of 6,392
-Under 20 deaths per day on 5/12 instead of 6/9

Source, with projections for overall US and several other states: 

https://twitter.com/Alicia_Smith19/status/1247140405826682885