Mike Pence’s 2024 Presidential Campaign Has Already Begun

[libertybele]

Pres. Trump has forever changed the political landscape.

And there is no other like him on the horizon.

Good Luck.   /s

In both positive and negative ways.  He proclaimed that he was going to lock Hillary up and drain the swamp ... neither has happened.  A lot of corruption has been uncovered, but no one has been held accountable, allowing the left to go in full attack mode with their Russian collusion and Impeachment.  Neither were fully successful, but they got away with both, with little repercussion.  They now know that they can get away with anything; even under Trump.

He has made some remarkable accomplishments and that is a positive.  Whether or not those will be enough to get him re-elected remains to be seen, especially with the coronavirus b.s. being thrown right at him.  Putting Pence in charge of that I think is going to prove to be huge mistake regardless of what happens.  I don't know if he has the authority to fire people within the CDC, but if he does, his first stop should be to fire Rosenstein's sister.  Coincidence?  Absolutely not.

[Snarknado]

Ted Cruz is the obvious choice.  He was second to Trump in 2016 and has been a staunch supporter and defender of Donald Trump.

Ted is brilliant, a core conservative, attractive and fun.  Pence is a nice guy, but Ted's the one.

I think Cruz would be a better president than Pence but I don't think either has what it takes to get elected. BTW, remind me - who was the last repub to get elected out of the Senate?

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@aligncare

Yeah,but a family dynasty ain't going to happen here. It reeks of Royalty.

Yeah, normally I would agree. But these aren’t normal times.  Trump’s getting himself elected gave republicans, conservatives, disaffected democrats, independents a chance to look into the gapping maws of an entitled political class we hadn’t imagined before; an arrogant permanent bureaucracy (the deep state) in love with itself and it’s power. They illegally tried to destroy a man and nullify his voters’ vote.

No, Trump’s two terms won’t be enough, we’re gonna need a bigger boat on this one. And if no one emerges who appears big enough to take the hits and punch back successfully, I could vote for Donald Trump the second until others can step up.

[libertybele]

Yeah, normally I would agree. But these aren’t normal times.  Trump’s getting himself elected gave republicans, conservatives, disaffected democrats, independents a chance to look into the gapping maws of an entitled political class we hadn’t imagined before; an arrogant permanent bureaucracy (the deep state) in love with itself and it’s power. They illegally tried to destroy a man and nullify his voters’ vote.

No, Trump’s two terms won’t be enough, we’re gonna need a bigger boat on this one. And if no one emerges who appears big enough to take the hits and punch back successfully, I could vote for Donald Trump the second until others can step up.

I would vote for Don Jr., IF he stood conservatively on issues.  Never would I vote for him just because his last name is Trump.  Riding on Daddy's coattails isn't going to cut it for me -- he has to be able to convey where he stands, which direction he's going to take this country and how he plans on getting us there.

[ArneFufkin]

In both positive and negative ways.  He proclaimed that he was going to lock Hillary up and drain the swamp ... neither has happened.  A lot of corruption has been uncovered, but no one has been held accountable, allowing the left to go in full attack mode with their Russian collusion and Impeachment.  Neither were fully successful, but they got away with both, with little repercussion.  They now know that they can get away with anything; even under Trump.

He has made some remarkable accomplishments and that is a positive.  Whether or not those will be enough to get him re-elected remains to be seen, especially with the coronavirus b.s. being thrown right at him.  Putting Pence in charge of that I think is going to prove to be huge mistake regardless of what happens.  I don't know if he has the authority to fire people within the CDC, but if he does, his first stop should be to fire Rosenstein's sister.  Coincidence?  Absolutely not.

First, he never "proclaimed" to lock up Hillary.  Are you serious?  In what fantasy world do you envision Hillary Clinton being indicted by a DC Grand Jury from corrupt DC prosecutors or convicted at trial by a DC jury?   C'mon.

Second, the FBI and DoJ have been totally cleansed of upper management.  They're all gone except for Wray, who needs to be nuked as well.   The NSA is being "treated" by pesticide experts as well.  Again, wait on the Barr/Durham investigation to finish.  If there is crime, I expect indictments.  I don't care if they are "prosecutable" with a jury of retired/disabled Federal workers ... do it.  Make them "pay" attorneys like the rapacious Mueller prosecutors made General Flynn and Carter Page pay.   Bankrupt Strozk and Lisa Page.   

And, the CDC?  That's the only legitimate health organization on Earth.   If we relied on the WHO, we'd all be DEAD from Ebola.

I do agree with one thing:  The Democrats and Media are looking to "Katrina" Trump.

[ArneFufkin]

Yeah, normally I would agree. But these aren’t normal times.  Trump’s getting himself elected gave republicans, conservatives, disaffected democrats, independents a chance to look into the gapping maws of an entitled political class we hadn’t imagined before; an arrogant permanent bureaucracy (the deep state) in love with itself and it’s power. They illegally tried to destroy a man and nullify his voters’ vote.

No, Trump’s two terms won’t be enough, we’re gonna need a bigger boat on this one. And if no one emerges who appears big enough to take the hits and punch back successfully, I could vote for Donald Trump the second until others can step up.

Donald Trump Junior DEFINITELY has notions.

[ArneFufkin]

That's what I thought as well. If this  turns out to be a nothing in the US...it will help him. If it turns out to be huge...it is hung on his neck.

Why?   He was a Governor, he's a manager and administrator of complex agencies and bureaucracies.

How about just being optimistic that he will succeed?

Hopefully, the "global warming' scourge that the Left always is harping on will show up and this virus, like most, will die.

[bilo]

Pres. Trump has forever changed the political landscape.

And there is no other like him on the horizon.

Good Luck.   /s

This is the problem for the Pubs and an opening for the Rats.

I don't see a dynamic candidate on the horizon who can not only deal with the never ending lies of the Rats but also the smears of the media like Trump has. If I'm betting I would bet on the Rats winning in 2024. It's why I'm eliminating as much debt as possible by then. Once the Rats get back in you can bet the economy is going down and taxes are going up.

[libertybele]

This is the problem for the Pubs and an opening for the Rats.

I don't see a dynamic candidate on the horizon who can not only deal with the never ending lies of the Rats but also the smears of the media like Trump has. If I'm betting I would bet on the Rats winning in 2024. It's why I'm eliminating as much debt as possible by then. Once the Rats get back in you can bet the economy is going down and taxes are going up.

Well, I'm sure you realize that the economy is tanking right now.  Regardless, the economy was Trump's ace in the hole, and that is no longer his safety net.  No wall.  Illegal immigration numbers have doubled.  The swamps isn't drained. No one on the left has been held responsible ... so ... as of now the platform that he has is he's the alternative to socialism.  The average Joe is going to suffer and social programs may start to  look pretty darn good to most and that could very easily open the door for a DEM win in 2020.  If that happens, you will not see a Pub seated for a very very long time.  2024 statistically is the DEMS to loose.

[libertybele]

Why?   He was a Governor, he's a manager and administrator of complex agencies and bureaucracies.

How about just being optimistic that he will succeed?

Hopefully, the "global warming' scourge that the Left always is harping on will show up and this virus, like most, will die.

Even IF the virus dies out once the weather changes, the impacts have already been felt. Globally.  It's going to be a slow recovery, and I use recovery very lightly.  Even IF a vaccine is created, it's not going to be perfect.  Just like the flu vaccine -- it's hit or miss if they guess which flu vaccine will be more effective for that particular flu season. Yes, there is argument that it's not a flu virus, however it acts and spreads just as rapidly.

They are hoping that warmer weather will make it disappear ... but if it doesn't, then this becomes a whole other ballgame.

[bilo]

Well, I'm sure you realize that the economy is tanking right now.  Regardless, the economy was Trump's ace in the hole, and that is no longer his safety net.  No wall.  Illegal immigration numbers have doubled.  The swamps isn't drained. No one on the left has been held responsible ... so ... as of now the platform that he has is he's the alternative to socialism.  The average Joe is going to suffer and social programs may start to  look pretty darn good to most and that could very easily open the door for a DEM win in 2020.  If that happens, you will not see a Pub seated for a very very long time.  2024 statistically is the DEMS to loose.

Hang in there, the economy is not tanking. The markets are down, but they will go back up as soon as the factories in China gear up. The coronavirus issue will pass in a couple months. The 2nd gtr gdp will be lower than hoped for, but the 3rd gtr will be great because of the ramped up production here and the supply chain being up to speed and those products will begin selling in big numbers.

You're right the swamp isn't drained and leftists are not being held accountable. A big problem!

However, we are getting more judges confirmed and increasingly the courts are ruling in Trump's favor. The recent rulings on immigrants being self sufficient and sanctuary cities not getting funds are good examples.

Also, lower income wages are rising.

We are much better off!

[bilo]

Even IF the virus dies out once the weather changes, the impacts have already been felt. Globally.  It's going to be a slow recovery, and I use recovery very lightly.  Even IF a vaccine is created, it's not going to be perfect.  Just like the flu vaccine -- it's hit or miss if they guess which flu vaccine will be more effective for that particular flu season. Yes, there is argument that it's not a flu virus, however it acts and spreads just as rapidly.

They are hoping that warmer weather will make it disappear ... but if it doesn't, then this becomes a whole other ballgame.

The coronovirus is not going to be the black plague. The death rates are wildly exaggerated because in China a lot of people who got it were never recorded as having it and recovered. The young and healthy appear to recover from it fairly easily. Lets put it in perspective, over 14,000 have died this year because of the flu. Right now the "sky is falling" crowd is leading a panic which the Rats and media are happy to exploit.

[aligncare]

The coronovirus is not going to be the black plague. The death rates are wildly exaggerated because in China a lot of people who got it were never recorded as having it and recovered. The young and healthy appear to recover from it fairly easily. Lets put it in perspective, over 14,000 have died this year because of the flu. Right now the "sky is falling" crowd is leading a panic which the Rats and media are happy to exploit.

 

[sneakypete]

I don't see Jeb trying again, he made an absolute fool out of himself the first time around.

 

@libertybele

The Bush Crime Family are now rudderless with Babs dead. She was the brains in the family,and the "Alpha male".

I doubt any of the current generation will ever get elected to anything other than a minor office in Texas from this point forward.

[sneakypete]

It's a sad day when a pious, honorable man like Mike Pence is not "trusted".

 

@ArneFufkin

Well,it IS possible to not be trusted for reasons other than character. Depends on what aspect of "trust" you are focused on. If you are going to focus strictly on his character,I have no doubt he will pass any test.

On the other hand,if you want to focus on his ability to get bills passed,get them kicked back,and to push the cause of conservatism/Americanism forward in order to be trusted,that is an unknown at this point because as far as I can tell,he has been pretty quiet and not known for liking to rock the boat.

I am NOT claiming he wouldn't be willing and able to do so,nor am I claiming he would be willing to do so. I am saying at this point no one seems to know a lot about him,but Trump seems to be giving him a little responsibility now to let the sun shine on him,and we will see how he handles himself when "at the point of the sword".

[sneakypete]

Ted Cruz would be the natural choice for nominee; however, the DEMS hate him almost as much as Trump.

@libertybele

That is a GOOD thing. Cruz is clerly VERY bright and I WANT to like him,but there is just something about him I can't define at this point that causes me to not trust him. The Dims hating him is a DEFINITE positive in MY book,though.

As for Pence being the natural choice --- Trump just did him a disservice by appointing him to take on the coronavirus.

Maybe,maybe not. Time will tell. For all we know Pence has never risen to the top of the heap because he was never in a position to be challenged with leadership on anything important before this.

I am sure there are posters here who know him better than either of us,so let them speak before condemning him.

[sneakypete]

In both positive and negative ways.  He proclaimed that he was going to lock Hillary up and drain the swamp ... neither has happened.

Huh? Has he already served two terms,is ready to leave office,and nobody woke me?

A lot of corruption has been uncovered, but no one has been held accountable, allowing the left to go in full attack mode with their Russian collusion and Impeachment.  Neither were fully successful, but they got away with both, with little repercussion.  They now know that they can get away with anything; even under Trump.

See the above.

 

[sneakypete]

I think Cruz would be a better president than Pence but I don't think either has what it takes to get elected. BTW, remind me - who was the last repub to get elected out of the Senate?

@Snarknado

When was the last President elected who had never held public office before?

[sneakypete]

Hang in there, the economy is not tanking. The markets are down, but they will go back up as soon as the factories in China gear up. The coronavirus issue will pass in a couple months. The 2nd gtr gdp will be lower than hoped for, but the 3rd gtr will be great because of the ramped up production here and the supply chain being up to speed and those products will begin selling in big numbers.

You're right the swamp isn't drained and leftists are not being held accountable. A big problem!

However, we are getting more judges confirmed and increasingly the courts are ruling in Trump's favor. The recent rulings on immigrants being self sufficient and sanctuary cities not getting funds are good examples.

Also, lower income wages are rising.

We are much better off!

@bilo

You trying to harsh the @libertybele buzz? Trump HAS to be failing or she just can't be happy.

[libertybele]

Huh? Has he already served two terms,is ready to leave office,and nobody woke me?


See the above.

??? Huh??? He would be more likely to be re-elected if he had built the wall and drained the swamp as promised.  His strong suit has been the economy ... granted we are several months out ... but the market is heading into unknown territory with 1,000 pt. daily drops in a global economy.  Not exactly the backdrop any president would want going into an election.

There is nothing that he can do to turn this economic downturn around.  It is completely out of his control and you know as well as I do that the DEMS will blame him.  If it gets to the point that people loose their jobs or loved ones, it will be Trump's fault in their eyes. Bernie's freebies will start looking pretty good. 

[sneakypete]

??? Huh??? He would be more likely to be re-elected if he had built the wall and drained the swamp as promised. 

What color is the sky on your home planet? ANY President's goal is to accomplish as much as he can in his first term,while leaving himself with no strong opposition to a second term,when he can step on all the toes he wants because he won't be running again.

Given the current atmosphere he needed to focus as much as possible on the economy,and stopping the illegal alien invasion. NOBODY you can name could have accomplished more than he did with either. If the invasion wasn't slowed down there would be no need to have any more elections because America would disappear as an independent nation.

Creatures like Hillary,Hunter Biden,etc,etc,etc are going nowhere,and are issues that can be dealt with during a second term.

 
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[libertybele]

What color is the sky on your home planet? ANY President's goal is to accomplish as much as he can in his first term,while leaving himself with no strong opposition to a second term,when he can step on all the toes he wants because he won't be running again.

Given the current atmosphere he needed to focus as much as possible on the economy,and stopping the illegal alien invasion. NOBODY you can name could have accomplished more than he did with either. If the invasion wasn't slowed down there would be no need to have any more elections because America would disappear as an independent nation.

Creatures like Hillary,Hunter Biden,etc,etc,etc are going nowhere,and are issues that can be dealt with during a second term.

The sky on my planet is the same color as yours.  You and I understand and recognize what he's accomplished in light of the DEM opposition and obstruction.  I completely and fully understand that if the invasion wasn't slowed that it would be mathematically impossible for another GOP to be seated... I get that. IF the left is seated, that will also become reality.  That's not the point.  The wall still isn't built, anyway you look at it. That's reality. Also, no one on the left has been held responsible, nor indicted.  Their corruption hasn't ended -- obviously. Trump not being able to stop that corruption, may cost him his re-election. That is where you and I aren't seeing eye to eye.

He's not going to see a 2nd term if the economy tanks and we head into a recession.  You and I are smart enough to know the corruption and aren't going to blame Trump --- but there are a lot of liberal mental midgets out there who perhaps were going to vote for him, that won't.  He can't win without creating a larger voting base.

Back to him not being able to stop the corruption -- I still cannot help but question as I have from the very beginning why on earth he would appoint Rosenstein who was so tied to both Bammy and Clinton? It just plain doesn't make sense.  Now Rosenstein's sister is head of the CDC's Respiratory Illnesses.  Coincidence?  Not in my books.

Just my opinion.

[The_Reader_David]

Just no.  Ted Cruz or Nikki Haley.  I quite like her -- executive experience and she's the only person to serve in the Trump administration, without either being a Trump sycophant or leaving under a cloud from the point of view of hard-core Trump supporters.  As an added bonus she'd give the identity-politics-driven Left fits between being a woman and her South Asian ancestry.  Actually, I keep hoping Trump will find a way to shunt Pence aside and pick Haley as his running mate in 2020.  Not going to happen, unless maybe the Pence-led coronavirus effort goes south and throwing Pence under the bus is way for Trump to minimize the fallout, which is not something I'd really like to see happen as a price for getting her on the ticket.

[Fishrrman]

Mike Pence may very well be elected president after Mr. Trump.
But... it will be like Bush 1 after Ron Reagan.

That is to say, Pence, although likable and well-meaning, will be ineffectual and end up a single-termer, accomplishing little. He hasn't the fire of Trump, and will not be able to hold up against the caterwauling assault of the leftists and the fellow-travelin' media.

I'm wonderin' who from the democrat-communists will win in 2028...?

[libertybele]

Just no.  Ted Cruz or Nikki Haley.  I quite like her -- executive experience and she's the only person to serve in the Trump administration, without either being a Trump sycophant or leaving under a cloud from the point of view of hard-core Trump supporters.  As an added bonus she'd give the identity-politics-driven Left fits between being a woman and her South Asian ancestry.  Actually, I keep hoping Trump will find a way to shunt Pence aside and pick Haley as his running mate in 2020.  Not going to happen, unless maybe the Pence-led coronavirus effort goes south and throwing Pence under the bus is way for Trump to minimize the fallout, which is not something I'd really like to see happen as a price for getting her on the ticket.

The thought also ran through my head that this may be a way to get rid of Pence as he brings absolutely nothing to the table.  Trump picks Cruz -- that's going to be a pretty hard ticket to beat and the two of them would be unstoppable -- he should have picked him from the get go. Trump/Haley would be good too.   Perhaps even Trump/Huckabee.

Looking forward to the 2024 election -- Cruz/Haley or Cruz/Ernst would be a very strong ticket.  That is provided that Trump wins re-election in 2020 -- if not, we won't see another GOP seated for quite a long time.