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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #75 on: February 08, 2020, 09:30:03 PM »
Respectfully disagree Myst.

It would have leaked.  This is better.   So what if they sue the CinC?   

He and his odious twin were moles and betrayers.    Public humiliation is better, and the predictable MSM/Dimm outrage only amplifies his treachery.   DoD needs to handle his career at this juncture. 

Transfer him out of the WH.  Get RID of all of them.  I kinda like one proposal that the NSC be moved across the Potomac and out of the White House.   They're entrenched enemies until proven otherwise IMO.

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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #76 on: February 08, 2020, 09:37:04 PM »
Respectfully disagree Myst.

It would have leaked.  This is better.   So what if they sue the CinC?   There is a "problematic" little thing called ... Discovery.  That NONE of the Palace Coup participants can ever survive.

He and his odious twin were moles and betrayers.   I never thought it possible .. but they may be more despicable Americans than the "Castro Twins".   Public humiliation is better, and the predictable MSM/Dimm outrage only amplifies his treachery.   DoD needs to handle his career at this juncture. 

Transfer him out of the WH.  Get RID of all of them.  I kinda like one proposal that the NSC be moved across the Potomac and out of the White House.   They're entrenched enemies until proven otherwise IMO.

Yep...I agree with just about everything you said except the fact that Trump shouldn't have said it...let someone else leak it there are plenty of avenues for that..
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #77 on: February 08, 2020, 09:37:06 PM »
I've read the quotes from the LTC that reprimanded him during an exercise in Germany.  That's different than referring to his performance evaluations.  The rebuke given to Vindman about his comments to some Russian and Ukranian soldiers that degraded his fellow soldiers is different than what Trump is hinting at in his comments today.

BTW @txradioguy I do not think any of that is what the President was referring to. I continue to believe he was referring to Morrison's testimony in the House impeachment hearings which, I do believe were public.

The relevant part is about 2 hrs and 20 minutes in IIRC

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« Reply #78 on: February 08, 2020, 09:41:04 PM »
@Bigun the very fact he mentioned the performance evaluations (Officer Evaluation Report) means he's seen them and knows he had at least one bad one in there.  You want to split hairs to try and defend Trump running his mouth on this and I get that.  He doesn't have to mention a specific OER to be in violation.

The Privacy Act of 1974 and FOIA are very specific with these types of evaluations. 

And for everyone rah-raging Trump doing this...do a little introspection and ask yourself how pissed would you be if Hillary or Obama or President Sanders (God forbid) pulled the same stunt on an officer who'd been critical of them and make disparaging comments about performance reviews of an officer that had been critical of one of them.

Y'all would have veins exploding in your foreheads over the mere thought of that happening.

I'm not defending what Vindman did and he deserved to be let go from his position so does his brother.  He stepped in it big time and it's very safe to say he's reached terminal rank in his military career.

But he's still a member of the uniform armed forces just like I am and as such deserves the same protections just as he deserves the same punishments for wrong doing as any soldier does.

Just because the person he dared to challenge was the President doesn't strip him of those protections just because the pitchfork and torches crowd wants it that way.

Sorry, but this is a CIVILIAN led and sanctioned military and President Trump is the Commander in Chief.   

Do you think the Vindman Brothers were thrown on one of Elon Musk's rockets and jettisoned into the Oort Cloud?

They'll get re-assigned to some unknown command, quit and go to some Lefty think tank and MSNBC punditry.

The VINDMANS ... their brother Leonid is a money-man in the Ukraine corrupt "feeding frenzy" ... are in trouble.  Period.

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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #79 on: February 08, 2020, 09:41:46 PM »
Yep...I agree with just about everything you said except the fact that Trump shouldn't have said it...let someone else leak it there are plenty of avenues for that..

Therein lies the problem...Trump can never keep himself in check. We've seen this movie too many times, Trump turns bulls in a china shop into prima ballerinas.
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #80 on: February 08, 2020, 09:44:37 PM »
Yep...I agree with just about everything you said except the fact that Trump shouldn't have said it...let someone else leak it there are plenty of avenues for that..

We both sigh at times, Myst, with Trump's impatience and "prickliness"

It's who he is.  And, it's what we're going to see.  I'm sanguine about it.   Putting a small container of OJ in my teeth as I shake my head!    happy77

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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #81 on: February 08, 2020, 09:48:00 PM »
@Bigun the very fact he mentioned the performance evaluations (Officer Evaluation Report) means he's seen them and knows he had at least one bad one in there.  You want to split hairs to try and defend Trump running his mouth on this and I get that.  He doesn't have to mention a specific OER to be in violation.

The Privacy Act of 1974 and FOIA are very specific with these types of evaluations. 

And for everyone rah-raging Trump doing this...do a little introspection and ask yourself how pissed would you be if Hillary or Obama or President Sanders (God forbid) pulled the same stunt on an officer who'd been critical of them and make disparaging comments about performance reviews of an officer that had been critical of one of them.

Y'all would have veins exploding in your foreheads over the mere thought of that happening.

I'm not defending what Vindman did and he deserved to be let go from his position so does his brother.  He stepped in it big time and it's very safe to say he's reached terminal rank in his military career.

But he's still a member of the uniform armed forces just like I am and as such deserves the same protections just as he deserves the same punishments for wrong doing as any soldier does.

Just because the person he dared to challenge was the President doesn't strip him of those protections just because the pitchfork and torches crowd wants it that way.

Well said, @txradioguy . I bolded what I thought is the money quote. We're agreeing with the staunch Trump supporters that he was right to send the Vindmans packing. Not to put words in your mouth, we simply think public pronouncements on Vindman's OER are improper.

I'm having difficulty understanding why that is creating so much contentiousness here tonight.

I'm outta here, anyway...Zags play St. Mary's in 15 minutes, and I'm ready for a pregame beer.  :beer:
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #82 on: February 08, 2020, 09:51:40 PM »
Therein lies the problem...Trump can never keep himself in check. We've seen this movie too many times, Trump turns bulls in a china shop into prima ballerinas.

So what?

Trump OWNS CNN and MSNBC and most all the hysterical sociopaths that comprise the MSM/Dem elite these days.

This has ALWAYS been a 30/40/30 country.  Back to the Revolution Days.   30% wanted to leave the English King, 30% were dead set against it and ... 40% weren't really paying attention and only looked about who was winning at the operative time.

WE care about Trump's Tweets only because we are paying attention.  Nobody who is going to vote for Trump's great economy and social values in any swing state has the first idea about what he "tweeted" today.   

The SOTU was ANYTHING but "Bull in the China Shop".  It was the best I've seen.  He was positive, inclusive and stalwart.
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« Reply #83 on: February 08, 2020, 09:57:00 PM »
So what?

Trump OWNS CNN and MSNBC and most all the hysterical sociopaths that comprise the MSM/Dem elite these days.

This has ALWAYS been a 30/40/30 county.  Back to the Revolution Days.   30% wanted to leave the English King, 30% were dead set against it and ... 40% weren't really paying attention and only looked about who was winning at the operative time.

WE care about Trump's Tweets only because we are paying attention.  Nobody who is going to vote for Trump's great economy and social values in any swing state has the first idea about what he "tweeted" today.   

The SOTU was ANYTHING but "Bull in the China Shop".  It was the best I've seen.  He was positive, inclusive and stalwart.

You're killing me! I thought the SOTU address was a fantastic speech. It just didn't take long before Trump reverted to his regular self.

I've already said I'm voting for Trump, at least the Trump that I saw Tuesday night, so you don't need to waste Myst's bandwidth converting me to the cause.
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #84 on: February 08, 2020, 10:01:43 PM »
You're killing me! I thought the SOTU address was a fantastic speech. It just didn't take long before Trump reverted to his regular self.

I've already said I'm voting for Trump, at least the Trump that I saw Tuesday night, so you don't need to waste Myst's bandwidth converting me to the cause.

That IS Trump!  So was everything after the SOTU, including the National Prayer Day speech and his "Acquittal Celebration" that was legitimate, righteous and REALLY bonding for the GOP coalition going forward.

Hopefully Mitt gets into the mix.  For you.
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« Reply #85 on: February 08, 2020, 10:05:19 PM »
You're killing me! I thought the SOTU address was a fantastic speech. It just didn't take long before Trump reverted to his regular self.

I've already said I'm voting for Trump, at least the Trump that I saw Tuesday night, so you don't need to waste Myst's bandwidth converting me to the cause.
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« Reply #86 on: February 08, 2020, 10:15:55 PM »
22222frying pan but you must agree..... lol
Just a thought... you can fight not to lose, a typical republican tactic, or you can fight to win, Trump.

Trump "dumped" the puffy Vindmans and sent them OUT ... OUT .. of the NSC.

Get the NSC OUTTA the White House until the Obama termites and cockroaches can be terminated by "Terminex"  Send them over the river and GET THEM OUT of the WH until the Quislings are gone.

This is shaping up to be the most corrupt, State sponsored criminal conspiracy in human history.  I believe that.

Bolton was making money from Ukraine oligarchs.  So was Mitt.  The Clintons, Bidens, Kerrys  ... everyone. 

WE TAXPAYERS were funding this through corrupt Obama functionaries. 

Man, oh, man.   


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« Reply #87 on: February 08, 2020, 11:13:06 PM »
Then he failed.

He has succeeded beyound your capability.

This is WAR.  It ... is.  This was a OPEN and CORRUPT political, media and lawbreaking overthrow of our duly elected President of the United States.  It's deep, dark and evil.   I saw it happening and I am not happy.  Won't EVER happen again.

Think about that.  Where do YOU stand?  I'm curious to know.


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« Reply #88 on: February 08, 2020, 11:57:35 PM »
As long as the Dems protect these people all we have is speculation and not enough to meet the requirements for even an Article 32 investigation.  It's all circumstantial.

The Vindman brothers will retire and be in their dotage before there is ever enough proof to back up what we all think happened.

That graph screams conspiracy to overthrow the Executive Branch of the United States. 

Wonder how our goverment would have responded to this say 150-200 years ago.   13859 :cool:
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« Reply #89 on: February 09, 2020, 12:45:26 AM »
Trump "dumped" the puffy Vindmans and sent them OUT ... OUT .. of the NSC.

Get the NSC OUTTA the White House until the Obama termites and cockroaches can be terminated by "Terminex"  Send them over the river and GET THEM OUT of the WH until the Quislings are gone.

This is shaping up to be the most corrupt, State sponsored criminal conspiracy in human history.  I believe that.

Bolton was making money from Ukraine oligarchs.  So was Mitt.  The Clintons, Bidens, Kerrys  ... everyone. 

WE TAXPAYERS were funding this through corrupt Obama functionaries. 

Man, oh, man.
There's a word for all that: Kickbacks.
And it was just a small fraction of the aid we gave them from our generous taxpayers' pockets.
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« Reply #90 on: February 09, 2020, 04:56:34 AM »
I here there is such an opening at Thule Greenland!
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« Reply #91 on: February 09, 2020, 05:00:19 AM »
There is also an older brother, Leonid, who runs an investment/consulting company that specializes in projects in "Central Eastern Europe, Russia, the Caucasus and Central Asia region."  http://www.tungstencapitaladvisors.com/Leadership.html

Presumably, that would include Ukraine and there were several Ukraine investment round-tables moderated by the older Vindman.  Is there anyone connected with the Neocon/Clinton/Obama machine in any way that doesn't have their greedy hands in the corrupt sewers of Russia and Ukraine?   John Bolton was paid $115K for a speech by Ukranian oligarch and huge Clinton Foundation donor Victor Pinchuk.   Romney's "special advisor" in his 2012 campaign,  Cofer Black, joined Hunter Biden on the Burisma board in 2017.   

It just reeks.
Indeed it does. IIRC, they were both involved in the dossier business as well, had offices across from each other.   :2popcorn:
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« Reply #92 on: February 09, 2020, 05:17:55 AM »
I'll see that and raise you one immediate federal investigation into Hillary Clinton and her Foundation...her daughter being no different than Hunter Biden, in that she wasn't worth what she was earning....BEFORE she declares as a candidate for POTUS.
Already in the soup.  FBI has an investigation involving the Clinton Foundation.  Started in '18.

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« Reply #93 on: February 09, 2020, 05:34:01 AM »
He has succeeded beyound your capability.

This is WAR.  It ... is.  This was a OPEN and CORRUPT political, media and lawbreaking overthrow of our duly elected President of the United States.  It's deep, dark and evil.   I saw it happening and I am not happy.  Won't EVER happen again.

Think about that.  Where do YOU stand?  I'm curious to know.
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« Reply #94 on: February 09, 2020, 07:36:51 AM »
Already in the soup.  FBI has an investigation involving the Clinton Foundation.  Started in '18.
How many there are reliable? It seems like the result of the investigations so far is to expose the weaknesses of those involved in this corruption so the evidence (and witnesses) can be eliminated.

As ever, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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« Reply #95 on: February 09, 2020, 07:51:09 AM »
How many there are reliable? It seems like the result of the investigations so far is to expose the weaknesses of those involved in this corruption so the evidence (and witnesses) can be eliminated.

As ever, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Exactly.  Those corrupt are investigating themselves -- just like during the Mueller investigation.
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« Reply #96 on: February 09, 2020, 09:14:54 AM »
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There is also an older brother, Leonid, who runs an investment/consulting company that specializes in projects in "Central Eastern Europe, Russia, the Caucasus and Central Asia region."  http://www.tungstencapitaladvisors.com/Leadership.html

@ArneFufkin

IMAGINE THAT!

Why,if I were the suspicious type, I might link that with the children of VERY prominent Dim politicians sitting on eastern european boards who have never even had a paper route previously,and come to the "TREASON" conclusion.

Not to mention the fact we need to find a "Happy Hangman" for after the necessary trials and convictions.

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Presumably, that would include Ukraine and there were several Ukraine investment round-tables moderated by the older Vindman.  Is there anyone connected with the Neocon/Clinton/Obama machine in any way that doesn't have their greedy hands in the corrupt sewers of Russia and Ukraine?   John Bolton was paid $115K for a speech by Ukranian oligarch and huge Clinton Foundation donor Victor Pinchuk.   Romney's "special advisor" in his 2012 campaign,  Cofer Black, joined Hunter Biden on the Burisma board in 2017.   

It just reeks.

Yes,it does. The question is "What are we going to do about it?"
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #97 on: February 09, 2020, 12:12:26 PM »
Graham backs Vindman firing: 'People in his chain of command have been suspicious of him regarding his political point of view'
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/482226-graham-backs-vindman-firing-people-in-his-chain-of-command-have


This is what I meant last night when I said let others do the outing of Vindman..not Trump
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« Reply #98 on: February 09, 2020, 01:07:48 PM »
Graham backs Vindman firing: 'People in his chain of command have been suspicious of him regarding his political point of view'
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/482226-graham-backs-vindman-firing-people-in-his-chain-of-command-have


This is what I meant last night when I said let others do the outing of Vindman..not Trump

Respectfully @mystery-ak it was Tim Morrison (his boss in the WH) who outed Vindman! Trump was talking about what Tim Morrison testified before a Congressional committee UNDER OATH.

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« Reply #99 on: February 09, 2020, 02:29:01 PM »
Respectfully @mystery-ak it was Tim Morrison (his boss in the WH) who outed Vindman! Trump was talking about what Tim Morrison testified before a Congressional committee UNDER OATH.

@Bigun

Well,Lady Lindsey was (is still?) a JAG officer in the Air Force,so I suspect he is more of an authority on this type of thing than any of us.

Besides,I really don't think a President needs permission,or even a reason other than "I wanna...." to fire anyone on his staff. They ALL "serve at the pleasure of the President"
It takes an special kind of "Stoopid" to make Trump look like a defenseless victim and gain public sympathy,but damned if the Dims didn't pull it off!


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