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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2020, 10:37:19 AM »
Trump defends Vindman ouster, calls him 'very insubordinate'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/482159-trump-vindman-was-very-insubordinate-so-now-hes-out

And the court-martial picture becomes even more clear now!

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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2020, 11:03:54 AM »
February 8, 2020
Trump dismisses Alexander Vindman, Yevgeny Vindman, and Gordon Sondland
By Andrea Widburg

ABBA's song "The Winner Takes It All" seems peculiarly appropriate for today's news: "The winner takes it all, The loser's standing small, Beside the victory, That's [his] destiny."

In this case, the winner was President Donald Trump, who emerged victorious from the Democrats' ill begotten impeachment debacle.  The losers left standing small — and destined to be removed from their positions — were Alexander  Vindman and his twin brother Yevgeny, both of whom are out at the National Security Council, and ambassador (now former ambassador) to the European Union Gordon Sondland.

In normal times, dismissing these men from their positions would make perfect sense.  All three serve at the president's pleasure.  Under the Constitution, Trump is responsible for foreign policy and is commander in chief.  In the former role, he has wide latitude to choose and dismiss ambassadors.  In the latter role, thousands of years of military tradition hold that officers can be dismissed — or worse — for insubordination.

Sondland came across as merely weak, but Alexander Vindman is a genuine piece of work.  The fact that his commanding officer has a constitutional right (and duty) to set foreign policy did not weigh at all with him.  He felt that, as a decorated bureaucrat, his opinion matter more.

When the president ignored Vindman's opinion, the latter violated national security to complain about Trump's chosen policy approach.  (And note, please, that he did not protect himself by being an official whistleblower.  Instead, he whined to someone else.)  Then, when called before Congress, the man who wears a suit to work showed up in his uniform, evidently trying to put the military's imprimatur on his personal mutiny.

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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2020, 11:20:45 AM »
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Fake News @CNN & MSDNC keep talking about “Lt. Col.” Vindman as though I should think only how wonderful he was. Actually, I don’t know him, never spoke to him, or met him (I don’t believe!) but, he was very insubordinate, reported contents of my “perfect” calls incorrectly, &...

....was given a horrendous report by his superior, the man he reported to, who publicly stated that Vindman had problems with judgement, adhering to the chain of command and leaking information. In other words, “OUT”.

 
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2020, 11:44:07 AM »
Court-martial in 3, 2, 1,...

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2020, 12:27:49 PM »
Esper says 'Pentagon protects its service members from retribution' amid reports of possible Vindman ouster
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/482073-esper-says-pentagon-protects-its-service-members-from-retribution-amid-reports

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I sincerely hope the brothers are NOT allowed to retire with their benefits. They should just be released from duty,not retired.
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2020, 12:29:37 PM »
That means he has lost his security clearance.

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Let's hope. That used to be SOP,but the Pentegram is now loaded with Clinton and Obomber appointees.
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2020, 01:01:26 PM »
Do we have any current or former JAG officers onboard who might inform us about how a Court Martial proceeding gets off the ground @mystery-ak

Ya know we used to or may still have but I sure can't remember who it is...
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2020, 01:03:24 PM »
Ya know we used to or may still have but I sure can't remember who it is...

OK! Thanks.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2020, 03:53:51 PM »
I'd like to see Trump do something overt and public to reassign/fire Eric Ciaramella and watch the Dems struggle to viscerally react without admitting he was the "whistleblower".

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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2020, 03:56:11 PM »
Donald Trump attacks 'very insubordinate' impeachment witness Lt. Col Alexander Vindman after kicking him out of the White House, puts his Army rank in quotes and says he was given 'horrendous' reports from superiors
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7981561/Donald-Trump-defends-firing-impeachment-inquiry-witness-Alexander-Vindman.html
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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2020, 03:57:29 PM »
I'd like to see Trump do something overt and public to reassign/fire Eric Ciaramella and watch the Dems struggle to viscerally react without admitting he was the "whistleblower".

I'll see that and raise you one immediate federal investigation into Hillary Clinton and her Foundation...her daughter being no different than Hunter Biden, in that she wasn't worth what she was earning....BEFORE she declares as a candidate for POTUS.
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2020, 04:26:58 PM »
Donald Trump attacks 'very insubordinate' impeachment witness Lt. Col Alexander Vindman after kicking him out of the White House, puts his Army rank in quotes and says he was given 'horrendous' reports from superiors
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7981561/Donald-Trump-defends-firing-impeachment-inquiry-witness-Alexander-Vindman.html

Trump never should have spoken of Vindman’s efficiency reports. Those are highly confidential documents.
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2020, 04:31:30 PM »
Trump never should have spoken of Vindman’s efficiency reports. Those are highly confidential documents.
Yes.. but he was trying to dispel the liberal speak  "revenge"...

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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2020, 04:39:56 PM »
Trump never should have spoken of Vindman’s efficiency reports. Those are highly confidential documents.

Yeah...I noticed that too...all those files are private
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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2020, 05:01:39 PM »
I see. In democrat and TDS terms, the CIC takes  a back seat, to whom and to what regs, in the chain of command?

I just one LTC Alex Vindman, why not a thousand?

Oh wait, there might be.



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Re: Impeachment witness Alexander Vindman escorted from White House [wow]
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2020, 05:14:24 PM »
Yeah...I noticed that too...all those files are private

Here's what the President said @mystery-ak   ... He's quoting statements made in the public arena:

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Fake News @CNN & MSDNC keep talking about “Lt. Col.” Vindman as though I should think only how wonderful he was. Actually, I don’t know him, never spoke to him, or met him (I don’t believe!) but, he was very insubordinate, reported contents of my “perfect” calls incorrectly, &...

....was given a horrendous report by his superior, the man he reported to, who publicly stated that Vindman had problems with judgement, adhering to the chain of command and leaking information. In other words, “OUT”.

 
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« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2020, 05:19:15 PM »
Hmmm...always thought ANYBODY working inside the White House does so, at the whim of the POTUS.

How could the CIC, CEO of the United States not have control of who punches in and out everyday?

And with the acquittal, how in the hell are the Vindemans not National Security risks?  Conspirators in a treasonous coup to overthrow the President?

In HIS own house??

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« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2020, 05:58:12 PM »
Yes.. but he was trying to dispel the liberal speak  "revenge"...

Then he failed.
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« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2020, 06:22:09 PM »
Trump never should have spoken of Vindman’s efficiency reports. Those are highly confidential documents.

@Night Hides Not

Trump had no choice. It was either that,or have to listen to the left/media whine about how he fired a war hero with an unblemished record.

I have already seen him described as a "decorated hero of the VN war",when the truth is the SOB never heard a shot fired.

He got his Purple Heart for being a passanger in a vehicle that hit a roadside bomb,and that is also almost certainly when he got his illegal CIB. To EARN a CIB the regulations require you to "be fired on by an enemy force,and RETURN fire".

Even if you want to fudge the "fired on" requirement by equating a roadside bomb to combat,he still didn't return fire.
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« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2020, 06:24:28 PM »
Yeah...I noticed that too...all those files are private

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They have been published and talked about in several media outlets. It was already out there before Trump said anything.
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« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2020, 06:29:56 PM »
@mystery-ak

They have been published and talked about in several media outlets. It was already out there before Trump said anything.

As the POTUS, he is held to the highest standard.

He probably should have just alluded to the negative record as not being covered in the media and let it go at that. 

He's still batting .750
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« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2020, 06:33:04 PM »
As the POTUS, he is held to the highest standard.

He probably should have just alluded to the negative record as not being covered in the media and let it go at that. 

He's still batting .750

Spot on. The only objection I have with Trump on this was discussing an officer’s efficiency report.
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« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2020, 06:39:52 PM »
Trump never should have spoken of Vindman’s efficiency reports. Those are highly confidential documents.

@Night Hides Not Can you point out for me when the President ever mentioned any specific document in that tweet?  it seems pretty damned generic to me.

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« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2020, 06:41:47 PM »
Spot on. The only objection I have with Trump on this was discussing an officer’s efficiency report.

@Night Hides Not

You seriously expected him to stay silent while being hammered by the left,the RINO's,the press,and the Dims as "slandiing a officer with a flawless record who is a combat hero!"

If so,you must be one of those Republicans that like losing.
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« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2020, 06:45:33 PM »
As the POTUS, he is held to the highest standard.

He probably should have just alluded to the negative record as not being covered in the media and let it go at that. 

He's still batting .750

Which is exactly what he did it seems to me. I can't find any reference to a specific document of any kind in what he said.


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