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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #250 on: February 10, 2020, 12:21:33 PM »
I disagree with your opinion.

Yeah. The Bushies did too.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #251 on: February 10, 2020, 12:22:28 PM »
Narcissus didn't really get a full view of the world when he was admiring his image in the reflecting pool.

Are you speaking of yourself?

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« Reply #252 on: February 10, 2020, 12:29:36 PM »
Yeah. The Bushies did too.

The Bushies believe Trump is taking us in the wrong direction, too.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #253 on: February 10, 2020, 12:37:41 PM »
The Bushies believe Trump is taking us in the wrong direction, too.

Nah. Not with McConnell at the helm

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #254 on: February 10, 2020, 12:41:04 PM »
And I will repeat in response to that analysis, that there are very few if any, who have said "there is nothing Trump can do that is positive."  He has most certainly done things that are positive (whoever thought that nothing he would do would be right?  No thinking person).

That's just a cop out comment to try to dismiss the argument being made....... and saying that discussing the issue with people who have a problem with a corrupt man's being President is "pointless" is even more of a cop out.

It is NEVER pointless to discuss the importance of integrity in leadership and maintaining founding principles and Conservative values.

Just easier for those who want to dismiss the problem

I can easily name some who have never had a good word to say about Trump, but that's not quite what I was driving at.  I'm not sure what I was after, anyway.  This is a long, long thread that has gone into so many different directions.

I don't think people are dismissing the moral nature of the President, it just doesn't always factor heavily enough to have them decide they can't vote for him.  What does matter is we'd be in big trouble if the country elects someone who threatens the gains that have been made by an imperfect man. 
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #255 on: February 10, 2020, 12:50:02 PM »
What does matter is we'd be in big trouble if the country elects someone who threatens the gains that have been made by an imperfect man.

That is inevitable.

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« Reply #256 on: February 10, 2020, 12:53:19 PM »
I can easily name some who have never had a good word to say about Trump, but that's not quite what I was driving at.  I'm not sure what I was after, anyway.  This is a long, long thread that has gone into so many different directions.

I don't think people are dismissing the moral nature of the President, it just doesn't always factor heavily enough to have them decide they can't vote for him.  What does matter is we'd be in big trouble if the country elects someone who threatens the gains that have been made by an imperfect man.

It doesn't really matter if there are a few you can name who have never said anything nice about Trump.  You are talking with me, and I happen to agree with some of the things he's done (as I knew I would, and said so even before the election).

My point in saying what I did was that you seem to be dismissing the argument itself as "pointless" because of some you can mention, when the people who are actually discussing this with are not in that category.

IOW, you are dismissing the argument I am making because of somebody else.

My point continues to be, if the President is lacking integrity, though he may do things we as moral people agree with (I presume morality among the members of this forum, Trump voters or not), it is still important to keep the issue of his lack of integrity front and center.

Because people who lack integrity cannot be relied on to continue on any given path, even one we may agree with, when it no longer brings him the acclaim (or votes?) he seeks.

The man is self-centered and dishonest.  That matters.  I happen to be one of the apparent dinosaurs who continues to put who a person IS above what he or she DOES.  Because who they are inside is eternal, and what they happen to do, for whatever self-absorbed reason they happen to do it, is at best transient.

So even if one says BRAVO for the revenge, the future doesn't bode well for those who are seeking vengeance and not righteousness.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #257 on: February 10, 2020, 01:07:25 PM »
It doesn't really matter if there are a few you can name who have never said anything nice about Trump.  You are talking with me, and I happen to agree with some of the things he's done (as I knew I would, and said so even before the election).

My point in saying what I did was that you seem to be dismissing the argument itself as "pointless" because of some you can mention, when the people who are actually discussing this with are not in that category.

IOW, you are dismissing the argument I am making because of somebody else.

My point continues to be, if the President is lacking integrity, though he may do things we as moral people agree with (I presume morality among the members of this forum, Trump voters or not), it is still important to keep the issue of his lack of integrity front and center.

Because people who lack integrity cannot be relied on to continue on any given path, even one we may agree with, when it no longer brings him the acclaim (or votes?) he seeks.

The man is self-centered and dishonest.  That matters.  I happen to be one of the apparent dinosaurs who continues to put who a person IS above what he or she DOES.  Because who they are inside is eternal, and what they happen to do, for whatever self-absorbed reason they happen to do it, is at best transient.

So even if one says BRAVO for the revenge, the future doesn't bode well for those who are seeking vengeance and not righteousness.

I can agree with this, with the note that I misspoke in suggesting the argument is pointless, certainly it is not.  What I meant was there is not a lot of point in arguing about it on this thread.  Minds aren't changing. :shrug:
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #258 on: February 10, 2020, 01:22:11 PM »
The Rats have been more successful advancing their socialist agenda than Pubs have been in protecting our liberty in large part because they will take small steps forward instead of expecting everything at once. The never trumpers should learn from this. Trump has done more to advance conservative causes than any POTUS in recent history. What do we see from the never trumpers the same complaint over and over, "it isn't enough", or "it's not conservative enough".

It's long past time for the never trumpers to admit they were wrong about Trump and admit he is advancing conservatism despite his enemies and the purists.

Paraphrasing Reagan, he said he would gladly take the 80 percent win, anytime ...then come back later for the other 20.

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« Reply #259 on: February 10, 2020, 01:25:36 PM »
Paraphrasing Reagan, he said he would gladly take the 80 percent win, anytime ...then come back later for the other 20.
Nope. Not how the Left has been doing it. Move the goalposts and go for another 80. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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« Reply #260 on: February 10, 2020, 01:30:06 PM »
I can agree with this, with the note that I misspoke in suggesting the argument is pointless, certainly it is not.  What I meant was there is not a lot of point in arguing about it on this thread.  Minds aren't changing. :shrug:

I'll concede your point, while disagreeing with your assumption that "minds aren't changing," (one cannot possibly know that), and offering the thought  that the only goal of stating ones views is not to change intransigent minds, but to make sure the archaic views about the importance of integrity aren't entirely forgotten...... on this board, or elsewhere.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #261 on: February 10, 2020, 01:30:19 PM »
This is not the Democratic Party of 1984.  There isn't a Tip O'Neill in the Speaker's Chair, no Robert Byrd leading the Senate Minority.   This Democratic Party of 2020 is the Party of Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, Warren and the "The Squad".   Barbarians who wipe their posteriors with the U.S. Constitution.

Reagan would be steamrolled today if he took the "cheerful Conservative" approach he did in the 80s.   This is Civil War.  Trump is a War President.   He needs to be more Churchillian than Reaganesque.   More like George Patton than Colin Powell.

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« Reply #262 on: February 10, 2020, 01:30:57 PM »
Nope. Not how the Left has been doing it. Move the goalposts and go for another 80. Lather, rinse, repeat.

That's right. Come out screaming and kicking if you take an inch, and then go on to socialize 1/7th of the economy, shoving it down everybody's throat...

Look at what they are doing now with gun control. They don't stop, and they go for yardage every time.

And we're supposed to be overjoyed with Tumpy piddlin around the edges.  *****rollingeyes*****

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« Reply #263 on: February 10, 2020, 01:35:33 PM »
That's right. Come out screaming and kicking if you take an inch, and then go on to socialize 1/7th of the economy, shoving it down everybody's throat...

Look at what they are doing now with gun control. They don't stop, and they go for yardage every time.

And we're supposed to be overjoyed with Tumpy piddlin around the edges.  *****rollingeyes*****
It's the whole idea that we only have to go "x" far, when that is a small step in a much larger trip.

The left might take a big bite and only get a nibble, but next time they are out for another full bite, not just what was left behind the first time. That's how they have made progress, and we'd better fight fire with fire if we're going to reverse that.
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« Reply #264 on: February 10, 2020, 01:45:21 PM »
It's the whole idea that we only have to go "x" far, when that is a small step in a much larger trip.

The left might take a big bite and only get a nibble, but next time they are out for another full bite, not just what was left behind the first time. That's how they have made progress, and we'd better fight fire with fire if we're going to reverse that.

That's right. And that takes real unity. You know, the kind that comes from ideals... from principles.
That's the banner that has always brought Conservatives running.

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« Reply #265 on: February 10, 2020, 02:35:12 PM »
:beer:   Amen!

And, it cannot be forgotten that the Reagan "cheerful/Shining City" approach STILL landed him in the middle of a wholly contrived "Iran-Contra Scandal" that consumed most of his second term.

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« Reply #266 on: February 10, 2020, 02:57:23 PM »
Are you speaking of yourself?

It's your vanity tour, bruh.  I just stumbled into it.

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« Reply #267 on: February 10, 2020, 02:59:37 PM »
John Anderson opposed Reagan, in 1980.

He would be the current equivalent, of Romney, Flake, McMuffin. The 2-3 percent that currently poll as being Republicans not in approval of Reagan.

In the Iowa GOP primary last week Trump got 98%

Through the decades, we have witnessed Perot, who deprived GHW Bush of a 2nd term, and Buchanan, who could have cost GW Bush his 2000 win.

I am just a simpleton, that likes to win instead of playing purist, so somebody gets attention, sells books.

Tracking these 3rd party kooks, you wind up with Anderson later supporting Ralph Nader, Libertarian Harry Browne blaming America for 9-11-2001.

Even at 3 percent, far to many GOPs/Conservatives are gullible, purists, attention seekers.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #268 on: February 10, 2020, 03:05:52 PM »
It's your vanity tour, bruh.  I just stumbled into it.

ROTFLMAO!!! Nah... No vanity.

But I will forever insist upon Conservative principles, because in fact, and by definition, it ain't Conservatism without em. And in this Conservative forum, on this very thread, those principles are heckled and considered to be without value by avid Tumpists.

If anything, that would be the vanity.

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« Reply #269 on: February 10, 2020, 06:49:47 PM »
John Anderson opposed Reagan, in 1980.

He would be the current equivalent, of Romney, Flake, McMuffin. The 2-3 percent that currently poll as being Republicans not in approval of Reagan.

In the Iowa GOP primary last week Trump got 98%

Through the decades, we have witnessed Perot, who deprived GHW Bush of a 2nd term, and Buchanan, who could have cost GW Bush his 2000 win.

I am just a simpleton, that likes to win instead of playing purist, so somebody gets attention, sells books.

Tracking these 3rd party kooks, you wind up with Anderson later supporting Ralph Nader, Libertarian Harry Browne blaming America for 9-11-2001.

Even at 3 percent, far to many GOPs/Conservatives are gullible, purists, attention seekers.
GHWB's "Read my lips" renege cost him that election. I read his lips, but that wasn't what happened.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #270 on: February 10, 2020, 07:34:59 PM »
Paraphrasing Reagan, he said he would gladly take the 80 percent win, anytime ...then come back later for the other 20.

My point exactly.

Trump has really done well with little support. He has moved the economy in the right direction with a four key actions; lowered taxes, reduced regulation, promoted energy production, and better trade deal. He did this by reducing govt control over private enterprise, not by expanding it. He has nominated strict constructionists to the federal courts, not judicial activists. He has begun the process of building an actual wall on our southern border, partnered with Mexico and Central American countries to reduce illegal immigration. He has ended catch and release. He has advanced the Pro-Life cause at every opportunity including being the first POTUS to address the March for Life in Person. I'm sure other posters can add to the list, the point is he has really advanced conservatism.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #271 on: February 10, 2020, 07:39:39 PM »
And, it cannot be forgotten that the Reagan "cheerful/Shining City" approach STILL landed him in the middle of a wholly contrived "Iran-Contra Scandal" that consumed most of his second term.

You fight wars to win.  We're at war for our Republic.

You're right and Trump is actually fighting.

I made the mistake of not voting for him in 2016. I won't make that mistake again.
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« Reply #272 on: February 10, 2020, 07:48:16 PM »
John Anderson opposed Reagan, in 1980.

He would be the current equivalent, of Romney, Flake, McMuffin. The 2-3 percent that currently poll as being Republicans not in approval of Reagan.

In the Iowa GOP primary last week Trump got 98%

Through the decades, we have witnessed Perot, who deprived GHW Bush of a 2nd term, and Buchanan, who could have cost GW Bush his 2000 win.

I am just a simpleton, that likes to win instead of playing purist, so somebody gets attention, sells books.

Tracking these 3rd party kooks, you wind up with Anderson later supporting Ralph Nader, Libertarian Harry Browne blaming America for 9-11-2001.

Even at 3 percent, far to many GOPs/Conservatives are gullible, purists, attention seekers.

In 2016 I didn't vote for Trump. I didn't believe he would do what he said he would. I thought because Trump was a lifelong Rat who lived in NY and did a lot of business there that once he was in office he would cut deals with the Rats and things would just get worse. I was wrong. He has done what he said he would do (how unusual is that?) and fought his enemies tooth and nail all the way. If I can't support him now knowing his history I'm letting my stubborn pride blind me.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #273 on: February 10, 2020, 08:33:32 PM »
My point exactly.

Trump has really done well with little support. He has moved the economy in the right direction with a four key actions; lowered taxes, reduced regulation, promoted energy production, and better trade deal. He did this by reducing govt control over private enterprise, not by expanding it. He has nominated strict constructionists to the federal courts, not judicial activists. He has begun the process of building an actual wall on our southern border, partnered with Mexico and Central American countries to reduce illegal immigration. He has ended catch and release. He has advanced the Pro-Life cause at every opportunity including being the first POTUS to address the March for Life in Person. I'm sure other posters can add to the list, the point is he has really advanced conservatism.
NO!

Take the 80%, but when you come back, don't just come back for the 20%. Move the goalposts and come back for a full bite. Otherwise, you'll never get the 20 (you'll only get 80% of that, until diminishing returns apply).

The Dems have been doing this for decades, and it's time to fight fire with fire.
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