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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2020, 11:44:30 PM »
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Likely a combination of booze, meds and most definitely TIA's and I would say the same for Feinstein, Waters, Clinton, probably Biden and a number of others that have definitely passed not only their best used by but also their expiration date.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #76 on: February 08, 2020, 05:53:44 AM »
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Well,yeah,it is. According to you,Trump sucks and we are fools to support him,so that makes it incumbent of YOU to tell us all who is better,and why.

In FACT,it is the WHOLE point of election season.
Nah, the unfortunate part is that the GOP voters have 'settled' for people who keep kicking the debt up another notch for so long, there really isn't any one, or any practical way in either Party, to stop. It's an addiction that will eventually kill this Republic.

Considering there is no 'simple' spending Bill ever that comes out of Congress. With all the extra-constitutional stuff (neither mandated by, nor authorized) that the FedGov does, it's always a multi-thousand page omnibus packed with grants to study butterfly migrations, gender assignation, and fund abortion, among literally hundreds of other things the government shouldn't be funding nor involved in.
We don't even monetize our own debt, (Like we did with "United States Notes") we borrow money from a banking cartel and pay them interest. They create the money they 'lend' us out of thin air. We could do that ourselves, by changing the wording on the notes, and save $580 Billion a year in interest. Some someones are making a lot of money out of the money we owe.

Unfortunately, people have been gradually steered so far away from the streamlined original concept of what a Federal Government is supposed to be, they can't see around the dungheap of government waste enough to even know what to demand--and as long as that is sold as "better than the other candidate", the lesser evil, then the march toward the greater evil will continue, just at a little slower pace.

Sadly, given the opportunity to actually do something to rein that in, the GOP did diddley-squat, bid'ness as usual, and rang up more tab on our backs. Why the very idea of returning those powers to the States not granted the Federal Government in the Constitution would likely be casus belli in the eyes of the establishment, be that the Communist cadres of the Left, or the mercantile oligarchy of what passes for the Right. 

@roamer_1  is Right. Unfortunately, Americans have been led so far from the original concepts of governance in these United States, that they can't conceive of Dr Franklin's Republic, much less keep it.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #77 on: February 08, 2020, 06:04:23 AM »
Nah. They reamed on Reagan just as much - And he didn't back down, nor did he need to act like a boorish ass. This fight has been the very same my whole life.

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Trump's SOTU was notable for its channeling of the Gipper.   But it is likely ephemeral,  and he'll soon be back to the boorish ass shtick.   
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #78 on: February 08, 2020, 09:20:51 AM »
Trump's confrontational attitude toward dems is OK with me, I just think it could be more effective if it wasn't always a knee jerk reflex. My fear is that it plays into the dem meme that what we see now IS toned down and if re-elected all constraints will come off.

I'd also like to see him less concerned about selling the Trump brand and more concerned with selling conservative values to a voting population desperately in need of a crash course in common sense.
Since you say he he always knee-jerks, can you point out where in the SOTU speech this happened, as well as where in speech he could have been more effective?
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #79 on: February 08, 2020, 10:01:36 AM »
QFT.

Trump's SOTU was notable for its channeling of the Gipper.   But it is likely ephemeral,  and he'll soon be back to the boorish ass shtick.

One speech does not a Statesman make.  The Gipper's speeches reflected who he was as a person and a patriot.  Trump's didn't.

If he had even a modicum of self-control the childishness and pre-adolescent lashing out would have stopped four years ago.

He just has good speech writers......
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #80 on: February 08, 2020, 10:11:40 AM »
One speech does not a Statesman make.  The Gipper's speeches reflected who he was as a person and a patriot.  Trump's didn't.

If he had even a modicum of self-control the childishness and pre-adolescent lashing out would have stopped four years ago.

He just has good speech writers......

Speaking of speechwriters and the Gipper, didn't Peggy Noonan claim to be "Reagan's Brain?"  Speechwriters are weird.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #81 on: February 08, 2020, 10:15:38 AM »
Speaking of speechwriters and the Gipper, didn't Peggy Noonan claim to be "Reagan's Brain?"  Speechwriters are weird.

I would amend that by saying Peggy Noonan is weird.  happy77

But, Reagan was a good speaker to begin with and had incredible, original Conservative ideas (as proven by his written works well before he was President).

Speechwriters can even make awkward, inept people sound like good speakers.......... like Obama and Trump.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #82 on: February 08, 2020, 10:24:10 AM »
Since you say he he always knee-jerks, can you point out where in the SOTU speech this happened, as well as where in speech he could have been more effective?

I'm not talking about the speech - from what I've heard it was great, appropriately confrontational but much more subtly so and therefore much more effective than his average tweetstorm. IMO a bit more of that kind of discipline and maturity would improve his image and make it easier for allies to support and defend him. However well his style may work for him, I think it cost the party in 2018 and is likely to do so again. I also worry about what we'll be left with in 2024 - if Pence is a viable successor then he needs to be given a chance to step up into a meaningful leadership role because I haven't seen anything from him yet. If not, lets get busy finding someone capable of leading the party going forward. What I'm seeing today looks far too much like the way 0bama managed to get himself reelected but left behind a party in shambles. We've made tremendous progress but if we're going to hang onto it we need to do a better job of selling it to the mainstream electorate, not just the base.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #83 on: February 08, 2020, 10:27:07 AM »
I would amend that by saying Peggy Noonan is weird.  happy77

But, Reagan was a good speaker to begin with and had incredible, original Conservative ideas (as proven by his written works well before he was President).

Speechwriters can even make awkward, inept people sound like good speakers.......... like Obama and Trump.

Canadian David Frum (Bush 43) is also a whackadoo.  rrthree
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #84 on: February 08, 2020, 10:31:27 AM »
One speech does not a Statesman make.  The Gipper's speeches reflected who he was as a person and a patriot.  Trump's didn't.

He just has good speech writers......
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #85 on: February 08, 2020, 10:37:48 AM »
I'm not talking about the speech - from what I've heard it was great, appropriately confrontational but much more subtly so and therefore much more effective than his average tweetstorm. IMO a bit more of that kind of discipline and maturity would improve his image and make it easier for allies to support and defend him. However well his style may work for him, I think it cost the party in 2018 and is likely to do so again. I also worry about what we'll be left with in 2024 - if Pence is a viable successor then he needs to be given a chance to step up into a meaningful leadership role because I haven't seen anything from him yet. If not, lets get busy finding someone capable of leading the party going forward. What I'm seeing today looks far too much like the way 0bama managed to get himself reelected but left behind a party in shambles. We've made tremendous progress but if we're going to hang onto it we need to do a better job of selling it to the mainstream electorate, not just the base.
You made the accusation, then began talking in hyperbole without specifics when you state he always knee-jerks.

I get it, you are a Never-Trumper.  But at least backup the claim.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #86 on: February 08, 2020, 10:56:00 AM »
@roamer_1

Well,yeah,it is. According to you,Trump sucks and we are fools to support him,so that makes it incumbent of YOU to tell us all who is better,and why.

In FACT,it is the WHOLE point of election season.

Well no, it ain't @sneakypete

And it ain't incumbent on me to do anything but speak the truth.
And the truth is that this messianic bullcrap serves nothing. It is distraction as much now as it was under Dubya. It's the same dang thing.



This forum hardly does anything except follow all the high drama on the national scene - The kabuki theater - When what really is important is coalition, NOT TUMP. Where's the vetting of house and senate members, governors, state houses? Where's the activism? Nothing.

Nothing but the Tumpy the Clown show 24/7. What a waste.

The point is coalition. The point is unseating the NWO moderate control of Congress. The point is increasing Conservatives. But that ain't what y'all do.

That IS what the TEA party does. That is what I would join.


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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #87 on: February 08, 2020, 10:58:55 AM »
Nah, the unfortunate part is that the GOP voters have 'settled' for people who keep kicking the debt up another notch for so long, there really isn't any one, or any practical way in either Party, to stop. It's an addiction that will eventually kill this Republic.

Considering there is no 'simple' spending Bill ever that comes out of Congress. With all the extra-constitutional stuff (neither mandated by, nor authorized) that the FedGov does, it's always a multi-thousand page omnibus packed with grants to study butterfly migrations, gender assignation, and fund abortion, among literally hundreds of other things the government shouldn't be funding nor involved in.
We don't even monetize our own debt, (Like we did with "United States Notes") we borrow money from a banking cartel and pay them interest. They create the money they 'lend' us out of thin air. We could do that ourselves, by changing the wording on the notes, and save $580 Billion a year in interest. Some someones are making a lot of money out of the money we owe.

Unfortunately, people have been gradually steered so far away from the streamlined original concept of what a Federal Government is supposed to be, they can't see around the dungheap of government waste enough to even know what to demand--and as long as that is sold as "better than the other candidate", the lesser evil, then the march toward the greater evil will continue, just at a little slower pace.

Sadly, given the opportunity to actually do something to rein that in, the GOP did diddley-squat, bid'ness as usual, and rang up more tab on our backs. Why the very idea of returning those powers to the States not granted the Federal Government in the Constitution would likely be casus belli in the eyes of the establishment, be that the Communist cadres of the Left, or the mercantile oligarchy of what passes for the Right. 

@roamer_1  is Right. Unfortunately, Americans have been led so far from the original concepts of governance in these United States, that they can't conceive of Dr Franklin's Republic, much less keep it.

Absolutely! Great post!  QFT   :beer:
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #88 on: February 08, 2020, 11:01:08 AM »
QFT.

Trump's SOTU was notable for its channeling of the Gipper.   But it is likely ephemeral,  and he'll soon be back to the boorish ass shtick.

Yes, it is true. And the same under both Bushes, but especially Dubya. Relentless liberal criticism is just part of the game.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #89 on: February 08, 2020, 11:23:37 AM »
You made the accusation, then began talking in hyperbole without specifics when you state he always knee-jerks.

I get it, you are a Never-Trumper.  But at least backup the claim.

Oh please - have you ever READ any of my posts here??? It should be blindingly obvious that no one wants Trump to continue to succeed more than I do. With what he's accomplished he should have Reagan-like approval numbers and the party should be riding high. Why isn't that what's happening?
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« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2020, 11:31:05 AM »
Oh please - have you ever READ any of my posts here??? It should be blindingly obvious that no one wants Trump to continue to succeed more than I do. With what he's accomplished he should have Reagan-like approval numbers and the party should be riding high. Why isn't that what's happening?

I'd hazard a guess that it's the 90% negative press he receives.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2020, 11:31:06 AM »
@sneakypete

The point is increasing Conservatives. But that ain't what y'all do.  That IS what the TEA party does. That is what I would join.

Guess again .....

Joe Walsh, former Tea Partier, says he’d support ‘socialist’ over Trump after dropping primary bid
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2020, 11:34:23 AM »
Guess again .....

Joe Walsh, former Tea Partier, says he’d support ‘socialist’ over Trump after dropping primary bid
Fox News, Feb 7, 2020
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-walsh-former-tea-partier-says-hed-support-socialist-over-trump-after-dropping-primary-bid

Anyone can say they're a tea party guy, and many did. Doesn't make it so.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2020, 11:36:09 AM »
Anyone can say they're a tea party guy, and many did. Doesn't make it so.

You never fail to make me laugh.   88devil 

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« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2020, 11:42:46 AM »
Anyone can say they're a tea party guy, and many did. Doesn't make it so.

Meanwhile, every other Saturday we have a meeting of the Colorado River TEA Party Patriots.  The TEA Party is still alive, despite McConnell's best efforts to kill it.  He boasted of that a bit prematurely.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2020, 11:49:47 AM »
Meanwhile, every other Saturday we have a meeting of the Colorado River TEA Party Patriots.  The TEA Party is still alive, despite McConnell's best efforts to kill it.  He boasted of that a bit prematurely.

Yes I know. We are still meeting too, though usually phone conferences... Getting ready for a meetup, probably in Coeur d'Alene in the next 60 days. I am getting pressure to get back in. I don't know that I want it anymore. I don't mind the think tank stuff, or the organizing... But I am getting pretty long in the tooth to climb back in the money game.

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« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2020, 12:10:23 PM »
The local chapter here is still pretty active. I dropped out because contrary to the name, it got to be all about social and religious issues to the point of supporting or opposing repub candidates purely on that basis. If an organization isn't all-in against the dem, it's not for me.
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« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2020, 12:18:31 PM »
The local chapter here is still pretty active. I dropped out because contrary to the name, it got to be all about social and religious issues to the point of supporting or opposing repub candidates purely on that basis. If an organization isn't all-in against the dem, it's not for me.

We're pretty much Reagan Conservatives... With a pretty hard bend toward the original Ron Paul civil libertarian and fiscal issues. Social and Mil issues are included, and important - But in typical Rocky Mountain fashion, It is individualism and independence that have the emphasis.

Don't give a crap about the democrats. What matters is placing genuine Conservatives into position. With Conservative majorities, the rest will fix itself.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2020, 12:37:00 PM »
We're pretty much Reagan Conservatives... With a pretty hard bend toward the original Ron Paul civil libertarian and fiscal issues. Social and Mil issues are included, and important - But in typical Rocky Mountain fashion, It is individualism and independence that have the emphasis.

Don't give a crap about the democrats. What matters is placing genuine Conservatives into position. With Conservative majorities, the rest will fix itself.

Conservatives.... like who, for instance?   Can you name a half dozen?  Or even a few? 
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2020, 12:38:31 PM »
Meanwhile, every other Saturday we have a meeting of the Colorado River TEA Party Patriots.  The TEA Party is still alive, despite McConnell's best efforts to kill it.  He boasted of that a bit prematurely.

Which is another reason why I don't trust Mitch (da Bitch).   
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