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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #225 on: February 10, 2020, 11:16:03 AM »
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #226 on: February 10, 2020, 11:23:37 AM »
Oh, for cripes sake @musiclady @Jazzhead @Cyber Liberty  this isn't about "revenge" or "retribution" ... it's draining the swamp.

@Right_in_Virginia I don't give a rat's patootie what it's called.  Call it "changing the drapery" for all I care.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #227 on: February 10, 2020, 11:29:39 AM »
The dichotomy between Conservative and liberal positions is not the problem.

 

The only way we win is together.
The only way we are together is when no one gets thrown under the bus.
That is no longer happening.

 

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I would need a chainsaw to cut THAT irony.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #228 on: February 10, 2020, 11:31:42 AM »
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I would need a chainsaw to cut THAT irony.

It is not irony @sneakypete . It's the truth.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #229 on: February 10, 2020, 11:32:36 AM »

We fall into this false security that when we ban something then it disappears... not true, it merely gives society the legal tools to prosecute someone who violates the ban..

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Not true. It also allows "The Master of Morality" feel good about themselves because they managed to use the force of government to punish other people they don't approve of.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #230 on: February 10, 2020, 11:32:51 AM »
Call it "changing the drapery" for all I care.

That would certainly be more accurate.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #231 on: February 10, 2020, 11:33:03 AM »
Jesus H. Christ!

The only ones giving up are the ones hiding behind their 'principles'.   

$1.79, plus all of those principles will get you a 16oz. coffee at your local 7-11.
I'm not giving up, and I'm keeping my principles.  Plenty of other folks seem perfectly happy with "settling" though, as if that alone was the goal.

Who drinks 7-11 coffee anyway? Y'all are worse off than I thought.  **nononono*
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #232 on: February 10, 2020, 11:33:58 AM »
@EdinVA

Not true. It also allows "The Master of Morality" feel good about themselves because they managed to use the force of government to punish other people they don't approve of.

LOL! Now THERE's your irony, @sneakypete

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #233 on: February 10, 2020, 11:36:56 AM »
I'm not giving up, and I'm keeping my principles.  Plenty of other folks seem perfectly happy with "settling" though, as if that alone was the goal.


If I thought it were possible to get everything I want right now I wouldn't be happy 'settling' either.

But it's not possible.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #234 on: February 10, 2020, 11:37:38 AM »
Because it's easier to seek revenge than to seek a shining city, I guess.

The problem with revenge is that it accomplishes absolutely nothing.  It doesn't destroy the enemy.  It destroys us.

This is not the Democratic Party of 1984.  There isn't a Tip O'Neill in the Speaker's Chair, no Robert Byrd leading the Senate Minority.   This Democratic Party of 2020 is the Party of Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, Warren and the "The Squad".   Barbarians who wipe their posteriors with the U.S. Constitution.

Reagan would be steamrolled today if he took the "cheerful Conservative" approach he did in the 80s.   This is Civil War.  Trump is a War President.   He needs to be more Churchillian than Reaganesque.   More like George Patton than Colin Powell.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #235 on: February 10, 2020, 11:45:31 AM »
It won't eliminate it, but I seriously believe (especially in today's morally bankrupt society) that the onus of criminality does deter at least some of those undesired activities.

Just imagine if there were no laws against stealing or murder. How many more thefts, how many more murders would occur? The only disincentive would be fear of God or reprisal, and far too many don't know Him.

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I don't know,but I can tell you that I have no desire to steal anything or murder anyone,so I honesty think most people share the same beliefs. Yes,it IS true that some people will do this,but the law NEVER prevents them from doing it because not a single one of them ever thinks THEY will be caught and punished.  The laws against murder and theft,for example,must be kept in place to punish the people who do those things,but it is ridiculous to think they,or any other laws,keep people from doing what they want.

The problem is teaching morality to small children so they know right from wrong and don't grow up to become dangerous felons USED to be imprinted on those young minds by their mothers who remained at home to raise them,and mostly enforced by their fathers,who worked every day to support his family.

This no longer applies in the modern world because the gooberment has now taken over dominion over YOUR children,and WILL punish you severely if you even restrict them to the house for a week or so for violations,never mind put your ass in JAIL for spanking one of your princes or princesses.

Unfortunately for society,which really means all of us in this case,the government refuses to punish our children for disobedience to our wishes/laws,and in FACT encourages it "so the child can grow creatively",or some such shit. They even take it one step further by punishing  YOU via fines,jail time,or both,for any crime the child then violates!

It is truly a "Catch-22" world we all live in today, it's getting worse every year,and it is going to CONTINUE to get worse every year as long as loons continue to get on their high horse and insist on "Perfection or NOTHING!"  Know anybody like that?
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #236 on: February 10, 2020, 11:47:06 AM »
The dichotomy between Conservative and liberal positions is not the problem.

The problem is the argument between supposed conservatives. Too many have fallen prey to moderate slogans and fail to think it through to the end. Conservatism has always been factional. Thus the old saying that herding conservatives is like herding cats.

But now that big moderate tent has so confused many that they have forgotten Reagan altogether.

The only way we win is together.
The only way we are together is when no one gets thrown under the bus.
That is no longer happening.

Speak truth to Conservatives and they will hear you. when every Conservative principle is held high, that is the raised banner. That is the clarion call. That is what causes the Conservative juggernaut to rise up, unstoppable.

That is not what is happening.

The Rats have been more successful advancing their socialist agenda than Pubs have been in protecting our liberty in large part because they will take small steps forward instead of expecting everything at once. The never trumpers should learn from this. Trump has done more to advance conservative causes than any POTUS in recent history. What do we see from the never trumpers the same complaint over and over, "it isn't enough", or "it's not conservative enough".

It's long past time for the never trumpers to admit they were wrong about Trump and admit he is advancing conservatism despite his enemies and the purists.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #237 on: February 10, 2020, 11:47:49 AM »
If I thought it were possible to get everything I want right now I wouldn't be happy 'settling' either.

But it's not possible.
I don't expect, even if every step were in the right direction, we'll get back to the Republic in my lifetime.

That doesn't mean I'm giving up on what should be there. What should be there is based on principles.
I'm not giving those up.

I'm happier every time we get closer to those, but i see it as a just step along the way, not the end of the journey.

We didn't get here overnight, it took over a century and a half of deviating from the original idea. We won't get back quickly, short of upheaval, and with the state of affairs out there, I don't think that would go very well.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #238 on: February 10, 2020, 11:50:41 AM »
The Rats have been more successful advancing their socialist agenda than Pubs have been in protecting our liberty in large part because they will take small steps forward instead of expecting everything at once. The never trumpers should learn from this. Trump has done more to advance conservative causes than any POTUS in recent history. What do we see from the never trumpers the same complaint over and over, "it isn't enough", or "it's not conservative enough".

It's long past time for the never trumpers to admit they were wrong about Trump and admit he is advancing conservatism despite his enemies and the purists.

It's "Hey, look at ME!!!" narcissism.   They're noisy eunuchs.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #239 on: February 10, 2020, 11:52:13 AM »
I don't expect, even if every step were in the right direction, we'll get back to the Republic in my lifetime.

That doesn't mean I'm giving up on what should be there. What should be there is based on principles.
I'm not giving those up.

I'm happier every time we get closer to those, but i see it as a just step along the way, not the end of the journey.

We didn't get here overnight, it took over a century and a half of deviating from the original idea. We won't get back quickly, short of upheaval, and with the state of affairs out there, I don't think that would go very well.

Yes. This is why we should all be grateful for and celebrate every step in the right direction, however small. Regardless of who's responsible for it.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #240 on: February 10, 2020, 11:53:04 AM »
The Rats have been more successful advancing their socialist agenda than Pubs have been in protecting our liberty in large part because they will take small steps forward instead of expecting everything at once. The never trumpers should learn from this. Trump has done more to advance conservative causes than any POTUS in recent history. What do we see from the never trumpers the same complaint over and over, "it isn't enough", or "it's not conservative enough".

It's long past time for the never trumpers to admit they were wrong about Trump and admit he is advancing conservatism despite his enemies and the purists.
The rats are headed in the same direction.

I'm not so sure he is advancing conservatism, but stopping the leftward slide is progress, and necessary before we are headed in the right direction, so that's a plus. No, damnit, it isn't enough, and don't forget it, or the whole idea will go dead in the water with people patting each other on the back about how the Communists were thwarted this time. As soon as they get a chance, they'll be at it again, and all that will result is a pause.

Is that concept so hard for people to wrap their heads around? This isn't the end, it isn't the beginning of the end, it's barely the end of the beginning--but only if people keep absolute Conservative goals in mind. Otherwise, it's just a brief pause in the slide to global totalitarianism.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #241 on: February 10, 2020, 11:55:39 AM »
The Rats have been more successful advancing their socialist agenda than Pubs have been in protecting our liberty in large part because they will take small steps forward instead of expecting everything at once.

No they don't. Are you kidding me?

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The never trumpers should learn from this. Trump has done more to advance conservative causes than any POTUS in recent history.

Mostly baloney, but even if true for the sake of the argument, that is a damn low bar.

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What do we see from the never trumpers the same complaint over and over, "it isn't enough", or "it's not conservative enough".

No, it isn't Conservative at all.

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It's long past time for the never trumpers to admit they were wrong about Trump and admit he is advancing conservatism despite his enemies and the purists.

Like I said before, I see nothing to vote for in this movement. I have no dog in this hunt.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #242 on: February 10, 2020, 11:59:12 AM »
Yes. This is why we should all be grateful for and celebrate every step in the right direction, however small. Regardless of who's responsible for it.

I will when it's headed in the right direction, which it ain't.

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« Reply #243 on: February 10, 2020, 12:05:21 PM »
There's "revenge," and then there's "retribution."  And if there are still Obama holdovers stymieing Trump they need to be out of there.  Removing insubordinate employees isn't revenge, nor retribution, it's called staffing with like-minded people.

Whether Trump is a "moral man" is not the issue.

What I'm talking about is far greater than whether or not Trump is a "moral man," (though I understand why some of his supporters narrow it down to that...... it makes it easier to attack the people pointing it out, and attack they do).  The problem of a lack of integrity.... dishonesty and corruption.... is a real issue when you have a leader who can't be trusted.  His immorality is no more now than a weird talking point for his supporters.  His seeming inability to tell the truth and his corrupt business practices remain problematic.  But he does give those old Dems a tongue lashing, and that makes a lot of "conservatives" gleeful.

The point being that it has been clear since Trump was nominated and elected that there is a great deal of vengeance going on..... not just retribution or replacing bad people.   There are plenty of people who are glad the Dems are getting smacked around verbally (no matter that it isn't harming them one bit, but rather giving them ammunition against what they now perceive to be conservatism, but what is clearly not).

If you don't see the element of vengeance going on now in the right, perhaps the rose colored glasses should be removed where your peers are concerned.  YOU are not expressing emotional revenge (at least not that I've seen), but there are plenty of Trump supporters who are.

I just don't believe one should give up on the greater goal of integrity because the "times" have changed.

And that's exactly what I believe has happened........ and is being verbalized on a daily basis.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #244 on: February 10, 2020, 12:10:44 PM »
What I'm talking about is far greater than whether or not Trump is a "moral man," (though I understand why some of his supporters narrow it down to that...... it makes it easier to attack the people pointing it out, and attack they do).  The problem of a lack of integrity.... dishonesty and corruption.... is a real issue when you have a leader who can't be trusted.  His immorality is no more now than a weird talking point for his supporters.  His seeming inability to tell the truth and his corrupt business practices remain problematic.  But he does give those old Dems a tongue lashing, and that makes a lot of "conservatives" gleeful.

The point being that it has been clear since Trump was nominated and elected that there is a great deal of vengeance going on..... not just retribution or replacing bad people.   There are plenty of people who are glad the Dems are getting smacked around verbally (no matter that it isn't harming them one bit, but rather giving them ammunition against what they now perceive to be conservatism, but what is clearly not).

If you don't see the element of vengeance going on now in the right, perhaps the rose colored glasses should be removed where your peers are concerned.  YOU are not expressing emotional revenge (at least not that I've seen), but there are plenty of Trump supporters who are.

I just don't believe one should give up on the greater goal of integrity because the "times" have changed.

And that's exactly what I believe has happened........ and is being verbalized on a daily basis.

@Cyber Liberty

I can certainly understand the "fruit of a poisoned tree" aspect.  There is nothing Trump can do that is positive, because obviously he's doing it for evil purposes.  I would not argue with adherents to that principle, it's pointless.
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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #245 on: February 10, 2020, 12:11:52 PM »
This is not the Democratic Party of 1984.  There isn't a Tip O'Neill in the Speaker's Chair, no Robert Byrd leading the Senate Minority.   This Democratic Party of 2020 is the Party of Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, Warren and the "The Squad".   Barbarians who wipe their posteriors with the U.S. Constitution.

Reagan would be steamrolled today if he took the "cheerful Conservative" approach he did in the 80s.   This is Civil War.  Trump is a War President.   He needs to be more Churchillian than Reaganesque.   More like George Patton than Colin Powell.

I don't disagree with your assessment of the Dem party, Arne.

I DO disagree that the strength and resolve to fight them requires a lack of integrity and childish petulance.  There are plenty of people out there who are both strong and decent, who are involved in business, in leadership elsewhere.

I understand why you have settled for the lesser 'good' rather than the greater good by saying Trump is your man.

Just know that there are plenty of people out there who are disgusted by his methods because they hate those methods in the Dem party and don't want the Republican party to sink to the level for which we have always had a disdain.

We haven't given up on the principles on which the country was founded.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #246 on: February 10, 2020, 12:14:40 PM »
I will when it's headed in the right direction, which it ain't.
I disagree with your opinion.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #247 on: February 10, 2020, 12:17:06 PM »
I can certainly understand the "fruit of a poisoned tree" aspect.  There is nothing Trump can do that is positive, because obviously he's doing it for evil purposes.  I would not argue with adherents to that principle, it's pointless.

And I will repeat in response to that analysis, that there are very few if any, who have said "there is nothing Trump can do that is positive."  He has most certainly done things that are positive (whoever thought that nothing he would do would be right?  No thinking person).

That's just a cop out comment to try to dismiss the argument being made....... and saying that discussing the issue with people who have a problem with a corrupt man's being President is "pointless" is even more of a cop out.

It is NEVER pointless to discuss the importance of integrity in leadership and maintaining founding principles and Conservative values.

Just easier for those who want to dismiss the problem

Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #248 on: February 10, 2020, 12:18:55 PM »
Just know that there are plenty of people out there who are disgusted by his methods because they hate those methods in the Dem party and don't want the Republican party to sink to the level for which we have always had a disdain.

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Re: The Real Reason For Nancy's Anger
« Reply #249 on: February 10, 2020, 12:19:33 PM »
I will when it's headed in the right direction, which it ain't.

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