Doug Collins: House Democratic leader's remark about letting Trump 'prove innocence' should alarm Am

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Doug Collins: House Democratic leader's remark about letting Trump 'prove innocence' should alarm Americans
By Charles Creitz | Fox News

    House Judiciary Committee ranking member Doug Collins, R-Ga., said Democrats are exposing their true contempt for the Constitution and the individual rights therein with how they are conducting the impeachment of President Trump.

In an interview airing Sunday at 8 p.m. ET on "Life, Liberty & Levin," Collins said Trump was overtly denied the same due process afforded to every other American under the Constitution, adding that House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., made an alarming statement to that effect.


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[Smokin Joe]

They are all braying that sort of nonsense. Prove his innocence... Just because we didn't find proof of wrongdoing doesn't mean it didn't occur...
Far from American Jurisprudence, it reeks of the mentality seen in Salem.

Throw her in! If she floats, she's a witch!

The principle of presumed innocence, of being guilty beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean "beyond reason", and the Democrats are.

Perhaps they are counting on the ignorance of Americans as to their own Rights, or that those same Rights extend to the POTUS, as well as the most indigent of us all, to any Citizen accused of any crime in the United States.

These same Rights, including that presumption of innocence, are (by demand by Democrats) applied even to foreign agents working on these shores.

[Wingnut]

Steny, another old white rat with shit for brains who believes the crap coming oit of his pie hole. 

[Smokin Joe]

Steny, another old white rat with shit for brains who believes the crap coming oit of his pie hole.

Just another stain on the State of Maryland.

[Wingnut]

Just another stain on the State of Maryland.

You could duct tape a coffee bean to his ass and make him swim across the Potomac river and it would leave a  bolder mark on the water than his entire body of work in congress.  What a provincial putz.

[XenaLee]

They are all braying that sort of nonsense. Prove his innocence... Just because we didn't find proof of wrongdoing doesn't mean it didn't occur...
Far from American Jurisprudence, it reeks of the mentality seen in Salem.

Throw her in! If she floats, she's a witch!

The principle of presumed innocence, of being guilty beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean "beyond reason", and the Democrats are.

Perhaps they are counting on the ignorance of Americans as to their own Rights, or that those same Rights extend to the POTUS, as well as the most indigent of us all, to any Citizen accused of any crime in the United States.

These same Rights, including that presumption of innocence, are (by demand by Democrats) applied even to foreign agents working on these shores.

They are indeed, no doubt, counting on the stupidity of the ignorant masses (most of their constituents).   It is stunning how many, when asked if they agreed with Hillary's 'repeal the Bill of Rights' idea, agreed it was a "good idea" and they would go along with it.   They had no idea what the Bill of Rights even is.   And don't care enough to even educate themselves.   That kind of apathy and stupidity is what can and probably will kill America as a free nation.


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[Smokin Joe]

They are indeed, no doubt, counting on the stupidity of the ignorant masses (most of their constituents).   It is stunning how many, when asked if they agreed with Hillary's 'repeal the Bill of Rights' idea, agreed it was a "good idea" and they would go along with it.   They had no idea what the Bill of Rights even is.   And don't care enough to even educate themselves.   That kind of apathy and stupidity is what can and probably will kill America as a free nation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI

One of the reasons for a public education system was to make sure people knew how their government was supposed to work. That was before the Leftists hijacked the same system to preach Marx.

[XenaLee]

One of the reasons for a public education system was to make sure people knew how their government was supposed to work. That was before the Leftists hijacked the same system to preach Marx.

Exactly.   We need to bring back the good old days where Civics is taught in public schools.  Alas, unless we can take back the education system from the leftists, that will never happen.

[Smokin Joe]

Exactly.   We need to bring back the good old days where Civics is taught in public schools.  Alas, unless we can take back the education system from the leftists, that will never happen.

If we cannot take back the education system from the Leftists, the Republic will wither and die in the penumbra of ignorance created in the name of education.

[XenaLee]

If we cannot take back the education system from the Leftists, the Republic will wither and die in the penumbra of ignorance created in the name of education.

True.

[libertybele]

If we cannot take back the education system from the Leftists, the Republic will wither and die in the penumbra of ignorance created in the name of education.

You are correct; however, we passed that tipping point awhile ago.  Liberalism is entrenched in our educational system and there is now in some districts a push for Islam and Sharia.

[Smokin Joe]

You are correct; however, we passed that tipping point awhile ago.  Liberalism is entrenched in our educational system and there is now in some districts a push for Islam and Sharia.

All the more reason to take your grandkids (and great grands, if you have them) and teach them the truth, not just about America, but Islam as well.

[berdie]

If we cannot take back the education system from the Leftists, the Republic will wither and die in the penumbra of ignorance created in the name of education.

If civics were included as part of the TEST that passing is spent on instead of true education...it might make a come back.

Yeah I know, fat chance. And if taught it would be the "new improved" civics. 

[libertybele]

Trump has been denied the same due process afforded to every other American under the Constitution  -- how has that been allowed?  Where was the oversight on all of this mess - better yet who? The House judiciary? Shouldn't the DOJ  have intervened?

This is extremely concerning; once set of rules for the GOP and one set of rules for the DEMS.  Once the DEMS hold the majority that same practice will continue -- God help us.

[libertybele]

All the more reason to take your grandkids (and great grands, if you have them) and teach them the truth, not just about America, but Islam as well.

In order for them to succeed they still have to go through the liberal school system---colleges deeply frown upon those who speak with a conservative voice.

[roamer_1]

Trump has been denied the same due process afforded to every other American under the Constitution  -- how has that been allowed?  Where was the oversight on all of this mess - better yet who? The House judiciary? Shouldn't the DOJ  have intervened?

This is extremely concerning; once set of rules for the GOP and one set of rules for the DEMS.  Once the DEMS hold the majority that same practice will continue -- God help us.

No, he has not. The trial has not yet begun.
All that has occurred thus far is the indictment.
How much control and influence do YOU have over whether you will be indicted?
Answer: zero.

[Fishrrman]

Joe wrote:
"They are all braying that sort of nonsense. Prove his innocence... Just because we didn't find proof of wrongdoing doesn't mean it didn't occur..."

How can one "prove" innocence of "a crime" that never occurred?
There never exisited anything to be "innocent" of.
Hence, evidence that provides "proof" isn't possible because there is no evidence of crime in the first place.

[Smokin Joe]

Joe wrote:
"They are all braying that sort of nonsense. Prove his innocence... Just because we didn't find proof of wrongdoing doesn't mean it didn't occur..."

How can one "prove" innocence of "a crime" that never occurred?
There never exisited anything to be "innocent" of.
Hence, evidence that provides "proof" isn't possible because there is no evidence of crime in the first place.

"Have you quit beating your wife yet?" Answer, yes or no. That is the sort of rhetorical trap the Dems have tried to herd this POTUS into. Failing that, they are saying because they suspect a crime may have happened (and if after three years plus of this BS they haven't found one, well, maybe there is nothing to find) he's guilty!
Yet they have not said what crime he is guilty of. It's like being told, "Well, you know what you did" when ask why you're being punished when you did nothing wrong (something that made me lose respect for teachers way back in grade school).

When this is over, they will either have found a crime or not. If not, they should be censured and removed for continuing this farce. I could retire beyond my wildest dreams on what has been spent on all this.

[FeelNoPain]

Exactly.   We need to bring back the good old days where Civics is taught in public schools.  Alas, unless we can take back the education system from the leftists, that will never happen.

Agreed. Then maybe we wouldn't have ignorant leftists saying things like this on live television:

“I like taking the guns early,” he said, adding, “Take the guns first, go through due process second.”

We should have stormed Washington with pitchforks when Obama said this!

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Trump has been denied the same due process afforded to every other American under the Constitution  -- how has that been allowed?  Where was the oversight on all of this mess - better yet who? The House judiciary? Shouldn't the DOJ  have intervened?

This is extremely concerning; once set of rules for the GOP and one set of rules for the DEMS.  Once the DEMS hold the majority that same practice will continue -- God help us.

No, he has not. The trial has not yet begun.
All that has occurred thus far is the indictment.
How much control and influence do YOU have over whether you will be indicted?
Answer: zero.

You must not have read the article.

Here's the quote from Hoyer
Hoyer, the number-two Democrat in the House, defended the House's impeachment inquiry last month by remarking that Trump was afforded "every opportunity to prove his innocence."

How do you stretch what Hoyer said is in any way adherence to due process by making him prove his innocence, even if it was an indictment?

[Smokin Joe]

Frankly, grasshoppers, there is wisdom in not providing Brady Material to the prosecution.
It keeps your witnesses healthy and free of attack.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Exactly.   We need to bring back the good old days where Civics is taught in public schools.  Alas, unless we can take back the education system from the leftists, that will never happen.

Look who agrees with you (us) @XenaLee

Watch from 4:00 ...


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[roamer_1]

No, he has not. The trial has not yet begun.
All that has occurred thus far is the indictment.
How much control and influence do YOU have over whether you will be indicted?
Answer: zero.
You must not have read the article.

Here's the quote from Hoyer
Hoyer, the number-two Democrat in the House, defended the House's impeachment inquiry last month by remarking that Trump was afforded "every opportunity to prove his innocence."

How do you stretch what Hoyer said is in any way adherence to due process by making him prove his innocence, even if it was an indictment?

You are also welcome to prove your innocence at a Grand Jury proceeding... But most lawyers would advise against it. 

Look I get it. It's a witch hunt.
But that is hardly unexpected. In fact, it was and remains wholly predictable.
As is his opportunity to defend in the Senate, and the all but assured acquittal on partisan lines.

As the World Turns.
*YAWN*

What is amazing is how all y'all get your panties in a wad over all this cockamamie drama.
Seriously... It's really soap opera worthy nonsense.
I remain comfortably numb to it all, and I would suppose the same from most of America.

[XenaLee]

Look who agrees with you (us) @XenaLee

Watch from 4:00 ...


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What Dreyfuss fails to realize or to acknowledge is... the radical leftist Democrats don't want the kids in public schools educated in civics or government.  Why?   Because they might then know how things should be vs. how they are and how Democrats have made them.  Can't have that.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

You are also welcome to prove your innocence at a Grand Jury proceeding... But most lawyers would advise against it. 

Look I get it. It's a witch hunt.
But that is hardly unexpected. In fact, it was and remains wholly predictable.
As is his opportunity to defend in the Senate, and the all but assured acquittal on partisan lines.

As the World Turns.
*YAWN*

What is amazing is how all y'all get your panties in a wad over all this cockamamie drama.
Seriously... It's really soap opera worthy nonsense.
I remain comfortably numb to it all, and I would suppose the same from most of America.

So why the claim that this is not a disregard for due process?

Do you even realize a lot of the 'due process' we have cemented within our Constitution is not about a trial?  Yet you give short shrift to any of that.

Naw, what is amazing to me is your nonchalant attitude in what is happening to the systematic destruction of this country by not standing up against those who wish to destroy it.

You have already made it clear you believe the war is lost.  You have said that many times.

Everything you say has that as a statement that you intend to do nothing to help this republic.