Hoyer and others have made comments which would turn American concepts of jurisprudence on their heads. They're wrong, and it has been pointed out, but the only trial which has happened is in the court of public opinion, and the Dems are already losing that, even among their own. It took threats of withholding DNC support for reelection to herd those cat in line this time. Think about that.
Hoyer made comments and you seem to dismiss them as somewhat wrong but irrelevant. As the second in position in the House, his comments wield an inordinate amount of power. As Doug Collins correctly points out, what he said should send shudders down the spine of all Americans. The fact that Hoyer takes no rebuke for his statement speaks volumes about the power he has, and people should think about that.
As for @roamer_1 and others like us who can't see what to stand for aside from principle right now, we're here, we're making our opinions known. That, at least gives people a mark to shoot for, and the awareness that we want to be free of any human masters, no matter what Party they belong to, no matter what their vision of world domination, be it corporate or communistic or Islamist. None of those appeal, and if voices crying forth from the wilderness about Liberty aren't enough to remind you that being beholden to any master except Our Creator is slavery, by degrees and varying benevolence, but nonetheless bondage, then you aren't seeing that those reminders are a contribution to the fight.
Of course all on this board wish to be free of human masters save a few obvious trolls. That goes without saying those are principles we both agree on.
The member you speak of has already declared on many occasions his opinions that 'The War is Lost' and wishes to hide out in his secluded enclave to let others flesh out this country's problems. Is that a sensible way to preserve this country? I think not. Pontificating opinions without actionable followups will not preserve us. Leading and convincing others, even by small increments, is far better.
It boils down to what goal you are fighting for, and while principle gives a clear mark, fighting solely for one Party over another is just changing the fit of your chains, at least as it stands.
No one here said they would not fight, it is only a question of for whom and for what.
It is never a party one should ever be fighting for, it is for principle and country. If one party or person embraces patriotism and freedom as core principles, they or he should be supported.
We have most of our problems in this land initiated by Democrats but tacitly supported by others by non-confrontation for the most part. To continue this will destroy the country.
I will never look kindly on any who decide to sit on the sidelines watching instead of at least attempting to alter the landscape back to the original concepts laid down for our government and its relationship with the American people.
Nobody said it would be easy, as Benjamin Franklin said at the close of the Constitutional Convention "A Republic, if you can keep it".
As for fighting, I believe it is not for what as much as it is how.
As for Hoyer, he is another marginal Liberal looking for relevance, trying to control the same optics the rest of the Dems are, and falling short in principle. Enough Americans should know he's wrong, and folks like @roamer_1 and, for that matter, most of us here, will remind anyone that the presumption of innocence is a paramount principle of American Jurisprudence. Beyond that, pass the popcorn.
As I had said, Hoyer is not just another marginal liberal. He is second in the House and dictates policy for the majority there.
I do not cavalierly dismiss this seed he plants to erode our system of justice in this country, especially as the media, which can court public opinion far better than any other way, will distort this to Hoyer's benefit.
