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BREAKING: Trump Issues Statment To Ralph Northam In Virgin – As Tension Heighten With Militarized Police On Stand By

(Breitbart) – On January 17, 2020, President Donald Trump pointed to the gun control situation in Virginia, noting that it proves once more the Democrats “will take your guns” if voted into office.

He made this point amid the all-out war on guns by Gov. Ralph Northam (D) and the newly elected Democrat majority in the state legislature.

https://outragedpatriot.com/breaking-trump-issues-statment-to-ralph-northam-in-virgin-as-tension-heighten-with-militarized-police-on-stand-by/

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The senate in VA hasn't learned yet how to do this right... in CA the rats pass massive bills with all kinds of unrelated noxious crap in them in the middle of the night, and conspire with the local media to report none of it.

We wake up two or three days/weeks later and its 'oh yeah, thats been law for some time now'.

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Once more, Mr. Trump is right.

Now... can the president "stay the hand" of the governor of Virginia, IF the governor tries to use the VA National Guard against its own people...?

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The senate in VA hasn't learned yet how to do this right... in CA the rats pass massive bills with all kinds of unrelated noxious crap in them in the middle of the night, and conspire with the local media to report none of it.

We wake up two or three days/weeks later and its 'oh yeah, thats been law for some time now'.
You got that right, like how they passed their ammunition bill that disenfranchises a huge group of legal Americans from being able to by ammunition in the state and makes you a criminal if you buy in another state and bring it home to California. I'm sure this has really impacted the actual criminals and kept ammunition out of their hands.

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Once more, Mr. Trump is right.

Now... can the president "stay the hand" of the governor of Virginia, IF the governor tries to use the VA National Guard against its own people...?

Good question, but I don't think so.  State laws and the rights of the states supersedes federal law - under the 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

However, one could argue that the 2A is delegated by the Constitution -- so -- perhaps a case eventually for the SCOTUS?
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Good question, but I don't think so.  State laws and the rights of the states supersedes federal law - under the 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

However, one could argue that the 2A is delegated by the Constitution -- so -- perhaps a case eventually for the SCOTUS?

Trump could federalize the guard and rescind any state orders!
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Good question, but I don't think so.  State laws and the rights of the states supersedes federal law - under the 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

However, one could argue that the 2A is delegated by the Constitution -- so -- perhaps a case eventually for the SCOTUS?

The real issue isn't as much the Second Amendment itself.  That was held in in McDonald v. City of Chicago to be incorporated into the 14th Amendment's Due Process clause, and therefore applicable to states as well as the federal government.  So, the 2nd Amendment applies to state governments despite the 10th Amendment.

The real issue is more procedural, and relates to the interaction between the police power and the courts.  If Virginia's new law is unconstitutional, then it must be declared as such by federal courts, which would then strike it down.  At that point, Virginia would not be permitted to enforce its law. But the courts are the mechanism to resolve that -- Trump really can't give a direct order to the state government, or order in federal troops, etc., absent a court decision/order.

What he can do is use the bully pulpit to try to convince Northam that this is a terrible idea.


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The real issue isn't as much the Second Amendment itself.  That was held in in McDonald v. City of Chicago to be incorporated into the 14th Amendment's Due Process clause, and therefore applicable to states as well as the federal government.  So, the 2nd Amendment applies to state governments despite the 10th Amendment.

The real issue is more procedural, and relates to the interaction between the police power and the courts.  If Virginia's new law is unconstitutional, then it must be declared as such by federal courts, which would then strike it down.  At that point, Virginia would not be permitted to enforce its law. But the courts are the mechanism to resolve that -- Trump really can't give a direct order to the state government, or order in federal troops, etc., absent a court decision/order.

What he can do is use the bully pulpit to try to convince Northam that this is a terrible idea.

I didn't realize it until I listened to Glenn Beck the other day -- the local sheriff's departments are bound to the Constitution -- not to local laws.  (If I'm understanding correctly what Beck stated).
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I didn't realize it until I listened to Glenn Beck the other day -- the local sheriff's departments are bound to the Constitution -- not to local laws.  (If I'm understanding correctly what Beck stated).

The problem is that there isn't a federal court order striking down what Northam did.  If there was, then you'd have a different situation.  But unless/until the order gets stricken by a federal court -- and I believe there was a motion for an injunction that was denied -- those cops are going to follow state law.  Armchair lawyers like Beck are just going to confuse people.

That being said, if a lot of people show up with guns, I don't think the sheriffs or PD are going to provoke a confrontation by attempting to disarm them.
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Once more, Mr. Trump is right.

Now... can the president "stay the hand" of the governor of Virginia, IF the governor tries to use the VA National Guard against its own people...?

Trump needs to make it crystal clear if Northam does that, he will federalize them and use them to protect the Virginia people.

And have Northam and the Lt. Gov arrested.
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The real issue is more procedural, and relates to the interaction between the police power and the courts.  If Virginia's new law is unconstitutional, then it must be declared as such by federal courts, which would then strike it down.

It can also be filed in Commonwealth court.  Unfortunately, no one has taken any legal action so far.  Liberals would have been ready to file the second the governor signed the bill had it been the other way.
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Trump could federalize the guard and rescind any state orders!

Under Commonwealth law, any person between the ages of 16 and 55 is considered to be a militia member.  I don't see National Guard members firing on fellow militia members.
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Good question, but I don't think so.  State laws and the rights of the states supersedes federal law - under the 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

However, one could argue that the 2A is delegated by the Constitution -- so -- perhaps a case eventually for the SCOTUS?

It is settled that the Second Amendment protects an
individual right to keep and bear arms that applies
against both the Federal Government and the States.


District of Columbia v. Heller 554 U. S. 570 (2008);
McDonald v. Chicago 561 U. S. 742 (2010)
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