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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2020, 12:54:40 am »
Quote from: skeeter on January 19, 2020, 12:50:12 am
Y'know the NTer's will deny it till the cows come home, but in their zeal to trash Trump they really are in effect defending the Clintons. I'm sure Bill Clinton would LOVE for people to believe he is guilty of nothing more than Trump is guilty of.

Hogwash.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2020, 01:02:31 am »
Quote from: musiclady on January 19, 2020, 12:53:51 am
That’s about the size of it.  :shrug:

Since I always thought politicians are generally devoid of character, that was never an issue for me (this is just me).  Criminality is another matter, and in that regard there is an ocean of difference between Clinton and Trump.  As a law-based society, that's much easier to measure.  Character is like opinions...everybody has one.  It's subjective.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2020, 01:02:36 am »
Quote from: skeeter on January 19, 2020, 12:25:32 am
Leaving aside the effect each as leader had/is having on the nation, frat boys and serial sexual harrassers/felons aren't equivalent.

You can discern the difference, can't you?

   No, I can't. Neither of them is a benign, aged "frat boy." Trump and Clinton have serial abused less powerful women all their adult lives. If one of their victims was someone you loved, would you like others to describe him as a "frat boy?" 40+ women aren't lying about Trump any more than they are lying about Weinstein, Cosby, Lauer or Clinton. There are plenty of billionaires and celebrities who somehow navigate their way through life without having dozens of accusations of rape and sexual assault.

   Therefore, if a person who decided to conveniently forget that they considered Bill Clinton morally unworthy 20 years ago, now believes that character doesn't matter, that's their choice. To me, "I didn't elect a priest" sounds like some bullsh*t a Clinton defender would have said in the 90's and neither Trump, Clinton or anyone else is worth spitting in the face of my ancestors, my parents, those who contributed to my upbringing, or my children, by abdicating the core values instilled in me and which have served me well thus far. Some things should be non-negotiable. I don't care how many scary caravans, Deep State villains, Squad congresswomen, or Hungarian octogenarians that Hannity tries to frighten me with.
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"I’d like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem...

To demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol: you have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction: you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law: you will pay." - President Donald J. Trump, January 7th, 2021

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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2020, 01:15:56 am »
Why are you here, @FeelNoPain ?
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2020, 01:23:44 am »
Quote from: mountaineer on January 19, 2020, 01:15:56 am
Why are you here, @FeelNoPain ?

Because it isn't a mindless echo chamber.

Why are you here?

I apologize. I should not presume the tenor of your question.
 
I am a man who spends a good deal of his time around urban blacks and Latinos and I see the pernicious effects of the Left's governance on a daily basis. I see the designed dependency, the tacitly condoned unaccountability, irresponsibility, lack of standards, criminality, etc and I know it is destruction itself--calculated or otherwise. 

But, I do not think you can address one without the other. The other is the moral rot. The ethical vacuum. Trump lacks the moral credibility, maturity, empathy, or gravitas to lead, to unite, to foster. So, he demeans, degrades, bullies, lies, whines, self-serves, and further divides. If one feels that Trump is "on my side" then one ignores how defective he demonstrates that he is on a daily basis. One believes that everyone else is wrong ("Never Trumpers!), everyone else is corrupt ("Swamp Dweller!"), everyone else is lying ("The 40+ lying women!"), everyone else is out to get him ("Deep State!"), every story that doesn't paint him with slavish adoration is libel (Fake News!"). "Lock her up! Build the Wall! Drain the Swamp! MAGA! YEEEEEEARGH!!!!!"

So, that's where I'm at. I'm here because I agree with the majority of denizens of this board on almost every issue except the Trump cognitive dissonance.
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"I’d like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem...

To demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol: you have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction: you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law: you will pay." - President Donald J. Trump, January 7th, 2021

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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2020, 01:39:32 am »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 19, 2020, 01:23:44 am
Because it isn't a mindless echo chamber.

Then we agree about that, because I would not Admin an echo chamber.  I'm glad you are here, even if we disagree about some things. :beer:
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2020, 01:48:06 am »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 19, 2020, 01:02:36 am
   No, I can't. Neither of them is a benign, aged "frat boy." Trump and Clinton have serial abused less powerful women all their adult lives. If one of their victims was someone you loved, would you like others to describe him as a "frat boy?" 40+ women aren't lying about Trump any more than they are lying about Weinstein, Cosby, Lauer or Clinton. There are plenty of billionaires and celebrities who somehow navigate their way through life without having dozens of accusations of rape and sexual assault.

   Therefore, if a person who decided to conveniently forget that they considered Bill Clinton morally unworthy 20 years ago, now believes that character doesn't matter, that's their choice. To me, "I didn't elect a priest" sounds like some bullsh*t a Clinton defender would have said in the 90's and neither Trump, Clinton or anyone else is worth spitting in the face of my ancestors, my parents, those who contributed to my upbringing, or my children, by abdicating the core values instilled in me and which have served me well thus far. Some things should be non-negotiable. I don't care how many scary caravans, Deep State villains, Squad congresswomen, or Hungarian octogenarians that Hannity tries to frighten me with.

Wow Trump must be the most crafty sexual harrasser ever. 40+ claims and not a single successful lawsuit.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2020, 01:53:05 am »
Quote from: skeeter on January 19, 2020, 12:50:12 am
Y'know the NTer's will deny it till the cows come home, but in their zeal to trash Trump they really are in effect defending the Clintons. I'm sure Bill Clinton would LOVE for people to believe he is guilty of nothing more than Trump is guilty of.


   With all due respect @skeeter I just don't see it that way.  Some of us NT'ers haven't wavered on the despicability of the Clinton's, just, still, haven't forgotten how Trumper's crammed him down our throat in 2016 when there was a much better, proven Conservative, and in spite of the twisted logic on display here, ELECTABLE, alternative . 

   Now most any Conservative has 'no choice' but to dance with the one who brung us and he will probably get my vote in Texas. 

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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2020, 01:54:22 am »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 18, 2020, 11:15:28 pm
They sure don't.

Just as many Trump supporters correctly found Bill Clinton to be a shameless, morally unqualified pervert, inveterate lying, adulterous degenerate, serial sexual assaulter of women with too deficient of a character to be president.

With Trump, they don't seem to mind.

I know, right?  :beer:
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2020, 02:00:43 am »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 18, 2020, 11:37:54 pm
3. Since Trump hasn't committed any crime, the GOP should stop fighting against calling witnesses.

I wasn't aware that Republicans were fighting against calling witnesses.  It has been my understanding that since Day One, Republicans have been asking for Ciaramella, Schiff, Biden, etc., to testify.  Where do you get this crazy idea that Republicans are fighting against witness testimony?
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2020, 02:05:52 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 19, 2020, 02:00:43 am
I wasn't aware that Republicans were fighting against calling witnesses.  It has been my understanding that since Day One, Republicans have been asking for Ciaramella, Schiff, Biden, etc., to testify.  Where do you get this crazy idea that Republicans are fighting against witness testimony?

I'm fine with witlesses, provided Trump gets to call them too.  I can easily envision the Senate allowing Schitt's witlesses, but not Trump's.  Rand Paul has said McConnell is considering a plan to allow the full Senate to vote on every witness, and that Trump witnesses will never get 51 votes because of the Nevers in the Senate, including the Usual Suspects like Murkowski and Romney.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2020, 02:09:34 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 19, 2020, 01:39:32 am
Then we agree about that, because I would not Admin an echo chamber.  I'm glad you are here, even if we disagree about some things. :beer:

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"I’d like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem...

To demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol: you have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction: you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law: you will pay." - President Donald J. Trump, January 7th, 2021

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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2020, 02:14:24 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 19, 2020, 02:05:52 am
I'm fine with witlesses, provided Trump gets to call them too.  I can easily envision the Senate allowing Schitt's witlesses, but not Trump's.  Rand Paul has said McConnell is considering a plan to allow the full Senate to vote on every witness,l. .  .

The rules in place now (i.e. the same rules Clinton had) are sufficient.  They don't need new rules.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2020, 02:16:11 am »
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"I’d like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem...

To demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol: you have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction: you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law: you will pay." - President Donald J. Trump, January 7th, 2021

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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2020, 02:20:22 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 19, 2020, 02:14:24 am
The rules in place now (i.e. the same rules Clinton had) are sufficient.  They don't need new rules.

They voted on witnesses after the first phase of the Impeachment trial with Clinton as they will now.  There is still plenty of opportunity to screw the pooch, and McConnell has floated the idea of voting on each witness separately.  We may have the same rules for the first part that are the same as for Clinton, but there is no guarantee that will hold for the next phase.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2020, 02:25:34 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 19, 2020, 02:14:24 am
The rules in place now (i.e. the same rules Clinton had) are sufficient.  They don't need new rules.

Pshaw. Why should Trump be constrained by precedent? Let's have a spectacle, baby!

I want them all. Parnas, Hunter, Eric C., Schifty-Schiff, Mikey P., Big Mikey P, Bolton, Sleepy Joe, Nunes, Nunes' cow, etc.

Think of the ratings. When Trump does something, he does it big!
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"I’d like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem...

To demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol: you have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction: you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law: you will pay." - President Donald J. Trump, January 7th, 2021

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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2020, 03:02:34 am »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 19, 2020, 02:25:34 am
Pshaw. Why should Trump be constrained by precedent? Let's have a spectacle, baby!

I want them all. Parnas, Hunter, Eric C., Schifty-Schiff, Mikey P., Big Mikey P, Bolton, Sleepy Joe, Nunes, Nunes' cow, etc.

Works for me.  How refreshing it would be to have actual witnesses considering how Trump was impeached by a House Judiciary Comittee that failed to call a single one.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2020, 03:07:50 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 19, 2020, 01:53:05 am

   With all due respect @skeeter Some of us NT'ers ... still haven't forgotten how Trumper's crammed him down our throat in 2016 when there was a much better, proven Conservative, and in spite of the twisted logic on display here, ELECTABLE, alternative .     

The Senator has been extremely supportive of the President, so apparently he has moved on from 2015/2016 @corbe  Maybe you should, too.

The tantrum has run it's course.  It's stale and speaks poorly of those who keep pushing their clenched fists in everyone's face.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2020, 03:10:10 am »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 19, 2020, 02:25:34 am
Pshaw. Why should Trump be constrained by precedent? Let's have a spectacle, baby!

I want them all. Parnas, Hunter, Eric C., Schifty-Schiff, Mikey P., Big Mikey P, Bolton, Sleepy Joe, Nunes, Nunes' cow, etc.

Think of the ratings. When Trump does something, he does it big!

Care to share your opinion on Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler's roles in this "spectacle, baby!"?
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2020, 03:35:44 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 19, 2020, 03:07:50 am
The Senator has been extremely supportive of the President, so apparently he has moved on from 2015/2016 @corbe  Maybe you should, too.

The tantrum has run it's course.  It's stale and speaks poorly of those who keep pushing their clenched fists in everyone's face.


   Yea, @Right_in_Virginia that sounds like the same crap you yankees have been peddling on us Southerners all along~'The Civil War was about 'Slaves Rights'.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2020, 03:58:06 am »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 19, 2020, 01:23:44 am

I am a man who spends a good deal of his time around urban blacks and Latinos and I see the pernicious effects of the Left's governance on a daily basis. I see the designed dependency, the tacitly condoned unaccountability, irresponsibility, lack of standards, criminality, etc and I know it is destruction itself--calculated or otherwise. 

I feel you, @FeelNoPain .  I was in your position during the Bush Sr. & Clinton years.  I learned that people are not looking at the President as a role model.

I didn't vote for Trump.  I don't support a lot of things he does (#1 deficit spending).  However, I am not going to ignore the good things he does simply because he's been married three times or got it on with a porn star.  Everyone has flaws.  The Bible is filled with flawed people.  But I will always count myself as #NeverLiberal - not #NeverTrump.  When Trump signs a budget that is $2 trillion in the red, I will scream bloody murder.  But when he strengthens religious freedom, cuts red tape, or restores State's rights, then he gets bigtime kudos.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2020, 04:52:37 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 19, 2020, 03:10:10 am
Care to share your opinion on Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler's roles in this "spectacle, baby!"?

No, I most certainly will not! [haughty voice]

(Truthfully, I'm too stupid to understand what you are asking.  333cleo )
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2020, 10:11:42 am »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 19, 2020, 02:25:34 am
Pshaw. Why should Trump be constrained by precedent? Let's have a spectacle, baby!

I want them all. Parnas, Hunter, Eric C., Schifty-Schiff, Mikey P., Big Mikey P, Bolton, Sleepy Joe, Nunes, Nunes' cow, etc.

Think of the ratings. When Trump does something, he does it big!
As if three years of witch hunt, televised nightly hasn't been a spectacle?

Every breaking nothingburger has been the bombshell (dud) that will guarantee the chief witch in the hunt gets to lead the coven in perpetuity. Pelosi will not be treated kindly by any honest history, and may well get credit for the destruction of the Rat party.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2020, 12:49:57 pm »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 19, 2020, 01:23:44 am
Because it isn't a mindless echo chamber.

Why are you here?

I apologize. I should not presume the tenor of your question.
No, you shouldn't. Thank you for your response.
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Re: Pelosi offers message to Trump on Bill Maher show: 'You are impeached forever'
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2020, 05:01:08 pm »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on January 19, 2020, 04:52:37 am
No, I most certainly will not! [haughty voice]

(Truthfully, I'm too stupid to understand what you are asking.  333cleo )

Well.... self-awareness can often be painful.  Yet, the irony of your nic...lolololol.
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