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Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« on: January 17, 2020, 03:04:50 pm »
January 17, 2020
Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
By T.L. Davis

By all appearances, Governor Northam of Virginia is trying to start Civil War Two.  Northam has already inflamed his own citizens by calls for gun confiscation, and some other members of the State Assembly have suggested activating and sending out the National Guard to enforce unpopular gun legislation.  Northam's rhetoric has already caused 102 counties and cities in Virginia to pass Second Amendment sanctuary laws that prevent local government from expending tax funds or resources on enforcing laws passed by the state that citizens feel violate the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

When the Virginia Civil Defense League (VCDL) announced that it would be holding its annual lobby day on January 20, 2020, proponents of the sanctuary laws and citizens residing in the localities vowed to show up as a sign of their displeasure and opposition to laws already on the docket for the 2020 legislative session.  This surge of participation in the annual lobby day held by VCDL garnered national attention from gun rights groups, defendants of the Constitution, and bloggers in the gun rights blogosphere to rally behind the effort.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2020, 03:11:43 pm »
May not be the start...

But history may see it as one of the flash points.   Kind of like John Brown's raid.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2020, 03:15:31 pm »
At one time, I tried to follow the principle of not ascribing malice when the matter could be understood as stupidity. To an extent, I still try. But, it becomes less tenable by the day

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2020, 03:20:56 pm »
At one time, I tried to follow the principle of not ascribing malice when the matter could be understood as stupidity. To an extent, I still try. But, it becomes less tenable by the day

It's a worthwhile rule of thumb, but Virginia Dems' @#$% has gone beyond what can be adequately explained by stupidity. They're trying to stir up as much @#$% as possible as fast as possible. I don't think they anticipated the degree to which many counties' and cities' LEOs have pushed back. And they're liable to find similar, maybe less organized, push-back from state troopers as well.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2020, 03:25:22 pm »
Everyone that was elected last november used gun confiscation as their platform and yet we only had 30 or 40% voter turn out.....
We are here because to many people cannot be bothered to vote and I would bet that they are the ones yelling the loudest.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2020, 03:44:33 pm »
It's a worthwhile rule of thumb, 
Hanlon's razor

Hanlon's razor is an aphorism expressed in various ways, including:

    Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.[1]

Probably named after a Robert J. Hanlon, it is a philosophical razor which suggests a way of eliminating unlikely explanations for human behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor


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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2020, 03:49:26 pm »
IF Northam manages to start a "civil" war it will be the first.  We haven't had one yet despite the propaganda you've all been fed.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2020, 03:55:16 pm »
IF Northam manages to start a "civil" war it will be the first.  We haven't had one yet despite the propaganda you've all been fed.

At first glance, I would tend to agree.  OTOH, once the Anti 2A faction has a few successful gun confiscation victories , this thing could go south quick.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2020, 03:55:53 pm »
IF Northam manages to start a "civil" war it will be the first.  We haven't had one yet despite the propaganda you've all been fed.
Right.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2020, 04:07:47 pm »
Right.

Great new (I think) Tag line @Smokin Joe!  And 100% correct!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2020, 04:12:54 pm »
Great new (I think) Tag line @Smokin Joe!  And 100% correct!
Thanks, the taglines have been there for a while. Just the truth.
They (communists, etc.) keep rebranding totalitarianism to try to sell the same failed concepts that have killed millions, but anyone who pays attention knows it for what it is.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2020, 04:26:17 pm »

They (communists, etc.) keep rebranding totalitarianism to try to sell the same failed concepts that have killed millions, but anyone who pays attention knows it for what it is.
Exactly!  And what they don't realize, it is a one way street.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2020, 04:36:40 pm »
Everyone that was elected last november used gun confiscation as their platform and yet we only had 30 or 40% voter turn out.....
We are here because to many people cannot be bothered to vote and I would bet that they are the ones yelling the loudest.

Exactly right.   And... funny how the ones that claim they "have no dog in this hunt" and refuse to get out and vote against the gun-grabbing leftists always seem to have a LOT to say about the aftermath of not voting against the radical left.  Stop talking, stop whining and vote next time, dammit!
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2020, 04:40:31 pm »
Exactly right.   And... funny how the ones that claim they "have no dog in this hunt" and refuse to get out and vote against the gun-grabbing leftists always seem to have a LOT to say about the aftermath of not voting against the radical left.  Stop talking, stop whining and vote next time, dammit!
Ed Galespi was not conservative enough or was not articulate enough or or or.. So I'll show'em, I will stay home and not vote....
Now we are screwed....

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2020, 04:54:59 pm »
He thinks he is, but I don't think he's measured the whirlwind he'd reap from it correctly.

What would be funny, is if Northam pushes it and calls out the Nat'l Guard, then Trump activates and federalizes them to protect VA citizens from their own state govt.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2020, 04:55:49 pm »
Ed Galespi was not conservative enough or was not articulate enough or or or.. So I'll show'em, I will stay home and not vote....
Now we are screwed....

And... if enough of these type of idiots stay home and don't vote next November....

the entire nation would be screwed.  Probably for good and forever.

Barring something unforseen, I don't think that's going to happen, though.  I think there are enough folks out there that are just as pissed and seething at the rats as I am....that they/we will crawl over broken glass to vote against their leftist DemocRat insanity.

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2020, 09:04:43 pm »
Exactly right.   And... funny how the ones that claim they "have no dog in this hunt" and refuse to get out and vote against the gun-grabbing leftists always seem to have a LOT to say about the aftermath of not voting against the radical left.  Stop talking, stop whining and vote next time, dammit!

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2020, 09:21:30 pm »
*****rollingeyes*****

You cannot vote AGAINST anything. Your vote is an endorsement.

Give me something to vote *for*

Maybe you can't.   But I can.   And DO!   And will!!!    :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2020, 09:25:26 pm »
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...     SITUATIONAL AWARENESS: There have been many rumors, videos, and articles flying around the internet. We cannot stress enough that this is a peaceful day to assemble and address our Legislature about protecting our right to keep and bear arms. Lobby Day is NOT about statues, flags, racism, sexism, or anything other than protecting the right to keep and bear arms for ALL law-abiding citizens.

Yes, we hold a rally, but the point of the day is communication with our legislators. (Note that a rally is not the same thing as a protest.)

To our knowledge, there are no credible threats of violence. That being said, please practice appropriate situational awareness. IF YOU SEE A BAD ACTOR flag down a police officer and point it out. If someone tries to provoke you, smile and walk away. There is probably someone secretly recording the interaction, with the intent of capturing some kind of inappropriate reaction on your part. Don't take the bait. It's not worth the bad press. Again, you might want to notify law enforcement of such bad actors.  ...
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2020, 09:41:09 pm »
Maybe you can't.   But I can.   And DO!   And will!!!    :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:

No you don't. Your vote is an endorsement FOR Tumpy the Clown. That is all it can be.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2020, 09:43:26 pm »
No you don't. Your vote is an endorsement FOR Tumpy the Clown. That is all it can be.

Gosh.... this is such fun (somehow, it never gets old).   Kinda feels like Groundhog Day!   

 :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2020, 09:49:58 pm »
Gosh.... this is such fun (somehow, it never gets old).   Kinda feels like Groundhog Day!   

 :silly: :silly: :silly:

Believe me, I wish there was a vote 'against'.
I would be happy to vote

[X] None of the Above.

Maybe then we'd get a mulligan.

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2020, 10:02:14 pm »
@roamer_1 @XenaLee
Maybe we can leave that age old argument for a diff thread.   What’s happening in Virginia May be of huge importance so let’s not derail.  This has nothing whatsoever to do with trump.

As I said on another thread:

Let’s just say:  having a vested interest, I am planning on being there.  The tenor of everything I’m seeing and hearing is that pretty much everyone is still planning on being armed.  Especially because Northam’s Emerg Declaration is in violation of a 2012 Va Law expressly forbidding govt from infringing on the 2A when an emergency declaration is issued. (He’s skirting that by declaring Capitol Square a shelter)

The scuttlebutt says that the gov is limiting access to Capitol Square to one gate with a metal detector.   They’ve already surrounded the rest of the square with fencing/barricades. 

I’m betting that the lone access point and/or multiple sections of the barricade will be breached inside of about 15mins.

People here are pissed...like I have never seen.
Whole lot of folks are about to put the “I will not comply” to the test.
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2020, 10:05:38 pm »
People here are pissed...like I have never seen.
Whole lot of folks are about to put the “I will not comply” to the test.

GOOD!

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