Legal Expert Turley Claims Pelosi Played Right Into The Hand Of McConnell

[rangerrebew]

Legal Expert Turley Claims Pelosi Played Right Into The Hand Of McConnell

 
Jonathan Turley, a professor at George Washington University Law School, was recently called on by the House to be a legal expert for the impeachment. He was the one legal expert that openly claimed he was not a fan of Trump.  Despite his personal feelings, Turley believed that the evidence presented by the House Dems was lacking to such an extent, that he was worried it would be setting a bad precedent to move forward with the case. But the House Dems didn’t listen and moved forward anyway. Turley has been keeping tabs on the articles of impeachment and feels that now Pelosi has further damaged her own case.

 https://freedomupdates.com/the-latest/legal-expert-turley-claims-pelosi-played-right-into-the-hand-of-mcconnell/

[Fishrrman]

For "a guy on the other side", Mr. Turley has been surprisingly honest about all this nonsense...

[jafo2010]

McConnell did nothing.  Pelosi and her clown car act have shot themselves in the foot, and they now want the Senate to do their job.  I hope that does not happen.

I fully support the Senate voting to dismiss the frivolous articles of impeachment, and get on with representing the people of America.

And I think the American people need to send a message to the Democommies and vote every last one of them out of office.  Send these traitors packing.

[roamer_1]

I fully support the Senate voting to dismiss the frivolous articles of impeachment, and get on with representing the people of America.

That is unconstitutional. The Senate is obligated to try the case.

[Right Reason]

That is unconstitutional. The Senate is obligated to try the case.

Ehhhht.  Wrong.  The Senate has sole power to try any impeachment, but any first year law student knows that a trial includes pre-trial matters, including a dismissal by the judge on the basis of lack of any illegal action.  A jury does not have to find that charging somebody with "cooking eggs sunny side up too long and drying them out" is not a crime and does not deserve a day in court.

[roamer_1]

Ehhhht.  Wrong.  The Senate has sole power to try any impeachment, but any first year law student knows that a trial includes pre-trial matters, including a dismissal by the judge on the basis of lack of any illegal action.  A jury does not have to find that charging somebody with "cooking eggs sunny side up too long and drying them out" is not a crime and does not deserve a day in court.

I will disagree... The Constitution says otherwise. If articles of impeachment are served up, the Senate is obligated to try them. That means TRIAL. That trial is in the hands of the JUDGE not the Senate.

And besides, a simple dismissal is bad optics. an acquittal is worth way more than a dismissal, and may in fact be bipartisan.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I will disagree... The Constitution says otherwise. If articles of impeachment are served up, the Senate is obligated to try them. That means TRIAL. That trial is in the hands of the JUDGE not the Senate.

And besides, a simple dismissal is bad optics. an acquittal is worth way more than a dismissal, and may in fact be bipartisan.

In the case of impeachment, the Senate is both judge and jury.

[roamer_1]

In the case of impeachment, the Senate is both judge and jury.

Chief Scotus presides.

[Cyber Liberty]

Chief Scotus presides.

That makes him a judge who can be overturned by the Defense or Prosecution, provided they have 51 votes.  Not much of a "Judge," really.

[jafo2010]

The Chief Justice presides, but the Senate is in complete control.  Anything he does they do not like, they can vote and reverse anything he says or does.  He is just a hair more powerful than the Sargeant at Arms.

I say end the nonsense right up front.  The Senate can in fact dismiss the nonsense.  I thought it was an utter disgrace what the Dems did in the House.

Impeach all Dems in the House has a more likely outcome than the POTUS.  What is the criteria for removing these deranged morons?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Chief Scotus presides.

he is the presiding official, but not the judge.

The Senate body is the judge and can control the entire trial.

There have been a number of posts explaining this.

[XenaLee]

Chief Scotus presides.

And.... let me guess. 

Your current wet dream is that Roberts throws Trump under the commie leftist bus.... just like he threw America under with his ruling on Obamacare.   

Amirite?   

[roamer_1]

And.... let me guess. 

Your current wet dream is that Roberts throws Trump under the commie leftist bus.... just like he threw America under with his ruling on Obamacare.   

Amirite?   

No, you are stone-dead wrong.
I am ON THE RECORD here, several times, stating plainly that I do not believe there is enough evidence to impeach - providing of course, that we know all the evidence. So NO, my 'wet dream' is not to see Tumpy railroaded out of town on trumped-up (HA!) charges. 

I want the law upheld. I want the Constitution upheld. I want Republicans to rise above partisan politics and do the *right* thing, shouldering their Constitutional burden to perform a trial. ~A FAIR TRIAL~

I think those who wish for a summary dismissal have too much partisan mud in their eyes to see clearly, and I think it the wrong move exactly, both Constitutionally speaking and as a matter of public comity... And as a strategic action for that matter.

A public and proper (and hopefully bipartisan) acquittal is worth so very much more than a partisan dismissal.

Again, y'all are so pissed off and wanting to throw poo back, that you ain't thinking right.
Using Republican power to get him off is every bit as lame as the Democrat power that landed him where he is.

[roamer_1]

he is the presiding official, but not the judge.

The Senate body is the judge and can control the entire trial.

There have been a number of posts explaining this.

I know what has been explained.

[XenaLee]

No, you are stone-dead wrong.
I am ON THE RECORD here, several times, stating plainly that I do not believe there is enough evidence to impeach - providing of course, that we know all the evidence. So NO, my 'wet dream' is not to see Tumpy railroaded out of town on trumped-up (HA!) charges. 

I want the law upheld. I want the Constitution upheld. I want Republicans to rise above partisan politics and do the *right* thing, shouldering their Constitutional burden to perform a trial. ~A FAIR TRIAL~

I think those who wish for a summary dismissal have too much partisan mud in their eyes to see clearly, and I think it the wrong move exactly, both Constitutionally speaking and as a matter of public comity... And as a strategic action for that matter.

A public and proper (and hopefully bipartisan) acquittal is worth so very much more than a partisan dismissal.

Again, y'all are so pissed off and wanting to throw poo back, that you ain't thinking right.
Using Republican power to get him off is every bit as lame as the Democrat power that landed him where he is.

So glad to hear that you're for a fair trial and/or an acquittal.   Kudos.

As for being pissed off... you're damned straight I'm pissed off.   And every day that goes by with this hyperpartisan BS from the commie rats, I get even more pissed off, despite the incredibility of that even being possible.   Using Republican power to stop the most asinine, unfair and yes, anti-American coup ever attempted, might be a mistake.... but in reality, it makes the most sense....if anything can make sense of it all.   

But yeah, even Cruz thinks an acquittal is the only way to fly here.   But I smell a setup and another typical ambush, since I not only don't trust the rats, I also don't trust the squishes and the RINOs in the GOP.   (Which makes me even more pissed off. )     

[roamer_1]

So glad to hear that you're for a fair trial and/or an acquittal.   Kudos.

As for being pissed off... you're damned straight I'm pissed off.   And every day that goes by with this hyperpartisan BS from the commie rats, I get even more pissed off, despite the incredibility of that even being possible.   Using Republican power to stop the most asinine, unfair and yes, anti-American coup ever attempted, might be a mistake.... but in reality, it makes the most sense....if anything can make sense of it all.   

But yeah, even Cruz thinks an acquittal is the only way to fly here.   But I smell a setup and another typical ambush, since I not only don't trust the rats, I also don't trust the squishes and the RINOs in the GOP.   (Which makes me even more pissed off. )   

Pissed off is a bad way to be in a fight - or at least in the time leading up to it... When the time comes, I'll let it loose, hulk out, and kick some a$$... But for the most part, anger causes reason to be absent. That's why I don't get all verklempt over the constant and voluminous drama from BOTH sides.

It's a freakin soap show. 

And I HATE that it's participated in here, instead of properly vetting news, and reasoning through the problems to winnow out the truth in things. As a general rule, it solves nothing.

[XenaLee]

Pissed off is a bad way to be in a fight - or at least in the time leading up to it... When the time comes, I'll let it loose, hulk out, and kick some a$$... But for the most part, anger causes reason to be absent. That's why I don't get all verklempt over the constant and voluminous drama from BOTH sides.

It's a freakin soap show. 

And I HATE that it's participated in here, instead of properly vetting news, and reasoning through the problems to winnow out the truth in things. As a general rule, it solves nothing.

Bah, humbug.   I'd rather have anger issues (at the radical left)... than be a 'wussy w/a p' squish that rarely, if ever, breaks a sweat over what the leftists are attempting to do TO America.... not to mention what they've already done to America.

Besides... I'm Cherokee Irish and Sagittarius.   It's in my DNA.   

[roamer_1]

Bah, humbug.   I'd rather have anger issues (at the radical left)... than be a 'wussy w/a p' squish that rarely, if ever, breaks a sweat over what the leftists are attempting to do TO America.... not to mention what they've already done to America.

You mistake calculation for 'squish'. As a bouncer of some local fame, as a hunter, and as a trapper, I have found that calculation wins almost every time... The difference only being hard luck. And anger always, ALWAYS meets its match. It's the guy who's a coiled spring that chooses when to let it loose that is the one-hit wonder. That ain't squish. That's tough.

Besides... I'm Cherokee Irish and Sagittarius.   It's in my DNA.   

See, darlin? I knew there was a reason why I love you. 

[XenaLee]

You mistake calculation for 'squish'. As a bouncer of some local fame, as a hunter, and as a trapper, I have found that calculation wins almost every time... The difference only being hard luck. And anger always, ALWAYS meets its match. It's the guy who's a coiled spring that chooses when to let it loose that is the one-hit wonder. That ain't squish. That's tough.

See, darlin? I knew there was a reason why I love you. 

Lol!

 

[Cyber Liberty]

But yeah, even Cruz thinks an acquittal is the only way to fly here.   But I smell a setup and another typical ambush, since I not only don't trust the rats, I also don't trust the squishes and the RINOs in the GOP.   (Which makes me even more pissed off. )   

There is chicanery afoot.  In the thread about what Rand Paul is saying, there is discussion in the article about a compromise that's being floated by McConnell to have the Senate vote separately on each potential witness.  51 Senators will be able to approve Rat witnesses and reject the ones that would be in defense of Trump.  It's likely all the witnesses will be for the prosecution, and none for the defense.  There is no way 51 Senators would approve Schiff, Ciaramella, or any of the Bidens.  Trump won't get any of those.

Indeed, 

[XenaLee]

There is chicanery afoot.  In the thread about what Rand Paul is saying, there is discussion in the article about a compromise that's being floated by McConnell to have the Senate vote separately on each potential witness.  51 Senators will be able to approve Rat witnesses and reject the ones that would be in defense of Trump.  It's likely all the witnesses will be for the prosecution, and none for the defense.  There is no way 51 Senators would approve Schiff, Ciaramella, or any of the Bidens.  Trump won't get any of those.

Indeed, 

Exactly.   If it turns out that way, I guarantee that that, combined with the fascist crap coming out of Virginia (and New York, and California, and Washington, and Oregon, etc.)..... there is going to be a hella lot of "refreshing" of that tree.   Prepare.

[Cyber Liberty]

Exactly.   If it turns out that way, I guarantee that that, combined with the fascist crap coming out of Virginia (and New York, and California, and Washington, and Oregon, etc.)..... there is going to be a hella lot of "refreshing" of that tree.   Prepare.

In the article I read about Paul, he said the GOP can fully expect to lose the Senate and will not retake the House if they allow a trial with no defense witnesses.  He's right.  Even if Trump wins reelection, both houses will be against him.  McConnell can go back to the job he loves best, "Minority Leader."

[XenaLee]

In the article I read about Paul, he said the GOP can fully expect to lose the Senate and will not retake the House if they allow a trial with no defense witnesses.  He's right.  Even if Trump wins reelection, both houses will be against him.  McConnell can go back to the job he loves best, "Minority Leader."

Yes.... the Minority is much more comfy for Mitch (da Bitch) and the RINOs.   They only have to pretend to care then... vs. showing they don't care by their inaction.