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EXCLUSIVE: Jeffrey Epstein had burst capillaries in his eyeballs after he died which pathologist tells Dr. Oz suggests he was STRANGLED and did not hang himself
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    Dr. Michael Baden was among patholoigsts who examined Epstein's dead body
    In an interview on The Dr. Oz Show on Thursday, he explains why his death is suspicious
    Dr. Baden shared never-before-seen photos of Epstein's eyeballs and the burst capillaries in his eye sockets
    He said they are consistent with manual strangulation and not hanging
    He also says the bottom of Epstein's legs should have gone purple or maroon if he'd been hanging from his bedpost but they were pale
    Dr. Baden also says the 'noose' Epstein used is inconsistent with his neck injuries
    The interview, which DailyMail.com obtained an exclusive clip of, will air on The Dr. Oz Show across Fox networks on Thursday at 1pm 

By Jennifer Smith For Dailymail.com
Published: 07:45 EST, 16 January 2020 | Updated: 11:18 EST, 16 January 2020
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forensic pathologist has claimed that Jeffrey Epstein was likely murdered and did not hang himself because he had burst capillaries in his eyes which is consistent with manual strangulation and not hanging, DailyMail.com can reveal.

In an exclusive clip from a Dr. Oz special set to air on Thursday, pathologist Dr. Michael Baden examines photographs of Epstein's eyes and other parts of his lifeless body taken during his autopsy.

Dr. Baden was among physicians in the room when Epstein's autopsy took place.

He says it is highly unusual that the cause of his death went from being undetermined - when it was first ruled - to suicide by hanging five days later.   ...
FULL STORY AND PHOTOS at Daily Mail

Dr. Baden also revealed that had Epstein been hanging for some amount of time,
 the color in his lower legs and feet would have been purple or maroon. Instead, he was pale.
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So you get burst caps whether you strangle yourself or someone else does
but Baden knows the difference??? Brainless BS!!!

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So you get burst caps whether you strangle yourself or someone else does
but Baden knows the difference??? Brainless BS!!!

Brainless indeed... considering that some folks apparently don't know the difference between strangulation and (supposed) hanging.   And the ""story"" is... that Epstein hanged himself.  (duh)
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So you get burst caps whether you strangle yourself or someone else does
but Baden knows the difference??? Brainless BS!!!
I believe there is more to the  story  than that.
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Brainless indeed... considering that some folks apparently don't know the difference between strangulation and (supposed) hanging.   And the ""story"" is... that Epstein hanged himself.  (duh)

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Unless you doubt gravity,there can be no question about the feet and legs turning dark after hanging,due to the blood pooling.

I don't know about the eye thing. I can only GUESS the difference is due to the time spent dying.
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... “In a hanging, the arteries and the blood vessels, the veins are both clogged off and the person is pale. The face is pale,” Baden replies.

“With a manual strangulation, there’s a backup of a pressure and the little capillaries can rupture and they’re best seen in the eye,” he adds.  ...
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@XenaLee   Unless you doubt gravity,there can be no question about the feet and legs turning dark after hanging,due to the blood pooling.
I don't know about the eye thing. I can only GUESS the difference is due to the time spent dying.
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sneaky, You are correct - the legs would be dark purple if he died from hanging, unless they found his body within minutes of his dying.

Case in point:
I had a friend, his name was Bill.  He had pain in his hips and I was going with him to the doctor in Houston that day.  We lived in a country setting so it took an hour to get there.   I was to meet him at the restaurant in our town.  He did not come.  I called his house and there was no answer.  I went to his house, went to the back door as that door was usually open, not locked.  I did not know the first door was also unlocked.  With the front door unlocked that told me he died before he was going to lock the house at night and let the dog in.

As I was going around the house, the dog Bill owned was out (a Weimaraner who knew me as I had been there numerous times) and followed me to the backdoor. 

I looked through the window of the door and saw Bill sitting where he would sit when he read books or newspaper.  His head was down on the table and he was not moving.  I opened the door and went in with the dog beside me.  Bill still did not move.  I walked toward him and then saw his face was dark purple.  He had died, his head was down and the blood in his head had drained into his face.  The dog did not go near him, stayed by my side.  Epstein's legs would be purple from blood draining into them, just like Bill's face was purple.   Bill's lower legs were purple, also.

Bill had been among other things, a sheriff's deputy when he was younger.  He stayed at our sheriff's office a lot.  I called 911 and told the woman who answered that Bill was dead.  She said, "Oh, no!, are you sure?"  I told her his face was purple and he was dead.

I went outside and waited for sheriff whom I knew; dog stayed with me outside.  He got there with some other officers and I went in house with them.  Bill had a lot of weapons so sheriff put those in the trunk of my car so someone would not break in and get them.  Then, I called one of Bill's sons whom I knew, and told him what happened.  That was a terrible thing to call his son and tell him his father had died.  One of the officers took the dog with him.

Blood that can't circulate through the body, will pool at the lowest place.  Epstein did not hang himself, legs were not dark purple.  Think about where the body was when he died, as the blood would pool to the lowest place.  If his body was on one side, the blood would drain into that side.  If he was on his back, the blood would pool to his back.  If he was face down, the purple blood would be in his face and down the front of his body.
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@XenaLee

Unless you doubt gravity,there can be no question about the feet and legs turning dark after hanging,due to the blood pooling.

I don't know about the eye thing. I can only GUESS the difference is due to the time spent dying.
Lack of lividity in lower extremities. (Occurs from 30 minutes to two hours after death, common in cases of hanging in lower extremities, fingers, and ear lobes.)

Broken Hyoid bone (Rare that this is broken in a hanging, common in manual strangulation.)

Petechial hemorrhaging, common in instances of manual or ligature strangulation, consists of rupture of blood vessels (capillaries) both in and around eyes from overpressure.  While petechial hemorrhaging does not necessarily prove strangulation,it is common in such cases (85%). further reading

Add in that apparently no one was watching, the cameras were not functioning (for whatever reason), and a high profile suspect woke up dead in the morning, who had likely damning information on a lot of high powered political figures, and strong motive, extraordinary means, and unusual opportunity are all present.

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Epstein was not checked every 30 minutes.[34] The two guards who were assigned to check his cell overnight, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas, fell asleep at their desk[note 2] for about three hours and later falsified related records.[37][38] Two cameras in front of Epstein's cell also malfunctioned that night.[39] Another camera had footage which was "unusable."[39]
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Enough time may have passed for lividity to set in, depending on when in the 3 hours the death occurred..

Despite all attempts to write this death off as a 'suicide', forensic evidence indicates other possibilities,especially the broken hyoid.
That said, short of someone coming forward and exposing the murder, (something, in the case of murder, there is a serious disincentive for--namely that such could happen to any potential witness), we won't know with 100% certainty what transpired, only that Epstein expired.

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