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« on: January 16, 2020, 03:38:09 pm »
Check the first few paragraphs, they caught a ham sandwich on a passenger from China and that could potentially, if left unchecked, have spread this swine fever into the US.
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Disease that killed millions of China's pigs poses global threat
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CHICAGO (Reuters) - Bettie the beagle, a detector dog for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, picked up the scent of pork on a woman arriving from China at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport.

Soon the dog’s handler discovered and confiscated a ham sandwich in the purse of a passenger who had flown on a China Eastern Airlines flight from Shanghai.

The danger? That the food might be contaminated with African swine fever and spread the disease to the United States. China has lost millions of pigs in outbreaks of the disease, pushing its pork prices to record highs, forcing purchases of costly imports and roiling global meat markets.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2020, 03:07:34 am »
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China confirms 139 cases of new virus in two days


The majority of cases have been detected in the city of Wuhan

Chinese authorities have reported 139 new cases of a mysterious virus in two days, marking the first time that the infection has been confirmed in the country outside of Wuhan city.

The new cases were identified in the cities of Wuhan, Beijing and Shenzhen.

The total number of confirmed cases now exceeds 200, and three have died from the respiratory illness.

Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story

It seems like 139 is quite a jump in new cases, few people have died from it though...."reader" version used to post this.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 04:05:13 am »
It's a big jump alright.  It's bad news it's in Beijing and Shenzhen now.  I had work friends in both cities, before they stole my job so I could retire.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2020, 04:42:44 am »
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I will tell you how a new virus emerges from China and spreads around the world - I wrote about this in my book, "Emergencies Happen!  Be Prepared Now!".

I was in China and saw how it happens; not long after I got home, another new virus was in China and they did extensive research and found what I already knew due to seeing the possibility.  They could have saved a lot of money if they had called me - I would have told them - wild birds/ducks/chickens/sickness/deaths.

I was in the Chinese countryside where solid white Pekin Ducks are raised.  They live in the entire open countryside (not in pens or coops) - as far as you can see, it looks like snow covers the land.  These ducks have free roam walking among the people.  Went to an open market - the ducks were walking among us and there were dead ducks and dead chickens hanging up on wires for sale.

This is what happens and what their researchers found:
1.  Wild diseased birds land on the ducks and spread the new virus to the ducks, where they, unknowingly,
2. infect chickens on farms as they mingle among the chickens. 
3.  The farmers kill their chickens for family food, handle the dead chickens, getting the virus all over the farmer cooks, who spread the virus to the family members,
4.  who spread it to everyone with whom they come in contact so the virial disease infects others.
5.  Someone infected travels by air, spreads it to passengers who spread it when they leave the plane, and continue to infect others in the country where they now are.
6.  At the end of the research for this virus, they now know the ducks must be killed to stop the spread of the virus.  They killed all ducks where disease was.

So, now, today, there is a new virus.  Can't kill all wild birds, so, I believe thousands/to millions of Pekin Ducts are going to be killed again.  It is also possible that mosquitoes bite the wild birds, carry the virus, and then bite Pekin Ducks. 

Advice: If you fly to somewhere, do not use the first bathroom available when you get off the plane.  People tend to go to the first one so they can have more privacy than on the plane and anyone sick is for sure going to that one and they will leave virus or bacteria in that bathroom.  Wait until you get to another bathroom away from the first one.  When you have finished using the potty, do not touch your face until after you wash your hands well with provided soap and water.  After that, if you have a bottle or sheet of hand sanitizer, use it when out of the bathroom.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2020, 10:17:10 am »
What is scary about these new viruses is it takes a few months (I’m being optimistic) to make a vaccine and then a few months to bring it to market..

By then who knows how many can be infected? Look at the Spanish Flu from 1918.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2020, 02:21:58 pm »
Wuhan is a major industrial city. Shenzhen is near Hong Kong. The virus has progressed to two major international transportation hubs.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2020, 02:34:35 pm »
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As I said about the open market where ducks walk through the people and dead ducks and chickens are hanging for people to buy - this new virus came from a market where live poultry is sold:

"The virus emerged in the city of Wuhan.
The government of Wuhan, a city in central China, first confirmed on Dec. 31 that hospitals in the city were treating dozens of patients for pneumonia with an unknown cause.

Many of the cases were connected to the Huanan Seafood Market, which also sold live poultry and exotic animal meats. Considered a likely source of the virus, the market was closed and disinfected."
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2020, 02:43:17 pm »
It is not yet clear if the virus is transmittable human to human. As I understand “nearly” all “reported” cases, within and outside of China are people who live or passed through Wuhan and through exposure to animals at a market in Wuhan that sells seafood and live animals. However, health commissioners in Wuhan said on Sunday that some people who had come down with the virus had no exposure to the market but are not sure if they were at other similar markets in the city. This is what officials in China are saying however WHO is saying that there has been some human to human transmission.

If the virus has made a jump from animal > human transmission to human > human transmission that could be very bad especially since this is novel virus that I presume to which we have no immunity. And viruses have a nasty habit of mutating.

New China virus: Cases triple as infection spreads to Beijing and Shanghai

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2020, 02:47:59 pm »
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As I said about the open market where ducks walk through the people and dead ducks and chickens are hanging for people to buy - this new virus came from a market where live poultry was sold:

"The virus emerged in the city of Wuhan.
The government of Wuhan, a city in central China, first confirmed on Dec. 31 that hospitals in the city were treating dozens of patients for pneumonia with an unknown cause.

Many of the cases were connected to the Huanan Seafood Market, which also sold live poultry and exotic animal meats. Considered a likely source of the virus, the market was closed and disinfected."


But it is important to understand that while there can be animal to human transmission of some viruses, it is when it becomes transmittable human to human when it becomes a much larger concern. You can shut down markets, disinfect them, kill off all the infected animals or those suspected of being infected, but if and once it is transmittable human to human, it then becomes much more difficult to contain.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2020, 03:22:34 pm »
It is not yet clear if the virus is transmittable human to human. As I understand “nearly” all “reported” cases, within and outside of China are people who live or passed through Wuhan and through exposure to animals at a market in Wuhan that sells seafood and live animals. However, health commissioners in Wuhan said on Sunday that some people who had come down with the virus had no exposure to the market but are not sure if they were at other similar markets in the city. This is what officials in China are saying however WHO is saying that there has been some human to human transmission.

If the virus has made a jump from animal > human transmission to human > human transmission that could be very bad especially since this is novel virus that I presume to which we have no immunity. And viruses have a nasty habit of mutating.

New China virus: Cases triple as infection spreads to Beijing and Shanghai

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035

My understanding is, some of the patients never went to the Market that is the focus of the outbreak.  The implication is, they likely caught it from a human.  Human > human transmission is a possible culprit.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2020, 03:40:09 pm »
My understanding is, some of the patients never went to the Market that is the focus of the outbreak.  The implication is, they likely caught it from a human.  Human > human transmission is a possible culprit.

Yes, that seems to be the implication.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2020, 03:40:27 pm »
Now, a case in South Korea. They found one in Japan yesterday.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/01/20/SKorea-confirms-first-case-of-new-coronavirus-in-Chinese-visitor.html

I did see some article mentioning that "human-to-human" transmission. I don't want to misquote on this serious matter.

And, last week, they confiscated a "ham sandwich" coming from China of all things at O'Hare airport in Chicago. I know, that sounds a bit wild to say.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2020, 03:45:37 pm »
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Human-to-human link to some cases of new China virus, Sars expert says

    Priority now must be to stop emergence of ‘super-spreader’, with one carrier already infecting more than a dozen medical personnel, specialist says

    Authorities in Wuhan, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, report a third death and more than 130 new cases over the weekend


One of China’s leading specialists in communicable diseases has warned that human-to-human transmission is responsible for some cases of a previously unknown coronavirus that has killed three people in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

Read more at: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3046908/new-china-virus-likely-human-transmission-stage-infections

So, this expert claims it has been happening.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2020, 03:47:14 pm »
Now, a case in South Korea. They found one in Japan yesterday.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/01/20/SKorea-confirms-first-case-of-new-coronavirus-in-Chinese-visitor.html

I did see some article mentioning that "human-to-human" transmission. I don't want to misquote on this serious matter.

And, last week, they confiscated a "ham sandwich" coming from China of all things at O'Hare airport in Chicago. I know, that sounds a bit wild to say.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-disease-insight/disease-that-killed-millions-of-chinas-pigs-poses-global-threat-idUSKBN1ZF1FP


FWIW the woman in South Korea per your link: "The patient is a 35-year-old Chinese woman who flew from Wuhan."
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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2020, 01:07:04 pm »
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I wrote the below, then CNN has just come on (7 am central),saying 300 people are known to be infected in four Asian countries; it is person to person spreading; 14 nurses were infected who were taking care of those with this virus.  The World Heath people meet tomorrow about this.

Screening happening now:
"Wuhan is the most populous city in central China, with about 11 million people. All three U.S. airports where the CDC will do its screenings have direct flights from Wuhan."

"The CDC said some of the dozens of patients sickened in the 2019-nCoV outbreak may have contracted the disease from other people (it is confirmed now). Most of the patients have links to a seafood and at least one animal market, where authorities suspect they contracted the disease from an animal, the CDC said, citing Chinese health officials."
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2020, 01:31:10 pm »
Why is it that China seems to be the source for so many of these outbreaks?
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2020, 01:54:50 pm »
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I wrote the below, then CNN has just come on (7 am central),saying 300 people are known to be infected in four Asian countries; it is person to person spreading; 14 nurses were infected who were taking care of those with this virus.  The World Heath people meet tomorrow about this.

Screening happening now:
"Wuhan is the most populous city in central China, with about 11 million people. All three U.S. airports where the CDC will do its screenings have direct flights from Wuhan."

"The CDC said some of the dozens of patients sickened in the 2019-nCoV outbreak may have contracted the disease from other people (it is confirmed now). Most of the patients have links to a seafood and at least one animal market, where authorities suspect they contracted the disease from an animal, the CDC said, citing Chinese health officials."

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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2020, 02:20:33 pm »
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This may explain the spread of China's new virus


www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEARtTBHXEw4

In a nutshell you have markets in China and probably elsewhere in Asia that sell both live farm raised and live wild animals, like wild ducks and geese but also more exotic animals like civet cats, porcupines, etc., for food consumption, all together in close quarters with each other and with humans, and in very unclean conditions – lots of cross contamination, no running water….

Also factor in rivers polluted with both animal and human sewage, where, say for instance wild geese and wild duck swim and feed from that also mingle with nearby farm raised poultry.

A case can also be made for populations increases that cause land development in once remote areas where few humans previous ventured and thus never before having been exposed to some of these viruses that were long contained within the local animal populations.

Viruses are known to jump species. It is thought that bats are a natural reservoir for many viruses including SARS (as are civet cats also a natural host for SARS) and so other animals, pigs, poultry can be exposed to their droppings and if that virus makes a species jump from say from bat to bird or pig to, that virus can also make the jump to infect humans.

Sometimes a virus can only be transmitted from for example a bird to a human either through handling or consuming as food, and so that virus may not be transmittable human to human, at least until the virus makes another jump when it mutates to “see” humans as a good host for infecting others. And this appears to be what has happened in this case.

Here is another explanation that has both a video and a transcript.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/southern-china-hotbed-disease-develop

While I find most Hollywood movies that attempt to explain anything medical or scientific laughable at best, the 2011 movie Contagion did a decent job in portraying a catastrophic outbreak of a novel and deadly, easily transmitted virus. The ending shows some the scenarios I talked about above. Plus Gweneth Paltrow as patient Zero. : )


www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HH1-ozS_A&t=84s
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2020, 02:46:08 pm »
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This may explain the spread of China's new virus


www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEARtTBHXEw4

In a nutshell you have markets in China and probably elsewhere in Asia that sell both live farm raised and live wild animals, like wild ducks and geese but also more exotic animals like civet cats, porcupines, etc., for food consumption, all together in close quarters with each other and with humans, and in very unclean conditions – lots of cross contamination, no running water….

Also factor in rivers polluted with both animal and human sewage, where, say for instance wild geese and wild duck swim and feed from that also mingle with nearby farm raised poultry.

A case can also be made for populations increases that cause land development in once remote areas where few humans previous ventured and thus never before having been exposed to some of these viruses that were long contained within the local animal populations.

Viruses are known to jump species. It is thought that bats are a natural reservoir for many viruses including SARS (as are civet cats also a natural host for SARS) and so other animals, pigs, poultry can be exposed to their droppings and if that virus makes a species jump from say from bat to bird or pig to, that virus can also make the jump to infect humans.

Sometimes a virus can only be transmitted from for example a bird to a human either through handling or consuming as food, and so that virus may not be transmittable human to human, at least until the virus makes another jump when it mutates to “see” humans as a good host for infecting others. And this appears to be what has happened in this case.

Here is another explanation that has both a video and a transcript.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/southern-china-hotbed-disease-develop

While I find most Hollywood movies that attempt to explain anything medical or scientific laughable at best, the 2011 movie Contagion did a decent job in portraying a catastrophic outbreak of a novel and deadly, easily transmitted virus. The ending shows some the scenarios I talked about above. Plus Gweneth Paltrow as patient Zero. : )


www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HH1-ozS_A&t=84s

Very helpful, all of this thank you.

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This story seems to be getting bigger in coverage, "VIRUS" is the header at drudge report...

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BBC today:

New China virus: Warning against cover-up as number of cases jump

China's top leaders have warned lower-level officials not to cover up the spread of a new coronavirus that has now infected nearly 300 people.

Anyone who concealed new cases would "be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity", the political body responsible for law and order said.

The warning came as state media said six people had now died from the virus, which causes a type of pneumonia.

More:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51185836

So, the Chinese government is telling it's own, don't cover this thing up.

Lastly, there is a connection to Wuhan per the other two cases too, so all 3, Japan, South Korea and Thailand seem to have a connection to that city.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2020, 02:48:32 pm »
Just in time for the students to come back from China for Spring semester.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2020, 02:57:56 pm »
A good reason to avoid traveling outside the good ole U.S.A.   I also wouldn't be traveling aboard cruise ships; they are nothing more than a breeding ground for bacteria and viruses.  No thanks.
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2020, 03:03:34 pm »
Warning.

The CNN video shows something that will be upsetting to those of us who love our animal companions.

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2020, 01:28:43 am »
@Neverdul .

Thanks for the full explanation.

It just seems like China has more than any other country.

Conditions in other countries in that part of the world are similar to China.

The 1918 flu originated in China.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2020, 01:37:34 am »
I would bet there are more than 1000 cases.  Never trust the chink republic to be truthful.
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