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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2020, 10:02:07 am »
Because this plan was Ukraine Airlines, some people have been looking at a possibility of Russian involvement. I was mainly ignoring this but even Fox News is pointing this out.  Also, Why allow planes to fly out of Tehran at this time of 2 or 3 nights ago?

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Russian missile strike eyed as one of many possible causes that led to plane crash in Iran: Ukraine
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A Ukrainian official said Thursday the country is considering a Russian missile strike as one of several possible causes for a Ukrainian passenger plane crash that happened shortly after the flight took off from Tehran’s international airport early Wednesday morning.

"A strike by a missile, possibly a Tor missile system, is among the main (theories), as information has surfaced on the internet about elements of a missile being found near the site of the crash," Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine's Security Council, told media in the country.

Ukraine is waiting for permission from Iran to look for missile debris at the crash site.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrainian-passenger-plane-never-radioed-for-help-before-crash-black-boxes-damaged-iranian-investigators-say

Seems like a reach to me and it goes without saying, you never know though.




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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2020, 12:27:47 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on January 10, 2020, 10:02:07 am
Because this plan was Ukraine Airlines, some people have been looking at a possibility of Russian involvement. I was mainly ignoring this but even Fox News is pointing this out.  Also, Why allow planes to fly out of Tehran at this time of 2 or 3 nights ago?

Seems like a reach to me and it goes without saying, you never know though.

While the big night unfolded, I remember hearing our jets were being scrambled after the bombs were launched.  Hezbollah tweeted that from near our bases, and i am sure the  Iranians got a tad nervous, and were ready to shoot anything out of the sky
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2020, 01:19:03 pm »
Ukraine says it has gotten 'important data' from US about downed plane in Iran

Ukraine said Friday that it had received "important data" from the U.S. regarding the Kyiv-bound flight that crashed after shortly after taking off from Tehran earlier this week, The Associated Press reports.

Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko tweeted that the data would be “processed by our specialists," but didn't give any further details.

Earlier in the day, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had asked "all international partners," specifically, U.S., Britain and Canada, to share any information they had on the crash.

Both U.S. and Canada have said that the plane, a Boeing 737-800, was unintentionally shot down with an Iranian surface-to-air missile, a claim that Iranian officials strongly refuted Friday.........

https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/aviation/477652-ukraine-says-it-has-gotten-important-data-from-us-about-downed
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2020, 02:11:23 pm »
Oh, my. Among the several posts about victims and family of the crash, I noticed the family name of my manager from the 1979-1978 time-frame. He was manager over the test groups for F-14 and A-10 display systems. I lost track of him decades ago and he may no longer be living, but sometimes events like this bring home how interconnected the world has become.
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2020, 05:04:47 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on January 09, 2020, 08:29:06 pm
I am going with my own version:

"Lying deceitful muslim Iran, shot down a commercial airliner, intending to blame it on America."

Then they should have said it was shot down right from the start.  They're now stuck with "mechanical difficulties", which nobody apparently is buying.
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2020, 05:11:44 pm »
Some photos show a Russian missile but with the nose-head still intact, I read somewhere where that part could remain intact because the middle explodes:



https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/1215604179798056963

This system "could" be the one that brought the plane down but we don't know for certain. Also, overnight, I guess, now they are saying 2 missiles may have hit the plane.
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2020, 05:17:01 pm »
This has been a really bad couple of weeks for Iran.

When was the last time we could credibly say that?
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2020, 06:14:19 pm »
It seems this will be a big story over the weekend, will sticky and it will be at the top of the forum.
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2020, 12:46:16 am »
This is something:

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Iran plane crash: Pilot's widow 'urged husband not to fly'
The Ukrainian state security service says it has prioritised a missile attack and terrorism as possible causes of the crash.
Deborah Hayes
Foreign affairs editor @haynesdeborah
Friday 10 January 2020 23:17, UK

The widow of the captain of a Ukrainian passenger jet that crashed in Iran said she had urged her husband not to fly the plane because of security fears in their final conversation.

Katerina Gaponenko told Sky News that she and Volodymyr, who have two young daughters, had expected the flight from Kiev to Tehran and back to be cancelled given the escalating tensions between the US and Iran.

When it was not, she said she felt very worried.

Read more at: https://news.sky.com/story/iran-plane-crash-pilots-wife-warned-husband-not-to-fly-11905590
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2020, 04:05:01 am »
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BREAKING: Iran's military admits shooting down Flight 752, citing 'human error' - AP
9:41 PM · Jan 10, 2020·TweetDeck

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1215841014159679488

Breaking News Online BNO above reports...

More:   https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-jetliner-unintentionally-shot-down-1.5423608

Ukrainian plane was 'unintentionally' shot down, Iran state TV says
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2020, 04:32:55 am »
Their position was untenable. There were too many pictures of the wreckage with shrapnel holes, the plane burning in the air, at least one missile striking something in the air and satellite imaging showing the missile launches at the time this occurred to claim otherwise - even though they tried for days - all the while knowing the truth.

I'm starting to wonder if these events set in motion by Trump might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2020, 04:44:23 am »
Iran just discovered the Internet age and the consequences of being connected to the world. I wonder if they'll attempt to isolate themselves to prevent these problems in the future and if they do - will their population go along with it?

I also wonder if the people who provided all the images of the crash site, the plane burning in the air and the missile intercept are still alive? They exposed the lies from the highest levels of the Iranian government. I doubt the government cares that it wasn't on purpose. They have to make examples of them.
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2020, 05:03:16 am »
Quote from: TomSea on January 11, 2020, 04:05:01 am
Breaking News Online BNO above reports...

More:   https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-jetliner-unintentionally-shot-down-1.5423608

Ukrainian plane was 'unintentionally' shot down, Iran state TV says

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Iran says it 'unintentionally' shot down Ukrainian jetliner, blames 'human error'
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2020, 12:22:35 pm »
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Iran had denied for several days that a missile downed the aircraft. But then the U.S. and Canada, citing intelligence, said they believe Iran shot down the aircraft.

The plane, en route to the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv, was carrying 167 passengers and nine crew members from several countries, including 82 Iranians, at least 63 Canadians and 11 Ukrainians, according to officials.



https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/iran-says-it-unintentionally-shot-down-ukrainian-jetliner-blames-human-error
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Re: Iran says it 'unintentionally' shot down Ukrainian jetliner, blames 'human error'
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2020, 12:35:43 pm »
Oops.  Our bad.

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Re: Iran says it 'unintentionally' shot down Ukrainian jetliner, blames 'human error'
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2020, 01:21:44 pm »
Iran: We did it, but it's still the USA's fault. No, wait, that's the current take of American leftists.
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2020, 01:38:08 pm »
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Carlos Osweda   @COsweda
Replying to @AP
"Iran had most likely shot down the jetliner with a surface-to-air missile — probably by accident."

No.
All surface-to-air missiles use radar that can see the four-digit code put out by civil-aviation aircraft transponders.
4:42 PM · Jan 10, 2020·
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Carlos Osweda   @COsweda

Iran has totally centralized armed forces.
Nobody is allowed to do anything on his own initiative.
The Ukrainian airliner was shot down deliberately in an effort to discredit those in the Iranian government working toward regime change.
4:43 PM · Jan 10, 2020
So, not even remotely unintentional, according to this guy.
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Re: Iran says it 'unintentionally' shot down Ukrainian jetliner, blames 'human error'
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2020, 01:57:34 pm »
The Left of course (as usual), is blaming Trump for Iran's incompetence.
Or was it Bush's fault? Either way, America is somehow to blame for this.
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2020, 02:20:09 pm »
I guess the Iranians bulldozed the crash site, to destroy the evidence.
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Re: Iran says it 'unintentionally' shot down Ukrainian jetliner, blames 'human error'
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2020, 02:30:34 pm »
What's with the scorn quotes?  Bad though the Iranian regime is, does the headline writer really suspect it was intentional, a decision to whack a particular passenger and rather than just arrest him or her while on the ground in Tehran and do the deed in a prison basement just take out 178 others with the target?  And if that's not what it was, and it was really unintentional, does the headline writer suspect that the anti-aircraft battery had a technical fault, rather than it, in fact, being human error?
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2020, 03:30:15 pm »
Ukraine Wants Compensation After Iran Admits Downing Passenger Jet

Radio Free Europe 1/11/2020

https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-admits-unintentionally-shot-down-ukraine-airliner/30371437.html

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy says his country expects a full probe, a full admission of guilt, and compensation from Iran after Tehran admitted, after days of denial, it accidentally shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane, killing all 176 aboard.

Zelenskiy said "Iran has pleaded guilty to downing the Ukrainian plane. But we insist on a full admission of guilt."

"We expect from Iran assurances of their readiness for a full and open investigation, bringing those responsible to justice, the return of the bodies of the dead, the payment of compensation, official apologies through diplomatic channels," he added.
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Iran admits shooting down Ukrainian airliner, echoes Democrats in blaming US
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2020, 03:39:31 pm »
Iran admits shooting down Ukrainian airliner, echoes Democrats in blaming US
by Philip Klein
 | January 11, 2020 08:52 AM

Iran finally admitted that it shot down a civilian Ukrainian airliner, killing 176 people on board, and is echoing Democrats in blaming the United States for causing the event by escalating tensions.

Iran's foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, in conceding what happened, wrote, "Human error at time of crisis caused by US adventurism led to disaster."

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/iran-admits-shooting-down-ukranian-airliner-echoes-democrats-in-blaming-u-s
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2020, 03:45:50 pm »
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Ukraine Wants Compensation After Iran Admits Downing Passenger Jet

Radio Free Europe 1/11/2020

https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-admits-unintentionally-shot-down-ukraine-airliner/30371437.html

Good luck finding the remains.  Hard to do after they've been buried by bulldozers.  The Iranians will just dump it all in a mass grave and be done with it.  After all, they're mostly infidels.
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Re: Ukraine airliner crashes shortly after takeoff from Tehran just 3+ hours after the launch of mis
« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2020, 04:09:22 pm »
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January 11, 2020
Ukraine prosecutor investigating 'willful killing' in Iran plane crash

KIEV (Reuters) - The Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office said on Saturday it is investigating possible willful killing and aircraft destruction in its probe of the crash of a Ukrainian airliner in Iran.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash-ukraine-prosecutor/ukraine-prosecutor-investigating-willful-killing-in-iran-plane-crash-idUSKBN1ZA0LH

Yes, they should check that.

Pretty much, a bit on all of the Canadian victims at this link:   https://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/flightps752/

One of them was actually a student in San Diego so, maybe they were still on holiday break and I believe the San Diego student might have been one of the sisters already posted here.
https://people.com/human-interest/ukraine-plane-crash-victims-iran-san-diego-college-student-mother-sister/

'It was clearly a war zone': Aviation experts question why Flight PS752 was cleared to fly
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ps752-flight-iran-missile-1.5422912

Exactly, it should not have been flying even.
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