Virginia AG to 2A Sanctuaries: New Gun Controls ‘Will Be Enforced’

[sneakypete]

Any fool that gives his guns away with this unconstitutional amendment beckoning ain't no friend of mine.

@Sighlass

Which will be proven beyond doubt when he informs on you because you still have your guns,and he is jealous.

[Wingnut]

Good read at
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/national-guardsman-we-will-not-comply-if-ordered-by-virginia-governor-to-arrest-police-confiscate-guns/

National Guardsman: "We will not comply" if ordered by Virginia governor to arrest police, confiscate guns
Posted by Sgt. A. Merica | Dec 20, 2019 | Must Reads, Investigations, Law and Legal, Featured, Patrol

Editor’s note: In the increased advancement of the infringing on our 2nd Amendment rights, a member of the Virginia National Guard is putting his/her state legislators on notice.

He’s submitted a powerful response to an article we ran recently about lawmakers in that state threatening to call in the Guard to confiscate guns and arrest the cops that refuse to violate then Constitution.

For obvious reasons, the name of this writer has been kept anonymous.

Yesterday, I read an article written in Law Enforcement Today entitled “The Law is the law”: Dems threaten to deploy military against cops who refuse to enforce gun laws.

In the first few paragraphs, I was alerted to the fact that the state of Virginia’s leadership is upset that law enforcement officials do not want to violate their oath to uphold the Constitution. So upset in fact, that they want to call up the National Guard.

I wanted to write and address Representative Donald McEachin. 

He said:

“And ultimately, I’m not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law. That’s his call, because I don’t know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that’s obviously an option he has.”
It disturbs me that this guy got elected and has no concept of the law or reality.

Mr. McEachin, have you ever heard of a little thing called the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878? Apparently, you are not.

Allow me to fill you in.

[Smokin Joe]

The Posse Comitatus Act outlaws the willful use of any part of the Army or Air Force to execute the law unless expressly authorized by the Constitution or an act of Congress.History supplies the grist for an argument that the Constitution prohibits military involvement in civilian affairs subject to only limited alterations by Congress or the President, but the courts do not appear to have ever accepted the argument unless violation of more explicit constitutional command could also be shown.The express statutory exceptions include the legislation that allows the President to use military force to suppress insurrection or to enforce federal authority, 10 U.S.C. Sections 251-255, and laws that permit the Department of Defense to provide federal, state and local police with information, equipment, and personnel, 10U.S.C. §§271-284

From https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R42659.pdf

I wonder what angle they might play under the Patriot Act, whether the VA AG and Gov would declare noncompliant government officials and LEOs and citizens to be "Domestic Terrorists" or in a state of insurrection, for the purpose of fulfilling whatever legal criteria needed to attempt a declaration of Martial Law or employ the military.

Of course, the police have been 'upgrading' their poor, little outgunned hardware with the very weapons they'd be tasked to seize, some full auto (only military and police can buy the new ones made after 1986), not to mention picking up all those surplus armored vehicles.  It just depends on who is on whose side, should some open conflict ensue.

[sneakypete]

From https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R42659.pdf

 

Of course, the police have been 'upgrading' their poor, little outgunned hardware with the very weapons they'd be tasked to seize, some full auto (only military and police can buy the new ones made after 1986), not to mention picking up all those surplus armored vehicles.  It just depends on who is on whose side, should some open conflict ensue.

The armored surplus vehicles with "run flat" tires that are heavy enough and strong enough to knock down walls will be key.

[Wingnut]

From https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R42659.pdf

I wonder what angle they might play under the Patriot Act, whether the VA AG and Gov would declare noncompliant government officials and LEOs and citizens to be "Domestic Terrorists" or in a state of insurrection, for the purpose of fulfilling whatever legal criteria needed to attempt a declaration of Martial Law or employ the military.

Of course, the police have been 'upgrading' their poor, little outgunned hardware with the very weapons they'd be tasked to seize, some full auto (only military and police can buy the new ones made after 1986), not to mention picking up all those surplus armored vehicles.  It just depends on who is on whose side, should some open conflict ensue.

From the site, This was interesting....

If the state deems that it should enact martial law because sheriff’s, whose only “crime” is standing up for the Constitution, here is what it looks like.

The state Constitution would be suspended. So would habeas corpus and civil rights.

There would be no freedom of the press, assembly or speech.

Curfews would be enforced on the people.

Troops would be in the streets for enforcement.

Checkpoints would be set up for control.

The Guard would have the ability to hold a person without charge.

Imprisonment without representation or due process.

Seeing that we are talking about gun control, there would be warrantless, house to house confiscation of firearms, ammunition, food supplies.

I have to wonder if this is really what Democratic leaders in Virginia want. Because what it equates to is a tyrannical government using its military as ‘enforcers.’

And that is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created to protect against.

If the Virginia legislators want to push this issue, it could get ugly.

[sneakypete]

From the site, This was interesting....

If the state deems that it should enact martial law because sheriff’s, whose only “crime” is standing up for the Constitution, here is what it looks like.

The state Constitution would be suspended. So would habeas corpus and civil rights.

There would be no freedom of the press, assembly or speech.

Curfews would be enforced on the people.

Troops would be in the streets for enforcement.

Checkpoints would be set up for control.

The Guard would have the ability to hold a person without charge.

Imprisonment without representation or due process.

Seeing that we are talking about gun control, there would be warrantless, house to house confiscation of firearms, ammunition, food supplies.

I have to wonder if this is really what Democratic leaders in Virginia want. Because what it equates to is a tyrannical government using its military as ‘enforcers.’

And that is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created to protect against.

If the Virginia legislators want to push this issue, it could get ugly.

@The Ghost

It will get ugly,even by Biblical "ugly standards". Just wait until the NG guns down a few locals,and their relatives start showing up from surrounding states.  I honestly don't think these big-city protected class college boys understand what they are starting,or what is likely to happen.

I am not a betting man,but I would be willing to bet that if ordered to open fire on protesters,most of the Va NG will throw down their rifles and go home. REALLY bad things will happen to any asshat commander that tries to stop them by ordering his remaining soldiers to open fire on them. The obvious result of this is the asshat governor of Va would demand Trump send in the 101st Abn or the 82nd Abn division to "restore order". I doubt Trump would do that,but I also doubt that would work out the way they envisioned if he did. Truth to tell,I am not even sure they would come,and if they did come,whose side they would be on once they got there. They might just decide to disarm the NG and the State Police. It could go either way.

Like I wrote above,this could get ugly even by Biblical standards. Can you say "Unintended Consequences"?

[Smokin Joe]

The armored surplus vehicles with "run flat" tires that are heavy enough and strong enough to knock down walls will be key.

And that is where things could get really crazy, and not in a good way.

There are countermeasures for that, I won't mention here, but enough guys have run into enough of them abroad.

Unfortunately, that could cause a lot of ordinary folks to be labelled with a host of designations that play well in the press, but damn ordinary folks who have just drawn a line at their Civil Rights that boils down to defending self, home, and Rights against an aggressor who is acting out of bounds of the Constitution. We know how the MSM would spin such a situation, when they tend to rail against home owners or business people defending their selves in the most clear cut cases.

[sneakypete]

And that is where things could get really crazy, and not in a good way.

There are countermeasures for that, I won't mention here, but enough guys have run into enough of them abroad.

Unfortunately, that could cause a lot of ordinary folks to be labelled with a host of designations that play well in the press, but damn ordinary folks who have just drawn a line at their Civil Rights that boils down to defending self, home, and Rights against an aggressor who is acting out of bounds of the Constitution. We know how the MSM would spin such a situation, when they tend to rail against home owners or business people defending their selves in the most clear cut cases.

@Smokin Joe

EVERYBODY,regardless of who you are,your gender,your race,or your age,has a spot picked out in the back of their mind that states "THIS far,and NO further!" It may be wildly different spots for many people,but MINE is the Second Amendment. Push me too hard on that one,and find out about it.

I know a lot of people talk a lot of trash,but even allowing for that,I suspect I am just a grain of sand on THAT particular dune line.

"THIS far" has already been reached for me. I speak for no one else.

[240B]

If something real does break out in VA, people from all over the country will redeploy there to defend 2A.
The VA governor may think he only has to deal with Virginia. This is incorrect. He will be at war with the entire country.
VA will simply become a 'front line' in a National war.

I don't think Americans of any kind will ever lay down their lives to enforce this.
All the governor needs to do is to bring in U.N. Troops to enforce his edicts, as Obama said he would do.
And that, is when the real war and the real killing begin. Americans everywhere would see that as a real foreign invasion.
And it is. Nobody but a stupid Liberal like the governor would think those Troops are ever going to leave voluntarily.
Once they have established a shooting beachhead in America, they will never leave by some 'order' from some politician.

[DCPatriot]

If something real does break out in VA, people from all over the country will redeploy there to defend 2A.
The VA governor may think he only has to deal with Virginia. This is incorrect. He will be at war with the entire country.
VA will simply become a 'front line' in a National war.

I don't think Americans of any kind will ever lay down their lives to enforce this.
All the governor needs to do is to bring in U.N. Troops to enforce his edicts, as Obama said he would do.
And that, is when the real war and the real killing begin. Americans everywhere would see that as a real foreign invasion.
And it is. Nobody but a stupid Liberal like the governor would think those Troops are ever going to leave voluntarily.
Once they have established a shooting beachhead in America, they will never leave by some 'order' from some politician.

If I were writing a script for Virginia, it would begin on Page 1 with a scene similar to the Baptism in The Godfather.

Except, it would be the Governor, the Lt. Governor and the Virginia Senate and assorted local newspaper editors.

...you wouldn't be able to put it down.   

[Cyber Liberty]

 

[mountaineer]

Thursday, December 26, 2019
How Virginia Democrats would destroy the USA
Don Surber

If the 50 states are the laboratory of democracy, then Democrats are rolling out a future for America of infanticide, gun confiscation, and the elimination of the middle class. Democrats in several states already legalize the first.

Virginians foolishly voted in a Democrat legislature in November. The first moves by Democrats when they take over next month will be to confiscate guns and ending single-family homes in suburbia.

The gun confiscation will begin with AR-15s. ...

Gun confiscation and forcing the urbanization of suburbia are part of the Stalinist future of Democrats envision for the 21st century. ...   Entire article

[sneakypete]

Thursday, December 26, 2019
How Virginia Democrats would destroy the USA
Don Surber

 

Virginians foolishly voted in a Democrat legislature in November.

 

@mountaineer

To be fair to actual  Virginians, those people are carpetbaggers from the north or the left coast. The Gooberner IS from Va,but he is of the privileged class and has always been of the privileged class. If you were to back him into a corner with no one listening,he would probably admit he has always been ashamed of being from Virginia,and wish that he had been born in Boston or NYC.

The gun confiscation will begin with AR-15s. ...

AND  handguns,especially those "deadly semi-automatics,that squirt out thousands of rounds with one pull of the trigger". Ok,ok. That is an exaggeration,but not much of one. Wait and see if you don't believe me. The gun grabbers won't be trying to convince people like you and me,they will be trying to convince all those yankee goobermint workers that moved to Va who have never had or shot a gun,and don't really know anyone who has.

Gun confiscation and forcing the urbanization of suburbia are part of the Stalinist future of Democrats envision for the 21st century. ...

 

Its been that  way since the 1920's.
 

[verga]

We have the right, but the Clinton/Soros machine owns Virginia now.  Lived here since 1960 and the conversion to a socialist state is nearly complete.

@EdinVA about 31 % of the population voted in the last election. I don't see it repeating in the next. The Dims will be out on their collective asses. At the Staunton meting all but one of the council is Dim. Over 80% (including myself) were in favor of 2A Sanctuary status.

[EdinVA]

@EdinVA about 31 % of the population voted in the last election. I don't see it repeating in the next. The Dims will be out on their collective asses. At the Staunton meting all but one of the council is Dim. Over 80% (including myself) were in favor of 2A Sanctuary status.

@verga
The Virginia constitution limits governors to a single 4 year term so if we can tangle this up in the courts for another year and a half, maybe we can turn this into a rally cry...

[Hoodat]

At the Staunton meting all but one of the council is Dim. Over 80% (including myself) were in favor of 2A Sanctuary status.

@verga - Do you live in Staunton?

[verga]

@verga - Do you live in Staunton?

Hey I am famous, Taht is me on the right , 3rd row back on the end.