Author Topic: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislature (Read 5208 times)

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #25 on:** December 04, 2019, 02:55:31 am »

Quote from: Elderberry on December 04, 2019, 02:44:06 am

Yes, the propellant in a firearm deflagrates and does not detonate. Just remember that the ignition of the gunpowder is by the explosion of the high explosive material in the primer.
The primer ignites the powder, as a result of contact and compression between the primer cup and anvil.
How uniformly that ignition occurs determines whether the powder burns evenly or there is a spike in pressure above what would normally b obtained, which is why not having too little powder in a large case is important. Colliding flame fronts lead to pressure spikes, at least according to some sources, and that damages firearms.
Smokeless powder does not require any confinement to detonate. It only requires a sufficient primary impulse.

You can say the same about almost anything that burns. Gasoline, wood smoke ("backdraft", to firemen), even well dispersed flour in the air. All have eliminated buildings.

Axeslinger · « **Reply #26 on:** December 04, 2019, 02:58:02 am »

Well you two have successfully managed to derail this thread again

Hoodat · « **Reply #27 on:** December 04, 2019, 03:08:22 am »

Contestant: I'll take "Things Hitler did after he became Chancellor" for $200, Alex.

Alex Trebek: Virginia enacted legislation to do this after Democrats took control.

Contestant: What is ban guns.

Alex Trebek: Correct.

Hoodat · « **Reply #28 on:** December 04, 2019, 03:41:13 am »

What to expect at tomorrow's Augusta County Second Amendment sanctuary meeting

Claire Mitzel, Staunton News Leader 03 Dec 2019

STUARTS DRAFT â€” Hundreds are expected to pack the Stuarts Draft High School auditorium Wednesday evening for a special Board of Supervisors meeting to discuss a potential Second Amendment sanctuary county resolution.

Ahead of the meeting, The News Leader has compiled information about what to expect. We will also be live tweeting and updating a story throughout the evening.
When and where is the meeting?

The Board of Supervisors' special meeting will be held at 6 p.m. Wednesday at the Stuarts Draft High School auditorium. Doors open at 5:30 p.m.

Can I speak?

Anyone wishing to speak can sign up ahead of time using an online form. Speakers can also sign up at the meeting before it starts. People unable to attend but who wish to share comments with the board can submit them using the same form above.

Speakers are limited to three minutes, according to a county news release. The county also encourages people to be concise.

Can I bring a gun inside?

Augusta County Public Schools Deputy Superintendent Doug Shifflett directed a reporter to the School Board Policy Manual regarding weapons in schools, which references the Code of Virginia.

"Carrying, bringing, using or possessing any firearm, dangerous device or weapon in any school building, on school grounds, in any school vehicle or at any school sponsored activity is prohibited," the policy states. "This prohibition applies to private vehicles parked on school property with or without permission." . . .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-to-expect-at-tomorrows-augusta-county-second-amendment-sanctuary-meeting/ar-BBXItw8

mountaineer · « **Reply #29 on:** December 04, 2019, 07:12:30 pm »

'We Need To Send a Message': Virginia Sheriffs Sound Off As Counties Become Second Amendment Sanctuaries
Julio Rosas
Posted: Dec 04, 2019 1:25 PM

As Democratic Virginia state legislators are considering a host of new gun control bills as they will have majorities in the statehouse, some sheriffs are voicing their support for the counties that are declaring themselves as Second Amendment sanctuaries.

"I am in favor of the Second Amendment Sanctuary. I believe we need to send a message to Richmond that our citizens will take a stance. My deputies and I take an oath to uphold the Constitution and thatâ€™s what we will do," Rappahannock County Sheriff Connie Compton told Townhall.

It should come as no surprise that the more rural counties and cities in the commonwealth are having an easier time passing Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions. Having law enforcement backing to those resolutions is critical for them to any kind of effect.

Over 30 counties have declared themselves as Second Amendment sanctuaries so far, with many others planing on holding meetings to discuss such resolutions. ... More at Townhall

Hoodat · « **Reply #30 on:** December 04, 2019, 07:30:59 pm »

Roanoke County is on board. That is huge. Madison County has been joined by neighbors Page, Rappahannock, Orange, and Culpepper. Augusta County has a hearing tonight. Rockingham County next Wednesday. City of Norton seems to be the first city to adopt. Cities of Bristol, Martinsville, Covington, Colonial Heights, Waynesboro, and Winchester are moving forward.

sneakypete · « **Reply #31 on:** December 04, 2019, 07:39:01 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 07:30:59 pm

Roanoke County is on board. That is huge. Madison County has been joined by neighbors Page, Rappahannock, Orange, and Culpepper. Augusta County has a hearing tonight. Rockingham County next Wednesday. City of Norton seems to be the first city to adopt. Cities of Bristol, Martinsville, Covington, Colonial Heights, Waynesboro, and Winchester are moving forward.

@Hoodat

Not all of us knows Virginia politics. Does that mean the confiscation law will pass?

Hoodat · « **Reply #32 on:** December 04, 2019, 07:46:08 pm »

The confiscation law will most likely pass because the Democrats hold a majority in both houses, and Democrats do whatever their leadership tells them to do. It won't be the first time that Democrats passed an unconstitutional law in the Commonwealth of Virginia. (See: Jim Crow)

sneakypete · « **Reply #33 on:** December 04, 2019, 07:48:51 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 07:46:08 pm

The confiscation law will most likely pass because the Democrats hold a majority in both houses, and Democrats do whatever their leadership tells them to do. It won't be the first time that Democrats passed an unconstitutional law in the Commonwealth of Virginia. (See: Jim Crow)

@Hoodat

Thanks.

Hoodat · « **Reply #34 on:** December 05, 2019, 01:28:41 am »

Hearing set to begin as Augusta County considers becoming a '2nd Amendment sanctuary'

WHSV | Chelsea Church | Dec 04, 2019

AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) â€” A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest 'Second Amendment sanctuary' in Virginia, Augusta County is holding a hearing on a proposal to do the same.

The meeting began at 6 p.m. at Stuarts Draft High School to allow for what the county knew would be a packed crowd.

As of 5:50 p.m., a line of people was wrapped around the school building as people waited to get inside, with dozens scheduled to speak.

By 6:50 p.m., after a number of people had spoken, with boos from the crowd following the two people who spoke against the proposal, the Augusta County sheriff confirmed that at least 1,500 people showed up for the hearing.

Similar meetings of other Virginia county boards have broken attendance records, bringing hundreds of people out to their Board of Supervisors meetings.

Page County joined at least 40 other counties and cities across Virginia that have now adopted resolutions declaring themselves 'Second Amendment sanctuaries.'

The movement, which is a conservative spin on 'sanctuary cities,' which vowed not to work with ICE to deport undocumented immigrants, began shortly after the election earlier this month in which Democrats won full control of the General Assembly for the first time in decades.

Many people in areas that voted along conservative lines believe that their constitutional rights may be threatened under a Democratic-controlled legislature. . . .

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html

Area-wise, Augusta is the largest county in Virginia. Except for Staunton, it is solid Conservative territory.

Hoodat · « **Reply #35 on:** December 05, 2019, 02:40:20 am »

Board declares Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary

Chelsea Church | Posted: Wed 5:47 PM, Dec 04, 2019 | Updated: Wed 9:03 PM, Dec 04, 2019

AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) â€” A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest Second Amendment sanctuary in Virginia, Augusta County voted on Wednesday night to do the same.

In front of a large crowd, the supervisors voted to declare Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary.

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html

sneakypete · « **Reply #36 on:** December 05, 2019, 04:01:35 am »

Quote from: Hoodat on December 05, 2019, 02:40:20 am

Board declares Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary

Chelsea Church | Posted: Wed 5:47 PM, Dec 04, 2019 | Updated: Wed 9:03 PM, Dec 04, 2019

AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) â€” A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest Second Amendment sanctuary in Virginia, Augusta County voted on Wednesday night to do the same.

In front of a large crowd, the supervisors voted to declare Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary.

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html

@Hoodat

Good to hear! I hope they get away with it.

mountaineer · « **Reply #37 on:** December 05, 2019, 01:38:25 pm »

Overflow Crowd Turns Out in Blue County to Support Second Amendment
Stephen Gutowski
December 5, 2019 5:00 AM

An overflow crowd of gun-rights supporters turned out on Tuesday evening to the Democratic-controlled Fairfax County Board of Supervisors meeting to push the locality to declare it would not help enforce unconstitutional gun laws.

The crowd exceeded the auditorium's 350-person seating capacity, and a few dozen people wearing "Guns Save Lives" stickers were left lining the walls. The vast majority came to support residents who requested that the northern Virginia county become a Second Amendment sanctuary, meaning it will refuse to enforce gun laws they consider unconstitutional. After sitting quietly through two hours of discussion about baseball-field lighting, the crowd erupted at the end of each pro-gun speech during the public-comment period. ... More at Free Beacon

sneakypete · « **Reply #38 on:** December 05, 2019, 04:19:20 pm »

Quote from: mountaineer on December 05, 2019, 01:38:25 pm

Overflow Crowd Turns Out in Blue County to Support Second Amendment
Stephen Gutowski
December 5, 2019 5:00 AM

An overflow crowd of gun-rights supporters turned out on Tuesday evening to the Democratic-controlled Fairfax County Board of Supervisors meeting to push the locality to declare it would not help enforce unconstitutional gun laws.

@mountaineer

It doesn't matter if there were a million of them. From what I have heard of Fairfax County it might as well be NYC,and the board is not obligated by law to follow the wishes of the voters.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #39 on:** December 05, 2019, 09:21:49 pm »

Quote from: sneakypete on December 05, 2019, 04:19:20 pm

@mountaineer

It doesn't matter if there were a million of them. From what I have heard of Fairfax County it might as well be NYC,and the board is not obligated by law to follow the wishes of the voters.

Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.

Axeslinger · « **Reply #40 on:** December 05, 2019, 09:33:57 pm »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 05, 2019, 09:21:49 pm

Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.

@Smokin Joe
As Iâ€™ve said here before:

Eventually, the sleeping giant is going to awaken and once that happens, folks are not gonna want to be standing down range.

Iâ€™ve also thought for a long time that a little tarring feathering would go a long ways towards recalibrating these pukes who think they are our betters.
(And no, Mr. Govt Troll reading this comment..that was not a threat...just an observation.)

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #41 on:** December 05, 2019, 09:55:08 pm »

Quote from: Axeslinger on December 05, 2019, 09:33:57 pm

@Smokin Joe
As Iâ€™ve said here before:

Eventually, the sleeping giant is going to awaken and once that happens, folks are not gonna want to be standing down range.

Iâ€™ve also thought for a long time that a little tarring feathering would go a long ways towards recalibrating these pukes who think they are our betters.
(And no, Mr. Govt Troll reading this comment..that was not a threat...just an observation.)

It's a pretty sad day when we can't speak our minds without disclaimers.
Not to go all Freudian, but why is it that the nastiest functionaries all seem to be those who had issues in their youth (and never shook that).

Hoodat · « **Reply #42 on:** December 05, 2019, 10:11:32 pm »

Since yesterday, Scott County, Augusta County, and Virginia Beach have been added.

sneakypete · « **Reply #43 on:** December 06, 2019, 12:04:35 am »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 05, 2019, 09:21:49 pm

Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.

@Smokin Joe

True,but it ain't our ancestors that are living in,and controlling Virginia. It is Communist apparatchiks from NY,NJ,Mass,and Delaware.

Hoodat · « **Reply #44 on:** December 07, 2019, 03:05:57 am »

Virginia city rejects 'Second Amendment Sanctuary' status

By - Associated Press - Wednesday, December 4, 2019

ROANOKE, Va. â€” Officials of a Virginia city have rebuffed pleas by gun advocates asking it to declare the city a so-called â€œSecond Amendment Sanctuary.â€

Roanoke Mayor Sherman Lea on Monday announced at a packed city council meeting that he sees no benefit in validating what the U.S. Constitution already guarantees. The declaration to a room mostly filled with people wearing stickers claiming â€œguns save livesâ€ was met with shouted comments, most audible was â€œWe will not comply.â€

Gun advocates across Virginia have pushed localities to declare themselves gun rights sanctuaries after Novemberâ€™s elections put Democrats in control of the Statehouse, news outlets reported. More than two dozen counties have passed such resolutions, including Roanoke County.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/4/roanoke-virginia-rejects-second-amendment-sanctuar/

Roanoke Mayor Sherman Lea must feel secure in his re-election chances. Can't wait to hear his response when the Commonwealth asks for his cooperation in confiscating firearms from his own city residents.

Hoodat · « **Reply #45 on:** December 07, 2019, 03:24:51 am »

Rockbridge County council to vote on Dec 9.

Elderberry · « **Reply #46 on:** December 07, 2019, 02:45:18 pm »

Background Checks for Family Members?! Bloomberg-Bought Virginia Legislature Seeks to Ban Private Firearms Transfers

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20191206/background-checks-for-family-members-bloomberg-bought-virginia-legislature-seeks-to-ban-private-firearms-transfers

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Michael Bloombergâ€™s bought-and-paid-for new Virginia majorities have wasted no time introducing an extremist bill that would make the Commonwealth one of the most hostile states for law-abiding gun owners.

House Bill 2, introduced by Delegate Kenneth R. Plum (D-36), would criminalize almost all private transfers of firearms. Not merely restricted to doing so for sales, Virginians would be required to seek government permission to gift, trade, and even temporarily lend firearms to close friends and extended family. The legislation states that:

â€œ[n]o person shall sell, rent, trade, or transfer a firearmâ€ without first subjecting the transferee to a state police background check to be conducted at a licensed firearms dealer.

Under this extreme legislation, even lending a brother your rifle for a deer hunt or letting your daughter borrow a handgun for self-defense could land otherwise law-abiding Virginians with a felony conviction and up to 5 years in jail. Additionally, the recipient could face up to a full year of incarceration.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #47 on:** December 07, 2019, 02:48:46 pm »

Dozens of Virginia counties declare themselves 'Second Amendment sanctuaries' after Democrats win state legislature

Dozens of counties in Virginia have declared themselves "Second Amendment sanctuariesâ€ in recent weeks after Democrats won control of the state legislature last month.

CNN reports that Surrey and Craig counties were among the latest to pass resolutions this week in support of Second Amendment rights, joining more than 40 other counties across the state.

The resolutions are not legally binding, CNN noted, and instead serve as declarations of support for citizens to exercise their right to carry weapons.

more
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/473503-dozens-of-virginia-counties-declare-themselves-second-amendment

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #48 on:** December 09, 2019, 12:04:42 pm »

I understnd the need to declare a 'sanctuary' to defy law, BOT THE LAW OF THE LAND IS THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

If the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia can be construed so narrowly as to diminish that fundamental, enumerated Civil Right to the degree that it can only be so narrowly practiced that for all practical purposes it would not exist, then the Right to free speech could be confined to the use of contractions and gerunds, with nouns and verbs forbidden.

sneakypete · « **Reply #49 on:** December 09, 2019, 05:03:08 pm »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 09, 2019, 12:04:42 pm

If the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia can be construed so narrowly as to diminish that fundamental, enumerated Civil Right to the degree that it can only be so narrowly practiced that for all practical purposes it would not exist, then the Right to free speech could be confined to the use of contractions and gerunds, with nouns and verbs forbidden.

@ Smokin Joe

Yeah,how bout that? Think many people will realize that and wake up in time to vote the Fascist bastards out before they seize total control?