4 dead, 'unknown suspects' at large after 10 people shot at California football watch party

[Gefn]

Fresno Police are looking for "unknown suspects" who opened fire and killed four people at a Sunday Night Football party in Fresno, California. USA TODAY

Fresno Police are looking for "unknown suspects" who opened fire and killed four people at a Sunday Night Football party in Fresno, California. USA TODAY

The suspects of a shooting in a central California city remain at large.

Four people were killed and six people were injured after "unknown suspects" snuck into a "friend and family gathering" on Sunday in Fresno, California, police said. Their identities remain unknown.

Three victims were found dead at the scene, while the fourth died at a local hospital. Five people are currently in critical condition but are expected to survive, while a sixth was released with a minor bullet wound, according to KFSN-TV in Fresno.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/11/18/fresno-california-sunday-night-football-shooting-what-we-know-now/4226850002/

[TomSea]

Most of the press, I see now is saying there is a single gunman.

[Gefn]

Most of the press, I see now is saying there is a single gunman.

Weird day for shootings, there was another one today at a Walmart

[PeteS in CA]

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article145234709.html

Three dead in Fresno shooting rampage; suspected gunman linked to killing of motel guard

Three men were killed Tuesday morning in a Fresno shooting rampage that police say was carried out by a man they had identified only hours earlier as the suspect in the fatal shooting of an unarmed motel security guard last week.

The 39-year-old suspect, identified as Kori Ali Muhammad, opened fire on four men, hitting three and missing the fourth, before he was taken into custody, police Chief Jerry Dyer said. Muhammad, who is facing four counts of murder for Tuesday’s shootings and the shooting last Thursday at Motel 6 and also two counts of attempted murder, shouted “Ali Akbar” after he spotted approaching officers and dove to the ground on Fulton Street, Dyer said.

Dyer said that it’s too soon to determine if the shooting rampage was terrorism-related. However, a review of Muhammad’s social media shows he quoted the phrase “Allahu Akbar” in a tweet. The Arabic phrase translates to “God is the greatest.”

In addition, Muhammad’s Facebook posts indicated that “he does not like white people, and he has anti-government sentiments,” the chief said. The four men who were targeted Tuesday were white, Dyer said.

The Fresno Bee is the major local newspaper in the Fresno area, not some CT site with a server in Mommy's basement. So this killer seems genuinely motivated by his hatred.

[Fishrrman]

Kinda odd how when the news first broke about this, the partygoers were described as being "Asian"...

And also, regarding:
"a review of Muhammad’s social media shows he quoted the phrase “Allahu Akbar” in a tweet. The Arabic phrase translates to “God is the greatest.”"

That's not exactly what it means.

[PeteS in CA]

Kinda odd how when the news first broke about this, the partygoers were described as being "Asian"...
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What's odd about it? There are plenty of people of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese ancestry here in California. The forebears of some folks of Chinese ancestry came to California in the Gold Rush (early 1850s). And if the MSM got the victims' ancestry incorrect, what's odd about the MSM getting things wrong?

[Applewood]

Fresno Mass Shooting: Hmong Community In Mourning; Victims Included Singer Xy Lee

At least two gunmen entered an unlocked backyard gate, walked into a “very peaceful, quiet family gathering” Sunday and opened fire in a targeted attack that left four men dead and 10 others wounded, authorities said describing the mass slaying.

Officials said all the victims were members of the Fresno-area’s large Hmong community. The coroner’s office released four deceased victims names — Xy Lee, a famous local Hmong singer, 31-year-old Phia Vang, 38-year-old Kou Xiong and 40-year-old Kalaxang Thao. All the men are from Fresno.

Fresno Police Chief Andrew Hall said many of the victims may have taken part in an altercation in the days prior to the shooting. Hall said none of the victims had gang affiliations, but said his department was putting together a team knowledgeable with Asian gang activity to take part in the investigation.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/11/18/xy-lee-hmong-fresno-shooting-mass-slaying-victims-gunmen-targeted-home/

[TomSea]

Fresno Mass Shooting: Hmong Community In Mourning; Victims Included Singer Xy Lee

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/11/18/xy-lee-hmong-fresno-shooting-mass-slaying-victims-gunmen-targeted-home/

Hmong? Yes, those names are recognizable as Hmong type names. There has been a good amount of fighting within the Hmong community. I once went to a "Hmong festival" and police gang units were there in force. In fact, I think there was actually some sort of altercation, they arrested someone or something. No weapons, just other.  It's sad, overall, very kind people.   Good find too. Thanks for posting.

[Applewood]

@TomSea

The Hmong fought with the US against the Communists during the Vietnam War.   I believe a number of them came here as refugees during or after the War.  A good friend of mine had Hmong neighbors living next door.  Always seemed like quiet, good people. 

[PeteS in CA]

Lots of Vietnamese people came to Silicon Valley in the 70s and 80s.

[goatprairie]

@TomSea

The Hmong fought with the US against the Communists during the Vietnam War.   I believe a number of them came here as refugees during or after the War.  A good friend of mine had Hmong neighbors living next door.  Always seemed like quiet, good people.

There is a very large settlement of Hmongs in my area, western Wisconsin. It was one of the largest Hmong settlements in the country after they were forced out of Laos.
I don't know how many are left in this area.
There was/is a gang problem with a number of young male Hmongs, but it seems like many are finally adapting to American ways.
I worked with the son of a Hmong immigrant for the U.S.P.S. He was a great guy and a great worker.

[goatprairie]

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article145234709.html

Three dead in Fresno shooting rampage; suspected gunman linked to killing of motel guard

The Fresno Bee is the major local newspaper in the Fresno area, not some CT site with a server in Mommy's basement. So this killer seems genuinely motivated by his hatred.

That story is from more than two years ago.

[TomSea]

So, I'm a bit lost on this, they are thinking this is fighting between the Hmong?? And I know how it goes some with them. I think sometimes, they say they have carried their rivalry from the old country, Laos to the USA. It may also be a difference between low-country Hmong versus Hill-tribe Hmong.

Fresno police create Asian gangs task force in 'targeted' party shooting
By   Darryl Coote

Nov. 19 (UPI) -- Fresno, Calif., police said they have formed a special Asian gangs investigations task force as they hunt for at least two gunmen who killed four people and wounded six others at a house party.

Police Chief Andy Hall confirmed in a press conference Monday that police are searching for at least two suspects who opened fire on a family party Sunday night around 7:45.

The assailants entered the property by an unlocked gate and shot at the 16 men who were in the back yard watching football, hitting 10 of them before fleeing on foot.

Read more at:  https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/11/19/Fresno-police-create-Asian-gangs-task-force-in-targeted-party-shooting/7381574149160/

It indeed, touched my heart when I'd go into the stores in St. Paul, say a Holiday or SuperAmerica, Hmong working behind the register, hard workers, came to this country and I know many other cases. Sometimes, being small-businesses. Sometimes, those small-businesses did not succeed and so on.

If one ever sees landscapes from Laos, it is beautiful, never mind, I guess, they grew opium over there and helped smuggle it. I know very little about this except that and I don't think this would be denied, though I know little more than that.



Laos, land of 1,000,000 elephants.



That's the flag of "Royal Laos", when they had a king. Maybe other terms are more proper.  Now, they have a different flag.  Flag of well? Is it communist Laos? With the Pathet Lao? That'd be my understanding.  The flag with the elephants is the flag the Hmong would recognize for Laos but the Hmong actually have some sort of other flag for themselves.

They hang around that Phalen Lake park, sometimes playing volleyball or a game like volley ball that is instead played with the feet.  I know a Hmong state park ranger there, so yes, many adapted to the new society.  Good people but this other's existence is beyond denying that this "gang rivalry" thing exist, vendettas or whatever it is, that's what that movie "Grand Torino" is about.

[PeteS in CA]

That story is from more than two years ago.

Mea goofa! I missed the date and was fooled by the few similarities in the story. Thanks!