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Trump’s unheralded border success
« on: November 08, 2019, 01:17:54 pm »
Trump’s unheralded border success
NY Post, Nov 7, 2019

The horrific murders in northern Mexico this week by drug-cartel gunmen are a stark reminder that the United States and our southern neighbor still face significant security challenges. Yet the violence overshadows a policy success story on border security: the Trump administration’s effort to curb the flow of would-be migrants at the border, preventing our border-security infrastructure from being totally overwhelmed and cutting down on opportunities for human rights abuses of migrants and human trafficking by criminal gangs.

The reason you don’t see breathless hyperbole about “children in cages” dominating news cycles anymore is because between May and August, border officials report a sharp decrease in migrants attempting to cross the US border, with apprehensions falling by 62% and total enforcement actions dropping by 70%.

In September, there were some 40,000 arrests, the lowest month this fiscal year and down from nearly 133,000 apprehensions in May.

The reason? Determination and sustained pressure by the Trump administration — including, yes, threats of tariffs — to convince the government of Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador to do its part to stop the flow of migrants, mostly from Central America traversing Mexican territory.


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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 08:17:05 pm »
And prior to that there were unprecedented illegal border crossing while Trump did nothing for over 2years. 

He needs to do something about the Cartel business right here in America.  We sure have the authority to do that.  And Andrés Manuel López Obrador is not a friend.  He has no intention on stopping the Cartel in his country.  He isn't going to accept help. 
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 08:36:32 pm »
Awesome.  President Trump fixed illegal immigration without building a wall.

Elizabeth Warren Confirms Her Medicare for All Plan Will Cover Illegal Immigrants New
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,381949.0.html

I guess Fauxahontas didn't hear President Trump fixed illegal immigration.  How can she cover insurance for people deported to Mexico?
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2019, 02:48:37 am »
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2019, 04:01:27 am »
And prior to that there were unprecedented illegal border crossing while Trump did nothing for over 2years. 

He needs to do something about the Cartel business right here in America.  We sure have the authority to do that.  And Andrés Manuel López Obrador is not a friend.  He has no intention on stopping the Cartel in his country.  He isn't going to accept help.

No matter what he does it will never be enough?

Why not just admit that he's made progress despite opposition from all sides. I'll take performance over personality anytime.
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2019, 04:10:50 am »
Just a note here:


Conway: Trump offered to help stop 'ruthless' drug cartels, Mexico's president refused

President Trump offered the full resources of the federal government to assist Mexico with their cartel crisis, but Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador rebuffed his offer and remains unmoved, said White House counselor Kellyanne Conway on Wednesday.

Conway appeared on "Fox & Friends" to discuss the brutal murder of nine U.S. citizens, who were gunned down in Mexico on Monday after being caught in the crossfire of suspected cartel gunmen. The victims ranged in age from 8 months to 43 years old, with some being burned alive.

"The president said to the Mexican president, 'We've got to go after these cartels.' And the Mexican president didn’t seem persuaded," she said.

"[Trump] will continue to ensure the safety and well being of Americans, including, if not especially, innocent children, wherever they are. This president has made a priority -- a centerpiece -- of his administration stopping the flow of drugs over our borders," Conway added...............


https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-mexico-cartel-border-conway
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2019, 06:09:52 am »
Mexico, as well as every country south of it, as far as the tip of Argentina;
is a failed state, addicted to the mentality of tribalism and hostile to creativity
through individual achievement.
Obrador is nothing but political garbage, wanting to avoid a bullet in the back of his head.
In 1916, responding to an attack on Columbus, NM by Pancho Villa which killed Americans;
Wilson ordered John Pershing to find, capture or kill Villa.
We have precedent to respond forcefully to this assault which killed women and children!!!
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2019, 07:20:22 am »
I don't believe there is one bit of a slowdown at the border, there may be less arrests but probable the border patrol is tired of the catch and release. Why bother.
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2019, 11:14:10 pm »
Mexico, as well as every country south of it, as far as the tip of Argentina;
is a failed state, addicted to the mentality of tribalism and hostile to creativity
through individual achievement.
Obrador is nothing but political garbage, wanting to avoid a bullet in the back of his head.
In 1916, responding to an attack on Columbus, NM by Pancho Villa which killed Americans;
Wilson ordered John Pershing to find, capture or kill Villa.
We have precedent to respond forcefully to this assault which killed women and children!!!

I agree that there is a lot of corruption south of the border, but there are some countries making a lot of progress. Look at Costa Rica and Panama.

I'm pretty familiar with Panama because I own property there. They do have issues with corruption and 25% of their populous live in poverty, but because of investments in infrastructure and education they've made real progress.
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2019, 11:16:02 pm »
Just a note here:


Conway: Trump offered to help stop 'ruthless' drug cartels, Mexico's president refused

President Trump offered the full resources of the federal government to assist Mexico with their cartel crisis, but Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador rebuffed his offer and remains unmoved, said White House counselor Kellyanne Conway on Wednesday.

Conway appeared on "Fox & Friends" to discuss the brutal murder of nine U.S. citizens, who were gunned down in Mexico on Monday after being caught in the crossfire of suspected cartel gunmen. The victims ranged in age from 8 months to 43 years old, with some being burned alive.

"The president said to the Mexican president, 'We've got to go after these cartels.' And the Mexican president didn’t seem persuaded," she said.

"[Trump] will continue to ensure the safety and well being of Americans, including, if not especially, innocent children, wherever they are. This president has made a priority -- a centerpiece -- of his administration stopping the flow of drugs over our borders," Conway added...............


https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-mexico-cartel-border-conway

It takes a big man to admit he's in over his head and needs help. South of the border the "machismo" culture won't allow for it.

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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2019, 11:27:03 pm »
Saw a number a few days ago, the federal government has only 16% of the land they need to build a wall.

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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2019, 03:43:25 am »
Saw a number a few days ago, the federal government has only 16% of the land they need to build a wall.

On top of Trump signing legislation to allow border governments to opt out.  I would say its pretty worthless.
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2019, 03:46:59 am »
I don't believe there is one bit of a slowdown at the border, there may be less arrests but probable the border patrol is tired of the catch and release. Why bother.
It makes President Trump look competent.

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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2019, 05:02:19 am »
And prior to that there were unprecedented illegal border crossing while Trump did nothing for over 2years. 

In addition to fighting for every nickel to build the wall and signing agreements with Mexico to hold "asylum seekers", here's some of the "nothing" the President has been doing for two years.  I hope you note how active the courts have been in obstructing the President's path @Chosen Daughter

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Travel Ban

What’s the impact: Between 2017 and 2018, there was a 72 percent drop in people from Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen approved for permanent residence per month, according to the Migration Policy Institute. Visas that allowed temporary travel declined by an average of 51 percent.

Status: The Supreme Court allowed the third and final version of the travel ban to take effect in December 2017, and upheld it in June 2018. It remains in place.


Shifting Asylum Policies

What happened: The Trump administration has undertaken several measures to restrict the flow of asylum seekers at the U.S.-Mexico border and limit who qualifies for asylum, but two of the most consequential ones went into effect this year. The Migrant Protection Protocols, also referred to as Remain in Mexico, require those seeking entry at the southern border — including asylum seekers — to wait in Mexico until their day in court rather than wait in the U.S.

What’s the impact: As of Oct. 8, more than 51,000 people were returned to Mexico to await their court dates, according to Customs and Border Protection. Human Rights First, an advocacy group, found more than 100 cases of rape, kidnapping and other violent crimes when they interviewed asylum seekers sent back to Mexico. “Some asylum seekers returned under MPP have been kidnapped outside immigration offices in Mexico, virtually in sight of U.S. officials,” the August report said.

Status: MPP remains in place while facing legal challenges. In fact, returns accelerated from six a day in the program’s first months to 473 returns a day by August. The Supreme Court in September allowed the near-total asylum ban — which was blocked by a federal judge — to take effect while a legal battle plays out.


“Zero Tolerance” and Family Separation

What happened: In spring 2018, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced a “zero tolerance” policy, warning that everyone who crossed the southern border illegally would be referred for criminal prosecution. “If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” he said. 

Status: Amid a huge outcry, Trump ended family separation with an executive order on June 20, 2018. This August, the administration moved to allow the indefinite detention of families.


Refugee Admissions

What happened: The executive order that announced the first travel ban in January 2017 also suspended the refugee admission program for 120 days and called for a review of the screening and admission process. It also lowered the admissions ceiling, which President Barack Obama had set at 110,000 for fiscal year 2017, to 50,000. Since then, President Trump has set the cap for refugee admissions at lower and lower levels.

What’s the impact: President Trump set the cap for 2018 at 45,000; 22,491 were admitted. The cap for 2019 was set to 30,000 and was reached, according to the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center. The cap for 2020 is 18,000, “the lowest number of refugees settled by the U.S. in a single year since 1980,” according to Pew Research Center.

Capps noted that the reduction in refugee admissions has dismantled the infrastructure to resettle refugees. Some officers who dealt with refugee applications have been reassigned to asylum cases, and some agencies that handled resettlement have closed because of lack of funding.

Status: Still in place.


Public Charges

What happened: U.S. immigration laws dating back to the 1800s sought to exclude those who were “unable to take care of himself or herself without becoming a public charge.” Since 1999, a public charge had been defined as someone who was, or was likely to become, “primarily dependent on the government for subsistence” through cash assistance or long-term institutional care.

A new “public charge” rule applying to legal immigrants went into effect on Oct. 15. It expanded the types of public benefits that define someone as a public charge, including the use of food stamps, subsidized housing or certain Medicaid benefits for more than a year within a 3-year window. Using two benefits in one month would count as two months. With some exceptions, those people could be ineligible for green cards or visa extensions. The applicants’ age, health, financial status and educational background would also be considered to determine how likely they were to become a public charge.

A more recent presidential proclamation that goes into effect Nov. 3 says the U.S. will only accept immigrant visa applications — visas that people obtain before becoming permanent U.S. residents — from those who are able to obtain health care in the U.S. within 30 days of arrival, or have the resources to pay for “reasonably foreseeable medical costs.”

What’s the impact: DHS estimated that 382,000 green card applicants annually would be subject to review under the public charge rule. It estimated more than 324,000 would either drop or not enroll in public benefit programs. MPI estimated that the chilling effects of the rule could impact up to 10 million noncitizens, even those the rule doesn’t apply to.

Status: Federal judges in three separate rulings blocked the public charge rule on Oct. 11, days before it would take effect


Temporary Protected Status Ended

What happened: Temporary protected status is a form of relief that is extended to foreign nationals already in the U.S. if they can’t safely return to their home countries because of conflict, disasters or other extraordinary circumstances. Starting in September 2017, the administration ended TPS for a number of countries, some of whom had been here since the late 1990s and early 2000s.

Status: A federal judge temporarily blocked DHS from ending TPS for El Salvador, Haiti, Nicaragua and Sudan in October 2018, and DHS extended TPS for those four countries until January 2020 in order to comply. Honduras and Nepal, which had their TPS designation terminated after the first four, also had their terminations put on hold while the cases make it through court.



More:  https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/a-guide-to-some-major-trump-administration-immigration-policies/







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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2019, 06:03:03 am »
In addition to fighting for every nickel to build the wall and signing agreements with Mexico to hold "asylum seekers", here's some of the "nothing" the President has been doing for two years.  I hope you note how active the courts have been in obstructing the President's path @Chosen Daughter


You post an article from PBS telling us people are getting raped and kidnapped because Trump sent them back?  What am I supposed to do cheer?  I don't care about the wall.  The wall is a useless idea.   Have you ever seen a fence with holes effective?  Its just a fence with holes.  Swiss cheese wall.

The answer is in what he didn't do.  End sanctuary cities.  End the freebies.  E verify.  These are the things that will stop illegal immigration.  And I don't cheer when people are raped or kidnapped.   These people are coming because we rolled out the welcome wagon.  Stop the gravy and they stop coming.  The border would no longer be a Cartel business.  Rapes, murders, drug smuggling would all be significantly reduced and Cartels would take a yuuuuuge hit.



Public charge.  Those are good things that can impact.  Have we challenged the ruling.  I hope so.


https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/401492-trump-ignores-practical-solution-for-stopping-illegal-immigration

Oh and I know Jeff Sessions was doing the job that Trump promised.  He would have been the guy to help get it done and Trump fired him.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeff-sessions-we-will-not-be-stampeded-by-illegal-immigrants

oh, and back to the wall.  The wall and that fail, not win government shutdown.  I don't think PBS mentioned that, but I will.  5.6 billion to Mulvaney mentioning 1.3 and then opening with nothing.  Nothing, and Trump goes on to sign more legislation out of control spending bills with no provisions for securing the border.  Trump had said he would declare a national emergency.  Instead he lets border governments to choose to opt out of the non existent wall.

Not winning!

Its so bad that even Lou Dobbs concluded that Trump had failed on immigration

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lou-dobbs-knocks-his-hero-trump-has-failed-on-illegal-immigration-and-border-security
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2019, 11:34:20 pm »

You post an article from PBS telling us people are getting raped and kidnapped because Trump sent them back?  What am I supposed to do cheer?  I don't care about the wall.  The wall is a useless idea.   Have you ever seen a fence with holes effective?  Its just a fence with holes.  Swiss cheese wall.


The wall is not going to fix the illegal immigration problem all by itself, but it does have an immediate impact in lowering illegal entry where it has been completed. It is effective, not useless. One aspect of the wall that NT's seem to be unable to see is that it will be standing when Rats take over and it will make it more difficult for Rats to promote illegal immigration. If the Rats tear it down it will galvanize the opposition to them.

Ask yourself, "if the wall is so ineffective why are the Rats fighting so hard to stop it's construction?"
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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2019, 01:10:34 am »

The answer is in what he didn't do.  End sanctuary cities.  End the freebies.   

If you had read my post, this said "some" of the things the President has been doing.  And yes, @Chosen Daughter the President is going to stop the freebies, for legal immigrants, too .. just as soon as this works its way to the SC for a final ruling.

As for ending sanctuary cities, no President has the authority to do this. It's a federalist thing .. a state jurisdiction.  All a President can do is end funding to sanctuary cities ... and this, TOO, is working its way through the courts.

Why not take a moment and think before you spew?

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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2019, 05:56:41 am »
If you had read my post, this said "some" of the things the President has been doing.  And yes, @Chosen Daughter the President is going to stop the freebies, for legal immigrants, too .. just as soon as this works its way to the SC for a final ruling.

As for ending sanctuary cities, no President has the authority to do this. It's a federalist thing .. a state jurisdiction.  All a President can do is end funding to sanctuary cities ... and this, TOO, is working its way through the courts.

Why not take a moment and think before you spew?

https://rense.com/general96/trump-signs-amnesty-budget-bill-for-millions-of-illegals.php

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/01/28/trumps-draft-amnesty-citizenship-illegal-alien-population-six-times-size-obamas-daca/
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2019, 06:51:47 am »
https://rense.com/general96/trump-signs-amnesty-budget-bill-for-millions-of-illegals.php

OMG ... this is where you hang out and get your news on the administration's immigration reform efforts?  https://www.alipac.us/f36/william-gheen-jeff-rense-show-371727/index2.html

And the last piece of the puzzle falls into place.   :facepalm2:

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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2019, 07:01:08 am »
OMG ... this is where you hang out and get your news on the administration's immigration reform efforts?  https://www.alipac.us/f36/william-gheen-jeff-rense-show-371727/index2.html

And the last piece of the puzzle falls into place.   :facepalm2:

Never have hung out there. do you hang out at PBS?  Focus on what the article said.   Is it true of not?  I say it is.  I remember when he signed it.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/01/28/trumps-draft-amnesty-citizenship-illegal-alien-population-six-times-size-obamas-daca/

I am known to hang out here however.  Amnesty
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/betrayal-trump-grants-amnesty-to-125000-illegals-in-3-months/

Its the truth or it isn't.  The people at that website are probably more sane than Trump is.

5 insane provisions in the amnesty omnibus bill
Daniel Horowitz · February 14, 2019   

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/

But at any rate I hope that Trump is successful in stopping the gravy train.  That is what draws people.  And how PBS can report on people getting raped and kidnapped trying to get into the United States for their free everything.  If they knew they would not be allowed to stay if they are dependent on the free stuff they wouldn't come.  It would be all around better.  No more human smuggling.  No more people to smuggle Cartel drugs.


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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2019, 02:41:28 pm »
And prior to that there were unprecedented illegal border crossing while Trump did nothing for over 2years. 

No, he didn't do "nothing".  He took actions that were subsequently stopped by partisan federal judges who routinely flouted normal principles of comity.  He also was undermined by congressional Republicans refused to support his agenda even when they had a majority in Congress.

It took actions by the Supreme Court to let him finally start enforcing the laws, and we also are finally getting the Supreme Court to step in on DACA.


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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2019, 02:48:50 pm »
The answer is in what he didn't do.  End sanctuary cities.  End the freebies.  E verify.  These are the things that will stop illegal immigration. 

1) He can't end sanctuary cities.  He doesn't have the legal authority to force states to help enforce federal immigration law.  He tried anyway, and the courts shot him down.  They were actually right to do that based on the same principles of federalism that struck down some parts of ObamaCare.

2) He has done everything he can to end federal freebies, including changing federal enforcement guidelines on immigrants receiving federal aid.  But again, the President has no legal authority to stop states from giving benefits to illegals.  That whole 10th Amendment thingy....

3) He has pushed hard to make eVerify mandatory, but current law makes it only optional.  Congress has refused to make it mandatory.  So again, you're blaming Trump for not doing something for which he lacks legal authority.

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2019, 02:50:55 pm »
In addition to fighting for every nickel to build the wall and signing agreements with Mexico to hold "asylum seekers", here's some of the "nothing" the President has been doing for two years.  I hope you note how active the courts have been in obstructing the President's path @Chosen Daughter

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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2019, 02:52:00 pm »
No, he didn't do "nothing".  He took actions that were subsequently stopped by partisan federal judges who routinely flouted normal principles of comity. 
He didn't do nothing...he took action that was stopped.
Same difference.

How about President Trump did nothing effective for 2 years.

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Re: Trump’s unheralded border success
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2019, 02:55:20 pm »
OMG ... this is where you hang out and get your news on the administration's immigration reform efforts?  https://www.alipac.us/f36/william-gheen-jeff-rense-show-371727/index2.html

And the last piece of the puzzle falls into place.   :facepalm2:

Try to find it as you may there is no reason there. They are unserious and should be treated accordingly.
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