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https://www.timesofisrael.com/historian-new-evidence-shows-fdrs-bigotry-derailed-many-holocaust-rescue-plans/

Historian: New evidence shows FDR’s bigotry derailed many Holocaust rescue plans

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Not only was US president Franklin Roosevelt perfunctory about rescuing Jews from the Nazis, but he obstructed rescue opportunities that would have cost him little or nothing, according to Holocaust historian Rafael Medoff.

FDR’s role in preventing the rescue of European Jewry is detailed in a new book called, “The Jews Should Keep Quiet: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, and the Holocaust.”
Published in September, Medoff’s book includes new archival materials about the relationship between Roosevelt and Rabbi Stephen Wise, who the author sees as a sycophantic Jewish leader used by Roosevelt to “keep the Jews quiet.”
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According to Medoff, Roosevelt’s policies toward European Jews were motivated by sentiments similar to those that spurred him to intern 120,000 Japanese Americans in detention camps as potential spies.

“Roosevelt used almost identical language in recommending that the Jews and the Japanese be forcibly ‘spread thin’ around the country,” Medoff told The Times of Israel. “I was struck by the similarity between the language FDR used regarding the Japanese, and that which he used in private concerning Jews — that they can’t be trusted, they won’t ever become fully loyal Americans, they’ll try to dominate wherever they go.”

During the 1920s, when Roosevelt was already a seasoned politician and a vice presidential candidate, he expressed racist views in editorials and interviews. Regarding new immigrants — and Asians in particular — he bemoaned the creation of ethnic “colonies” in major cities.

“Our main trouble in the past has been that we have permitted the foreign elements to segregate in colonies,” Roosevelt told the Brooklyn Eagle daily newspaper in a 1920 interview. “They have crowded into one district and they have brought congestion and racial prejudices to our large cities.”
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“[Roosevelt] would not have had to incur substantial political risks had he permitted immigration up to the limits set by US law, admitted refugees temporarily to a US territory, utilized empty Liberty ships to carry refugees, or authorized dropping bombs on Auschwitz or the railways from planes that were already flying over the camp and its environs,” wrote Medoff.
10 or 20 years ago I do not think I would have posted this article, because I used to think that claims like this went too far. Probably my strongest reasons, though, were more emotional than rooted in fact:

1. I try to be aware and wary of my prejudices. I believe FDR did much harm to the US, so I try to be very careful when something - like this - plays to that view.

2. I really have been resistant to the idea that some US Presidents have been this kind of bigoted. Learning of Wilson's racism and observing Obama's thinly veiled racism and antisemitism have overcome that resistance.

3. I always thought that FDR was ill-served in this area by his State Department and the academics he drew from for his Administrations' actions. I did not think FDR himself was racist/antisemitic.

Even though this article is a book review, it cites enough hard evidence that together with other things I know of FDR, I think he was, and blame attaches to him beyond the "The Buck Stops Here", it happened on his watch, kind of general blame. Could FDR have saved 5-6M Jews from Hitler? Obviously not. OTOH, he kept 10s of thousands out of the US who could have been admitted within existing law, and he blocked who knows how many thousands from finding refuge elsewhere. And even had he not bombed concentration camps out of concern for not killing inmates, he could have had the railroads and roads serving those the camps severed, keeping God knows how many 10s or 100s of thousands out of the extermination camps.
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Good article, and good points by you, Pete.
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I did not think FDR himself was racist/antisemitic.

He was a second-hand racist/antisemitic. The man he admired most in the world was Stalin,who he refereed to  as his "Uncle Joe",and he would never admit Stalin did anything wrong or criticize him.

His wife-cousin was a dedicated communist agent that used every bit of influence she had from her position to cover for communists working in our government,and prevent them from getting fired.

He was a "True Believer" with the insulation only people with inherited wealth can have.

How much did he criticize Nazism while Hitler and Stalin were best buds? Germany invades the USSR,and suddenly,overnight,Nazi's are evil.
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How much did he criticize Nazism while Hitler and Stalin were best buds? Germany invades the USSR,and suddenly,overnight,Nazi's are evil.

Germany invaded the USSR in June, 1941.

* US "Neutrality Patrols" were already broadcasting the positions of German merchant ships in 1939;

* The Destroyers for Bases Agreement happened in September, 1940;

* In early 1941 the USN was escorting British convoys within the "Pan-American Security Zone", which in April extended to within 60 miles of Iceland; the USN also broadcast in the clear any U-boat sightings;

* Lend-Lease was signed into law in March, 1941.

I think all that (and much more, I'm sure) went WELL beyond "criticizing" Hitler.
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Germany invaded the USSR in June, 1941.

* US "Neutrality Patrols" were already broadcasting the positions of German merchant ships in 1939;

* The Destroyers for Bases Agreement happened in September, 1940;

* In early 1941 the USN was escorting British convoys within the "Pan-American Security Zone", which in April extended to within 60 miles of Iceland; the USN also broadcast in the clear any U-boat sightings;

* Lend-Lease was signed into law in March, 1941.

I think all that (and much more, I'm sure) went WELL beyond "criticizing" Hitler.

The "Arsenal of Democracy" Speech on December 29, 1940 was for all Intents and Purposes, a Declaration of War on Nazi Germany.  It was just a matter of time.

“This nation will remain a neutral nation, but I cannot ask that every American remain neutral in thought as well…Even a neutral cannot be asked to close his mind or his conscience."

- Franklin Roosevelt, radio address, September 3, 1939

So even then it was clear where FDR's heart was with regards to Nazi Germany.  There are many things to criticize FDR about, but these charges are ridiculous.
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The "wokes" will want FDR's face removed from Mt Rushmore when this gets out.  Nevermind the fact he had advance knowledge and knew the Germans were going to attack Pearl Harbor and he let it happen. 
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The "wokes" will want FDR's face removed from Mt Rushmore when this gets out.  Nevermind the fact he had advance knowledge and knew the Germans were going to attack Pearl Harbor and he let it happen.

Germans?

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Germans?

LMAO...  Don't stop him he is on a roll. 

Double Animal House hi jinx.  Germans bombed Pearl Harbor,  and  an added gem of FDR being on Rushmore. 

Nice touch.
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LMAO...  Don't stop him he is on a roll. 

Double Animal House hi jinx.  Germans bombed Pearl Harbor,  and  an added gem of FDR being on Rushmore. 

Nice touch.

Lol.  Thanks.  If I could have done the post  over I might have replaced "FDR" with just Roosevelt! 
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So even then it was clear where FDR's heart was with regards to Nazi Germany.  There are many things to criticize FDR about, but these charges are ridiculous.
In the late 1930s the GOP was strongly isolationist. GThe US had just recently lost many lives, in pursuit of Europe's seemingly enless wars.

FDR had to overcome that sentiment, before hecould do more for Churchill. There are plenty of other things to criticize FDR for.
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In the late 1930s the GOP was strongly isolationist. GThe US had just recently lost many lives, in pursuit of Europe's seemingly enless wars.

FDR had to overcome that sentiment, before hecould do more for Churchill. There are plenty of other things to criticize FDR for.

Even Herman Wouk's 'Winds of War' touched on this matter.

FDR felt like he had only one chance for victory, while he was fully engulfed with 'Lend-Lease', the U-Boats sinking everything in sight also gave him pause.   Logistically, there was nothing he could do.

And as a Baby Boomer taught by Jesuits, I never heard anything like the author here suggests.
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Germany invaded the USSR in June, 1941.

* US "Neutrality Patrols" were already broadcasting the positions of German merchant ships in 1939;

* The Destroyers for Bases Agreement happened in September, 1940;

* In early 1941 the USN was escorting British convoys within the "Pan-American Security Zone", which in April extended to within 60 miles of Iceland; the USN also broadcast in the clear any U-boat sightings;

* Lend-Lease was signed into law in March, 1941.

I think all that (and much more, I'm sure) went WELL beyond "criticizing" Hitler.

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And EVERY bit of it bailed out King Franklin and his economic plans. Manufacturing war material and food for the belligerents is what pulled us out of the depression and paid for all of King Franklins big social programs.

And it didn't end there,either. Rebuilding after the war made us an economic powerhouse right up to the point where the recession hit in the late 50's.
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The "Arsenal of Democracy" Speech on December 29, 1940 was for all Intents and Purposes, a Declaration of War on Nazi Germany.  It was just a matter of time.

“This nation will remain a neutral nation, but I cannot ask that every American remain neutral in thought as well…Even a neutral cannot be asked to close his mind or his conscience."

- Franklin Roosevelt, radio address, September 3, 1939

So even then it was clear where FDR's heart was with regards to Nazi Germany.  There are many things to criticize FDR about, but these charges are ridiculous.

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Not really. He was as bold as a field mouse about Nazism because he didn't want to upset his Uncle Joe.
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And EVERY bit of it bailed out King Franklin and his economic plans. Manufacturing war material and food for the belligerents is what pulled us out of the depression and paid for all of King Franklins big social programs.
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Non sequitor, and changing the subject. BTW, the fifty 4-pipers that went to the UK were taken out of "mothballs", so even that transfer did not lead to new construction.
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In the late 1930s the GOP was strongly isolationist. GThe US had just recently lost many lives, in pursuit of Europe's seemingly enless wars.

FDR had to overcome that sentiment, before hecould do more for Churchill. There are plenty of other things to criticize FDR for.

The Left also was isolationist, until Hitler invaded their beloved Soviet Union.  Even the Soviets, before the Nazis invaded Russia told the US to butt out of Europe.

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The Left also was isolationist, until Hitler invaded their beloved Soviet Union.  Even the Soviets, before the Nazis invaded Russia told the US to butt out of Europe.

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Don't forge that the Soviets and their Nazi "besties" agreed to invade Poland and split it up between them.
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Non sequitor, and changing the subject. BTW, the fifty 4-pipers that went to the UK were taken out of "mothballs", so even that transfer did not lead to new construction.

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Their SALE led to cash,though. So did the associated manpower saving of servicing them in mothballs,and of course the eventual payment for them from the British.
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In the late 1930s the GOP was strongly isolationist.

In the 1930s, the GOP was also strongly anti-lynching.  But FDR opposed efforts to make lynching of blacks a federal crime.
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Their SALE led to cash,though. So did the associated manpower saving of servicing them in mothballs,and of course the eventual payment for them from the British.

No cash was exchanged for the 50 DDs. Further, if the maintenance was performed by USN personnel it had no effect on the US economy; if they were maintained by civilians, the transfer may have added to unemployment. However the deal still contradicts your original claim that FDR did nothing against Hitler until after the USSR was invaded. As did extending the Neutrality Patrols and convoy escorts almost to Iceland. As did reporting the locations of German merchant ships and U-boats in the clear.

BTW, @sneakypete, I do not know who "PeterS" is, and IIRC, he registered several years ago but never posted. I had no idea when I registered that someone here had a somewhat similar forum name. I've been using "PeteS in CA" in forums for some 20 years.
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In the 1930s, the GOP was also strongly anti-lynching.  But FDR opposed efforts to make lynching of blacks a federal crime.

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Let's not forget that SOMEONE in DC had enough clout to order the US Embassy in Havana to shut down the "We free Jews for cash!" program the Nazi's were running.

Not only that,but it was shut down without warning while a whole cruise ship from the Hamburg line was anchored in Havana Harbor,and full of Jews whose US relatives had paid the Nazi's to free them.

Not to mention the fact that to this very day nobody seems to be able to find any paperwork saying where the order came from.

I am going to go out on a limb here,and say it was FDR that gave the order.
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No cash was exchanged for the 50 DDs.

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Maybe not at that time,but the US sold a LOT of items to GB and received promissory notes in return.  I can't remember the name of the British ship (destroyer?) that was sunk late in the war while on it's way to the US to deliver gold bullion,but IIRC,the sunken ship was located several years ago,

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Further, if the maintenance was performed by USN personnel it had no effect on the US economy;

The materials used were free?

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if they were maintained by civilians, the transfer may have added to unemployment.

Ok,now you are just looking desperate.

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your original claim that FDR did nothing.  However the deal still contradicts g against Hitler until after the USSR was invaded.

He was helping his pals the British,not helping Hitler. Yes,there is overflow there as it was impossible to help the British war effort without harming the Nazi cause,but he was obligated by treaty to help the British.
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As did extending the Neutrality Patrols and convoy escorts almost to Iceland. As did reporting the locations of German merchant ships and U-boats in the clear.

That was done to protect US Shipping and materials from submarine attacks. Not to mention that merchandise that is shipped costs money,and it brings in no money in return if it is sitting at the bottom of the sea.

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BTW, @sneakypete, I do not know who "PeterS" is, and IIRC, he registered several years ago but never posted. I had no idea when I registered that someone here had a somewhat similar forum name. I've been using "PeteS in CA" in forums for some 20 years.

Sorry about that. Sometimes my mouse does weird stuff when trying to copy and paste,and I don't see it until after it is posted.
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I am going to go out on a limb here,and say it was FDR that gave the order.

Would this be the same FDR that put a KKKlucker on the Supreme Court?
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Would this be the same FDR that put a KKKlucker on the Supreme Court?

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Beats me. I know nothing about that.
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