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Syrian Conflict News Updates
« on: October 20, 2019, 02:26:46 am »
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Syria's Kurdish forces will withdraw from border region

Syria's Kurds say they'll withdraw from an area of the border with Turkey after evacuation of a besieged town is complete.

A senior Syrian Kurdish official says his forces will pull back from a border area in accordance with a US-brokered deal after Turkey allows the evacuation of its remaining fighters and civilians from a besieged town there.

Redur Khalil, a senior Syrian Democratic Forces official, said on Saturday the plan for evacuation from the town of Ras al-Ayn is set for the following day, if there are no delays.

Read more at: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/syria-s-kurdish-forces-will-withdraw-from-border-region
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https://www.npr.org/2019/10/19/771546293/kurdish-general-slams-u-s-syria-policy-gen-petraeus-calls-withdrawal-a-betrayal

In an interview on Saturday, former CIA Director Gen. David Petraeus told NPR's Michel Martin that he agrees with McConnell's strongly-worded assessment. Petraeus, the former commander of Central Command in charge of U.S. forces in the Middle East, said the policy was unfair to Kurdish fighters who had been key U.S. allies in the fight against ISIS.

"The Kurds always used to say ... that [they] have no friends but the mountains, and I would reassure them," Petraeus said. "I would say, 'Americans are your friends.' ... And sadly, this is arguably a betrayal."

Petraeus told NPR the withdrawal of American forces has turned what was a stable area in Syria, where more than 10,000 Kurdish-led forces had been killed in the fight against ISIS, into "a scramble."

As NPR's Jane Arraf has reported, the short period of conflict this month has led to up to 200 civilian casualties and the displacement of about 200,000 people.

Petraeus said that he understands the desire to reduce the toll on U.S. troops overseas but that in the region being disputed along Syria's border with Turkey, "we'd essentially done that."

"We had less than 1,500 [troops]," Petraeus said. He added that those forces included special operations forces who played an important role in the U.S. campaign there — "but surely that's affordable for the world's only military superpower."

"What we were doing was not fighting on the front lines — we were enabling those who were doing that," Petraeus said. It was U.S. allies — Kurdish-backed forces — "who bore the brunt of the fighting on the front lines."

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I might respect Petreaus if he spoke out about the Brennan Coup d' Etat.

Absent that, he is just another member of and advocate for the very military-industrial-intelligence-congressional comples, that Pres. Eisenhower warned the nation about in 1961.

Good advice then.

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Good advice then.
@truth_seeker So thumbs up for the Trump Syria policy?

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Lots of people who have been supporters of Trump have found themselves perplexed at this.  It just doesn't make sense.  Franklin Graham even came out asking for people to pray that Trump would change his direction.  He has the Samaritan Purse which operates in Syria.  Pat Robertson also was critical.

General Petraeus is telling the truth. 
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https://www.npr.org/2019/10/19/771546293/kurdish-general-slams-u-s-syria-policy-gen-petraeus-calls-withdrawal-a-betrayal

In an interview on Saturday, former CIA Director Gen. David Petraeus told NPR's Michel Martin that he agrees with McConnell's strongly-worded assessment. Petraeus, the former commander of Central Command in charge of U.S. forces in the Middle East, said the policy was unfair to Kurdish fighters who had been key U.S. allies in the fight against ISIS.

"The Kurds always used to say ... that [they] have no friends but the mountains, and I would reassure them," Petraeus said. "I would say, 'Americans are your friends.' ... And sadly, this is arguably a betrayal."

Petraeus told NPR the withdrawal of American forces has turned what was a stable area in Syria, where more than 10,000 Kurdish-led forces had been killed in the fight against ISIS, into "a scramble."

As NPR's Jane Arraf has reported, the short period of conflict this month has led to up to 200 civilian casualties and the displacement of about 200,000 people.

Petraeus said that he understands the desire to reduce the toll on U.S. troops overseas but that in the region being disputed along Syria's border with Turkey, "we'd essentially done that."

"We had less than 1,500 [troops]," Petraeus said. He added that those forces included special operations forces who played an important role in the U.S. campaign there — "but surely that's affordable for the world's only military superpower."

"What we were doing was not fighting on the front lines — we were enabling those who were doing that," Petraeus said. It was U.S. allies — Kurdish-backed forces — "who bore the brunt of the fighting on the front lines."

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I'm confused.   I thought the only reason we were even there was to fight and defeat ISIS.  So, we weren't fighting ISIS, the Kurds were...?   Well if so, now that ISIS has been defeated or contained.... why the hell would we need to still be there?   Assuming that "enabling" means "training".... isn't the need for the training over now?   Or does it go on and on and on and on....ad infinitum.    :shrug:
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I might respect Petreaus if he spoke out about the Brennan Coup d' Etat.

Absent that, he is just another member of and advocate for the very military-industrial-intelligence-congressional comples, that Pres. Eisenhower warned the nation about in 1961.

Good advice then.

I thought you might find this interesting.  It's from 2015, but it still makes the point ...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/20-companies-profiting-the-most-from-war/ar-AAmTAzm#page=21

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Meanwhile, Nancy and her 'delegation' arrive in Jordan for talks on Syria. 

Pelosi, other US lawmakers arrive in Jordan for meetings on Syria

https://www.foxnews.com/world/pelosi-other-us-lawmakers-arrive-in-jordan-for-meetings-on-syria
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Jenan Moussa
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Iconic photo by @Delilsouleman.

As the last U.S. troops pull out of Syria, an American soldier wears a YPJ emblem on his uniform as a sign of solidarity with the Kurdish ally they are leaving behind. (The YPJ is the women's unit of YPG, they fiercely fought ISIS).

@akhbar




https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1185872659466412032

There, an iconic photo of the year.

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Syria critic Lindsey Graham reverses stance, says Trump's policy could succeed
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2019, 07:03:13 pm »
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Syria critic Lindsey Graham reverses stance, says Trump's policy could succeed
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, who has been one of the most vocal critics of President Donald Trump’s decision to move U.S. troops out of northeastern Syria, said on Sunday he now believed “historic solutions” were possible.

In an interview with Fox News Channel, Graham said a conversation he had with Trump over the weekend had fueled his optimism that a solution could be reached where the security of Turkey and the Kurds was guaranteed and fighters from Islamic State contained.

“I am increasingly optimistic that we can have some historic solutions in Syria that have eluded us for years if we play our cards right,” Graham said.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-usa-graham/syria-critic-lindsey-graham-reverses-stance-says-trumps-policy-could-succeed-idUSKBN1WZ0I3

There might be some things we don't know and a lot of what is reported, we can not be too sure about. A great tragedy.

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Isn't it a little hard to believe this garbage when Trump has said these things?:

Trump:  Kurds never helped us in WW11

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/under-attack-from-allies-trump-says-kurds-never-helped-us-in-wwii-20191010-p52zd6.html

Trump: Kurds are worse than ISIS

Kurdish group PKK pens open letter rebuking Trump's comparison to ISIS

Tal Axelrod 1 day ago

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/kurdish-group-pkk-pens-open-letter-rebuking-trumps-comparison-to-isis/ar-AAJ1odv

Trump:  No value in Syria because its sand and death


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ONNxsSnyA

Take another hit off the crack pipe Lindsey.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Trump Had Option to Recognize Assyrian, Greek, Armenian Genocide to Pressure Turkey
By James Laporta and Tom O'Connor
https://www.newsweek.com
Posted 2019-10-18 20:22 GMT

Donald Trump's advisers offered him several options aimed at fulfilling his desire to pull back U.S. troops in Syria without allowing Turkey to commence its incursion. One tactic on the table: threatening to recognize the deaths of millions of Armenians and members of other ethnic minorities under the Ottoman Empire as a genocide, a National Security Council official told Newsweek.

Whether or not the deaths of up to a million and a half Armenians and hundreds of thousands of Greeks and Assyrians in 1915-1923 should be termed a "genocide" is a controversial topic in international relations. Turkey, the modern-day successor to the Ottoman Empire, rejects that these events constituted a systematic campaign to slaughter ethnic minorities, but more than 30 countries and governments have gone on the record to say it does.

More at:   https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-s-advisers-gave-him-option-to-recognize-armenian-genocide-as-tactic-to-pressure-turkey/ar-AAIYxj6  and http://aina.org/news/20191018162232.htm

I'm sure this is possible, could be 'fake news'.

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I suspect the list of US Presidents who, from the time of Wilson or Harding, publicly recognized the Armenian and other genocides committed by the Turks would be rather short. The list would include GWB, but it would not include Obama (whose failed attempt to topple Assad started the Syrian mess! a mess ISIS exploited!).

I'm sure this is possible, could be 'fake news'.

Ignoring history is central to a good number of Gotcha-Trumps.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Macron takes swipe at halting NATO reaction to Turkey's Syria incursion
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2019, 04:07:42 pm »
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Macron takes swipe at halting NATO reaction to Turkey's Syria incursion
Marine Pennetier, Michel Rose

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - France’s president on Friday decried NATO’s inability to react to what he called Turkey’s “crazy” offensive into northern Syria and said it was time Europe stopped acting like a junior ally when it came to the Middle East.

Turkey’s military incursion into Syria to attack Kurdish forces, launched after U.S. President Donald Trump pulled American troops out of the way, caught NATO’s strongest European powers - France, Germany and Britain - by surprise.

It left them incensed, fearing the fighting would cause a security vacuum in which Islamist militants would escape Kurdish prisons and pose new danger, undoing a Western-led coalition’s success in dismantling Islamic State’s territorial “caliphate”.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-macron-idUSKBN1WX1QX

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American troops leaving Syrian city controlled by Kurds pelted with potatoes, tomatoes
By Greg Norman | Fox News

Angry residents in a Kurdish-controlled Syrian city pelted departing U.S. armored vehicles with potatoes and other refuse, videos on social media show.

The food barrage came amid a controversial troop drawdown that Kurdish leaders say leaves their people exposed to Turkey's military, but which American supporters of the withdrawal contend is long overdue.

Scenes broadcast by the Kurdish ANHA news agency show potatoes, tomatoes and other rubbish raining down on the hoods and windows of vehicles moving through Qamishli.

Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/world/american-military-vehicles-pelted-with-potatoes-as-troops-move-out-of-syria

   

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I suspect the list of US Presidents who, from the time of Wilson or Harding, publicly recognized the Armenian and other genocides committed by the Turks would be rather short. The list would include GWB, but it would not include Obama (whose failed attempt to topple Assad started the Syrian mess! a mess ISIS exploited!).

Ignoring history is central to a good number of Gotcha-Trumps

The list also includes Israel.

Spot on about ignoring history the gotchas @PeteS in CA

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Now I'm even happier we're leaving.
I'm happy ISIS has been heavily defeated and only with the help of the SDF.  It is despicable to abandon them and if anyone says "I beat ISIS" and turns their back on the SDF, that is a shameful thing to say.
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Re: Syrian Conflict II
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2019, 05:26:07 pm »
There certainly has been a high viewership of these matters in Syria, so here will be the 2nd thread to merge pertinent stories, perhaps reporting for the whole country can be posted here because it encompasses a lot with Russia and Iran there as well.

High viewership, it is important to update so much news. Be on one's best and utmost courteous behavior.    :police:

After a day, more or less, articles on Syria posted in the main world news forum "may" be merged into this one.

Retired General Votel co-authored an article for the Atlantic. He'd been in charge over there until his recent retirement. I'll try to post only "urgent" updates, to keep the clutter down:

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How to Protect America After the Syria Withdrawal
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/10/turkey-kurds-syria-trump/600388/

In that general area of North Eastern Syria, a town and oil resources called Suwayda,  apparently, we may leave some troops at least per US News and World Reports posted article.:

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US May Now Keep Some Troops in Syria to Guard Oil Fields
Defense Secretary Mark Esper says he is discussing an option that would keep a small residual US military force in northeast Syria to secure oil fields and continue the fight against Islamic State militants.
By Associated Press, Wire Service Content Oct. 21, 2019, at 1:37 p.m.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-10-21/us-may-now-keep-some-troops-in-syria-to-guard-oil-fields

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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2019, 06:13:43 pm »
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Trump: Troops Leaving Syria to Fight ISIS Revival in Region
 By Sandy Fitzgerald    |   Monday, 14 October 2019 04:21 PM

President Donald Trump said Monday he plans to withdraw remaining U.S. service members from northeast Syria, but he plans to keep the 1,000 troops that are coming out in the region to continue to monitor the situation.

Read more at: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/troop-withdrawal-vacuum-terrorism-bashar-al-assad/2019/10/14/id/937042/

Make no mistake about it, some troops are merely being shifted to Iraq to fight ISIS. Some say this might even be more dangerous to US troops.

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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2019, 06:31:43 pm »
What makes the conflict now so newsworthy that it deserves its own ongoing, sticky thread? 

The Syrian civil war has been raging for 8 1/2 years during which time 500,000 people have been slaughtered and half the Syrian population has been displaced. There's been military action by Syria, Russia, the Kurds, Turkey, Hezbollah, Israel, the US.   Why didn't these actions deserve such attention and focus?

I'm just curious @TomSea .  What's the agenda?




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Now I'm even happier we're leaving.
I met an Assyrian nurse, this Spring. Lovely woman, from Iran. Said her husband spoke Aramaic, language of the Bible.

Have known several Armenians. Have known Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian Christians.

I wish that I knew we could protect all of the good people in that troubled region.

But I'm not in favor of all out effort to win a war with Turkey for the Kurds (all stripes) to get a country.



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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2019, 08:58:30 pm »
What makes the conflict now so newsworthy that it deserves its own ongoing, sticky thread? 

The Syrian civil war has been raging for 8 1/2 years during which time 500,000 people have been slaughtered and half the Syrian population has been displaced. There's been military action by Syria, Russia, the Kurds, Turkey, Hezbollah, Israel, the US.   Why didn't these actions deserve such attention and focus?

I'm just curious @TomSea .  What's the agenda?



There have been many stickies under this header. About all different topics. Some people enjoy the separated topics don't...some do. I really don't see that @TomSea has an agenda. He runs a good World News. @Right_in_Virginia so what you are saying is unfair.  What's your agenda?