Here are the 10 Senate ‘RINOs’ who voted with Dems to thwart Trump’s border funding

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Here are the 10 Senate ‘RINOs’ who voted with Dems to thwart Trump’s border funding
October 18, 2019 | Vivek Saxena

Ten Senate Republicans joined their Democrat colleagues Thursday in voting unsuccessfully to try and override a veto by President Donald Trump.

Late last month, these same Republicans voted in favor of a Democrat-crafted resolution to nullify the president’s border-security-linked emergency declaration. Declared in February, the emergency allowed the president to funnel government funds toward the construction of a border wall along the vulnerable southern U.S. border.

In response to the vote, the president simply vetoed the measure. But instead of taking a hint, the GOP-led Senate chose on Thursday to try and override the president’s veto.

“The vote was 53 to 36. … That fell short, as expected, of the two-thirds needed to override a presidential veto,” The Washington Post reported. “But 10 Republicans voted with Democrats on the measure, reflecting the unease many within the GOP have with Trump’s approach.”

The ten “RINOs” were named by Fox Business Network host Lou Dobbs later that evening as follows:

    Sen. Roy Blunt
    Sen. Susan Collins
    Sen. Mike Lee
    Sen. Lisa Murkowski
    Sen. Rand Paul
    Sen. Rob Portman
    Sen. Mitt Romney
    Sen. Marco Rubio
    Sen. Pat Toomey
    Sen. Roger Wicker

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[Smokin Joe]

Gee whiz. If McCain were still sucking wind, he coulda been on that list, too.
Some of those are NOT surprises.

[sneakypete]

Gee whiz. If McCain were still sucking wind, he coulda been on that list, too.
Some of those are NOT surprises.

@Smokin Joe

Who were the surprises? Looked like a list of the usual suspects to me.

[libertybele]

No surprises on the list. Keep in mind that if impeachment proceedings reach the Senate, these are the 10 that will also vote for impeachment.  I believe that would give the Senate enough votes to remove Trump from office.

[Mesaclone]

No surprises on the list. Keep in mind that if impeachment proceedings reach the Senate, these are the 10 that will also vote for impeachment.  I believe that would give the Senate enough votes to remove Trump from office.

Nowhere near enough for impeachment...which requires 67 votes (2/3 supermajority). Second, there's no way Rand and Rubio will vote for an impeachment...and likely that applies to at least 3-4 others on that list. There is zero chance the Dems could flip enough Republicans to get 67 votes...its just not going to happen.

[libertybele]

Nowhere near enough for impeachment...which requires 67 votes (2/3 supermajority). Second, there's no way Rand and Rubio will vote for an impeachment...and likely that applies to at least 3-4 others on that list. There is zero chance the Dems could flip enough Republicans to get 67 votes...its just not going to happen.

Well, I am glad that you are confident, I just don't trust the RINO brigade; and that does include Rubio.

[sneakypete]

No surprises on the list. Keep in mind that if impeachment proceedings reach the Senate, these are the 10 that will also vote for impeachment.  I believe that would give the Senate enough votes to remove Trump from office.

@libertybele

Depends on who is willing to pay the most for those votes,the Dims,or the Republicans. Those votes are so valuable there is no way in hell any of them are just going to "give them away".

[sneakypete]

Well, I am glad that you are confident, I just don't trust the RINO brigade; and that does include Rubio.

@libertybele

What you said.

[truth_seeker]

No surprises on the list. Keep in mind that if impeachment proceedings reach the Senate, these are the 10 that will also vote for impeachment.  Removal    I believe that would give the Senate enough votes to remove Trump from office.

[Mesaclone]

@libertybele

What you said.

There's nowhere near enough RINO's to get 67 votes. Of those ten, Rand Paul in particular has become very pro-Trump...and Rubio has long term ambitions that he KNOWS would be scuttled by a yes vote on impeachment. There just aren't 12 more votes out there.

[jafo2010]

I do not trust any politician, and the way Trump is moving, you can bet there can by 67 votes to remove him in the senate.

All the above names and more would vote to remove him if he continues to push against the military industrial complex.  Having him impeached would be easier than having him JFK'd, and believe me, there are folks that have met to discuss that very thing, I am certain.  It is shaping up to be a repeat of 1963 all over again.

Trump has pissed off the intelligence folks, perhaps worse than what JFK did.  He is now trying to curtail the gravy train for the military industrial complex...that fits in the ot-oh category.  Kennedy signed an EO to withdraw from Vietnam, and to rub salt in the wound, he is running around insulting his generals.  Bad form and downright stupid.

If he does not get impeached and removed by Congress, I am convinced they will JFK him.  Just no ignoring history.  It does repeat itself.

[bilo]

No surprises on the list. Keep in mind that if impeachment proceedings reach the Senate, these are the 10 that will also vote for impeachment.  I believe that would give the Senate enough votes to remove Trump from office.

No they would need 67 votes.

Also, as liberal as some of these people are they are smart enough to understand if they vote to impeach Trump the Pubs are dead.

[sneakypete]

No they would need 67 votes.

Also, as liberal as some of these people are they are smart enough to understand if they vote to impeach Trump the Pubs are dead.

@bilo

What makes you think they haven't be promised the position of chair of prominent committees if they vote to impeach and switch parties?

[bilo]

@bilo

What makes you think they haven't be promised the position of chair of prominent committees if they vote to impeach and switch parties?

They would never get re-elected. In the Rat primaries a more socialist candidate would beat them. They wouldn't be able to return to what remained of the Pub party and whatever new conservative party was emerging would never accept them. So whatever promises the Rats threw their way would be short lived.

[Mesaclone]

@bilo

What makes you think they haven't be promised the position of chair of prominent committees if they vote to impeach and switch parties?

It does them no good to get a chairmanship if they are not going to get re-elected...which 98% of them would not if they were to switch parties. Most are from heavily Republican districts and would lose were they to run as Dems. Further, voting for impeachment as a Republican is career suicide...as 80% of Republicans will remember and never vote for such a person again. Romney, Collins and perhaps 3-4 others can get away with it due to the make up of their districts...nobody else is going to jump on to that dead end train.

McConnell will kill this baloney quickly once it hits the Senate...possibly with "dismissal" vote as the trial phase opens (if he can hang on to 50 Senators (losing perhaps Collins, Romney and Murkowski...though even one or two of them may vote for a dismissal as it something of an easy way out for them).

[sneakypete]

They would never get re-elected. In the Rat primaries a more socialist candidate would beat them. They wouldn't be able to return to what remained of the Pub party and whatever new conservative party was emerging would never accept them. So whatever promises the Rats threw their way would be short lived.

@bilo

You may be right,but I am thinking the Dims could guarantee them no Dim opponent in the next primary. Unlike the alleged Republicans,the Dims know how to crack a whip and keep their people in line

NOT saying this is what is going to happen,but it could be a possibility. Especially when you consider that if Trump wins re-election it could be the end for the Dim Party because he will have another 4 years to continue building border walls,evicting illegals,stop endless wars,etc,etc,etc.

If you are a NT'er,this will make your head explode,but the plain truth is Trump has already accomplished more in his first term than any president in the last 50 years,maybe longer.  Just imagine what a second term could bring.

[Mesaclone]

@bilo

You may be right,but I am thinking the Dims could guarantee them no Dim opponent in the next primary. Unlike the alleged Republicans,the Dims know how to crack a whip and keep their people in line

NOT saying this is what is going to happen,but it could be a possibility. Especially when you consider that if Trump wins re-election it could be the end for the Dim Party because he will have another 4 years to continue building border walls,evicting illegals,stop endless wars,etc,etc,etc.

If you are a NT'er,this will make your head explode,but the plain truth is Trump has already accomplished more in his first term than any president in the last 50 years,maybe longer.  Just imagine what a second term could bring.

It wouldn't matter who the Dems put up...a Republican casting such a vote would be shellacqued in the Primary. Game over for them. Essentially, with maybe 4-5 exceptions, voting FOR impeachment in the Senate is a career death penalty for any Republican. Damn few would be willing to take that hit...even if they hate the President as some do.

[truth_seeker]

There's nowhere near enough RINO's to get 67 votes. Of those ten, Rand Paul in particular has become very pro-Trump...and Rubio has long term ambitions that he KNOWS would be scuttled by a yes vote on impeachment. There just aren't 12 more votes out there.

I sure hope you are correct.

Ideally most Republicans in both chambers, will regain sanity by the time votes are taken, if at all, oppose impeachment/removal.

Trump beats impeachment, and the voters go on to reelect him.

[Mesaclone]

I sure hope you are correct.

Ideally most Republicans in both chambers, will regain sanity by the time votes are taken, if at all, oppose impeachment/removal.

Trump beats impeachment, and the voters go on to reelect him.

They WILL impeach...they are committed to it now no matter absurd it is in a legal/ethical sense. What they won't be able to do is convict.

[TomSea]

Paul and Lee to me, are more "libertarian" and "constitutionalist", both per that "Conservative Review" receive very high marks.

So, it's a bit of a different conservatism. I still don't like a lot of what I've heard from both, but I wouldn't call them 'RINOS", I had Cspan on the other day.... iit was almost the Mike Lee show, he was on, certainly a lot of the time.

See, Paul and Lee may vote against things and their reasoning is, "That's not a delegated power to the president",  while I agree with that, unless everyone is being "STRICTLY CONSTITUTIONAL" it works just so far.
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Again, reiterating, check their CR ratings from Levine, Paul and Lee are hardly RINOS, they are something else but they are still conservative.

[bilo]

@bilo

You may be right,but I am thinking the Dims could guarantee them no Dim opponent in the next primary. Unlike the alleged Republicans,the Dims know how to crack a whip and keep their people in line

NOT saying this is what is going to happen,but it could be a possibility. Especially when you consider that if Trump wins re-election it could be the end for the Dim Party because he will have another 4 years to continue building border walls,evicting illegals,stop endless wars,etc,etc,etc.

If you are a NT'er,this will make your head explode,but the plain truth is Trump has already accomplished more in his first term than any president in the last 50 years,maybe longer.  Just imagine what a second term could bring.

You're making a great point, but today with "the squad" we are seeing a younger and even more militant group of Rats that won't do as their told.

I think any Pub who crossed over would be dead in either party in pretty short order.

Pub party discipline has always been shaky at best. However, if they let this garbage from the Rats fester they are really going to regret it. The polls are all skewed left. I think most Americans believe in fairness and due process and the garbage from the Rats does not sit well with people. In my encounters with people who didn't vote for Trump a lot of them are rethinking that vote and some have already publicly stated they will vote for Trump because of how he's been treated.

[bilo]

They WILL impeach...they are committed to it now no matter absurd it is in a legal/ethical sense. What they won't be able to do is convict.

You're right. The charges will be pure BS and if the Pubs have any backbone they will immediately vote for a directed verdict of not guilty without even having witnesses called.

[sneakypete]

You're making a great point, but today with "the squad" we are seeing a younger and even more militant group of Rats that won't do as their told.

True,and it's a damn shame the media won't talk about this. They are the Globalist branch of the Dim Party,and they are going to end up upsetting ALL the Dim apple carts within a few election cycles as more of them are elected and gain committee seats. Somehow or another the Dims from the last generation convinced themselves they could control these people,but that just ain't happening.

I think any Pub who crossed over would be dead in either party in pretty short order.

I would hope so.

Pub party discipline has always been shaky at best. However, if they let this garbage from the Rats fester they are really going to regret it. The polls are all skewed left. I think most Americans believe in fairness and due process and the garbage from the Rats does not sit well with people. In my encounters with people who didn't vote for Trump a lot of them are rethinking that vote and some have already publicly stated they will vote for Trump because of how he's been treated.

True. I suspect many of them don't know anything about Trump and I suspect that propaganda dog is going to hunt well. It may have made many of the unaffiliated voters who would normally stay home and not vote,go to the local polling station and vote Trump. It's hard to make a billionaire that is pompous and who was born into wealth as a victim,but damned if the Dims haven't done it!

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Gee whiz. If McCain were still sucking wind, he coulda been on that list, too.
Some of those are NOT surprises.

We're probably gonna hear more from these RINOs... Zero are up for re-election in 2020, so to punish the party I recommend replacing whatever Republican is on the ballot in your area.  You can't trust 'em.  We can only trust President Trump.

[Mesaclone]

We're probably gonna hear more from these RINOs... Zero are up for re-election in 2020, so to punish the party I recommend replacing whatever Republican is on the ballot in your area.  You can't trust 'em.  We can only trust President Trump.

Sarcasm aside, the truth is that Senators we can't trust are the RINO's...and this has ever been the case. Fortunately, there are many others in the Senate who are trustworty along with quite a few in the House. The President himself can be trusted...but your implication (which is clearly what your sarcastic comment about trusting the President is about) that his supporters mindlessly adhere to his words as the only trustworthy speech out there is childish...and simply dishonest on your part.