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Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« on: October 16, 2019, 09:36:59 pm »
Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
by Madison Dibble
 | October 16, 2019 04:43 PM



Sen. Lindsey Graham’s vowed to be “President Trump’s worst nightmare” if the situation in Syria doesn’t turn around.

The South Carolina Republican claimed in an interview with CBN News that Trump needs to “up his game” in defense of Kurdish soldiers who fought alongside Americans against ISIS.

“I am looking to President Trump to change this. I will do anything I can to help him, but I will also become President Trump’s worst nightmare. I will not sit along the sidelines and watch a good ally, the Kurds, be slaughtered by Turkey and watch Iran move into Syria and become another nightmare for Israel. This is a defining moment for President Trump,” said Graham, adding, “He needs to up his game.”

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2019, 10:36:45 pm »
Looks like Jeff Zucker's talk frightened Lindsey.

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2019, 10:52:13 pm »
Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
by Madison Dibble
 | October 16, 2019 04:43 PM



Sen. Lindsey Graham’s vowed to be “President Trump’s worst nightmare” if the situation in Syria doesn’t turn around.

The South Carolina Republican claimed in an interview with CBN News that Trump needs to “up his game” in defense of Kurdish soldiers who fought alongside Americans against ISIS.

“I am looking to President Trump to change this. I will do anything I can to help him, but I will also become President Trump’s worst nightmare. I will not sit along the sidelines and watch a good ally, the Kurds, be slaughtered by Turkey and watch Iran move into Syria and become another nightmare for Israel. This is a defining moment for President Trump,” said Graham, adding, “He needs to up his game.”

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2019, 11:21:35 pm »
Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
by Madison Dibble
 | October 16, 2019 04:43 PM

Sen. Lindsey Graham’s vowed to be “President Trump’s worst nightmare” if the situation in Syria doesn’t turn around.

The South Carolina Republican claimed in an interview with CBN News that Trump needs to “up his game” in defense of Kurdish soldiers who fought alongside Americans against ISIS.

“I am looking to President Trump to change this. I will do anything I can to help him, but I will also become President Trump’s worst nightmare. I will not sit along the sidelines and watch a good ally, the Kurds, be slaughtered by Turkey and watch Iran move into Syria and become another nightmare for Israel. This is a defining moment for President Trump,” said Graham, adding, “He needs to up his game.” 

Does the good Senator understand Russia doesn't want Iran in Syria?  Does he not know that Putin gave Israel the green light to bomb Iran/Hezbollah targets in Syria at will --- with the only codicil being Israel didn't kill any Russians in the process; and that Israel has been bombing them for years?

Does the good Senator not know that the Turks cannot slaughter the Kurds in Syria because the Kurds have realigned with their country and rejoined the Syrian Army?  Is the good Senator unaware that the Syrians/Kurds and if necessary the Russians will fight together to push back the Turks?  The Kurds are better protected now than they've been in a decade.

is the good Senator an idiot?


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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2019, 12:20:43 am »
So Russia doesn't want Iran in Syria, what will Russia do about it?

So Russia had given the okay to Israel to bomb Iranian interests in Syria, that's why Russia has helped Syria build up it's missile defense systems which have reportedly stopped some projectiles.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-syria-missile-s300-defense-a8567061.html

Ah, thanks for the speculation or hearsay  and one does understand that Russia blames  Israel for one of their planes being shot down.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/18/russia-military-aircraft-syria-jet-lost-contact

And when was the last time,  the head-of-state of Israel met with Russia's head-of-state??

I believe, Russia finally warned Israel to refrain from this behavior but perhaps this is still being repeated as truth at tos.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/russia-warns-israel-not-to-attack-iran-in-syria

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2019, 12:23:55 am »
Ah, thanks for the speculation or hearsay  and one does understand that Russia blames  Israel for one of their planes being shot down.  [

Catch up, Tom.  Putin and Netanyahu met and worked this out.  (Even though Israel probably did cause the plane to crash)  They tightened and reconfirmed their efforts to coordinate Israel's attacks in Syria.



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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2019, 12:26:11 am »
Does the good Senator understand Russia doesn't want Iran in Syria?  Does he not know that Putin gave Israel the green light to bomb Iran/Hezbollah targets in Syria at will --- with the only codicil being Israel didn't kill any Russians in the process; and that Israel has been bombing them for years?

Does the good Senator not know that the Turks cannot slaughter the Kurds in Syria because the Kurds have realigned with their country and rejoined the Syrian Army?  Is the good Senator unaware that the Syrians/Kurds and if necessary the Russians will fight together to push back the Turks?  The Kurds are better protected now than they've been in a decade.

is the good Senator an idiot?


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Well.... yes.... but.... it's also probably because he is channeling his good buddy .... ie the ghost of Maverick Mc.   I wondered how long it would take for Little Lindsey to revert to his previous persona.  Not that long.
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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2019, 12:29:09 am »
And what you're missing, Tom, is critical here.  Putin has no desire to or stomach for harm to the State of Israel.  There are just too many Russians living there.

This alone makes Putin keep Iran at arms length.  He also doesn't want to piss off the rest of the Gulf States of consequence.

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2019, 12:37:25 am »
Paging Lindsey Graham, please pick up the white courtesy phone   :laugh:


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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2019, 12:47:28 am »
And what you're missing, Tom, is critical here.  Putin has no desire to or stomach for harm to the State of Israel.  There are just too many Russians living there.

This alone makes Putin keep Iran at arms length.  He also doesn't want to piss off the rest of the Gulf States of consequence.

We aren't talking about Syria or Iran attacking Israel, we are talking about Israel attacking Syria or Iran.

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 Russia prevents Israeli airstrikes in Syria

Israeli sources called Netanyahu's quick Russian visit – to try and convince Putin to ignore Israel's attacks in Syria – "a failure."
By YASSER OKBI/MAARIV
September 14, 2019 09:45

The controversy between Israel and Russia regarding airstrikes of Iranian targets in Syria and Iraq continues, despite the meeting Between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin. This was reported on Friday by Independent Arabia.

According to the report, Moscow has prevented three Israeli air strikes on three Syrian outposts recently, and even threatened that any jets attempting such a thing would be shot down, either by Russian jets or by the S-400 anti-aircraft missiles.

Read more at: https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Russia-prevents-Israeli-airstrikes-in-Syria-601618

Now, are we going to try the trifecta to say these attacks are okay with Putin again? Maybe there was some deal in the past but it doesn't appear to be in effect now.

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2019, 01:02:33 am »
Russia can say they don't like Iran being there for 3 years, what good will it do? Are they going to boot Iran out?

Iran and Syria are somewhat similar in make up, both have a big Shia influence in them, neighbords, Shia Crescent,  Weapons have moved through there for decades so if one thinks Iran is going to all of a sudden leave, they are mistaken I'd think.

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Russian warning pauses Turkish Syria operation. US pullback from E. Syria, too, opens door to Iran

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https://www.debka.com/russian-warning-halts-turkish-syria-operation-us-pullback-from-e-syria-too-opens-door-to-iran/



Yeah, Russia doesn't like Iran in Syria. Good.

And the way this has worked out, some analysts say, Russia might get some good intelligence (PKK fighters themselves) out of this, even if we destroy everything we can.
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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2019, 01:19:11 am »
We aren't talking about Syria or Iran attacking Israel, we are talking about Israel attacking Syria or Iran. ]Now, are we going to try the trifecta to say these attacks are okay with Putin again? Maybe there was some deal in the past but it doesn't appear to be in effect now. 

Putin will not allow Israel to be harmed.  I know this makes your head explode ... but Putin won't.  Drone tit for tats and twenty year old rockets lobbed into the desert do not harm Israel. 

Putin also, in spite of what you believe, does not want to do battle with the United States.  He's got enough on his plate ... and even more now.  :laugh:    If Putin holds any sway at all, the last thing he'll allow is Iran going rouge against Israel.

But, Tom, I hope I don't reach a point where I'm as frightened as you appear to be of strategic change .... of connecting dots that have always been on the page but ignored or overwritten by folks who desperately need a boogieman to keep war alive ---and the Middle East is teeming with them.  The Middle East is the genesis of endless war.

If you want a boogeyman pull up from the Middle East and travel toward China.  This is where the focus of the US military and security analysts needs to be.  Leave Putin in Syria to kick himself down the road for not learning the lessons we did in Afghanistan.  Leave Iran to crumble under the weight of our sanctions.  The ayatollahs can hold on just so long when people are starving and out of work.  Leave Israel to the IDF, our alliance and the Gulf States who share their assessment of Iran.

If it helps you relax a little ... remember, the full force and fury of the US Military is just a plane ride away. 

I'm pretty much done here, Tom.  Don't forget to take some time to enjoy the evening.  :beer:



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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2019, 01:19:19 am »
Well.... yes.... but.... it's also probably because he is channeling his good buddy .... ie the ghost of Maverick Mc.   I wondered how long it would take for Little Lindsey to revert to his previous persona.  Not that long.

This is a bit of a different situation, the House saw many Republicans vote against the Syria troop withdrawal which meant a Yes vote. Now, we will see the Senate vote.

Cotton, Cruz, Rubio, Sasse, Joni Ernst, Mitch McConnell,  it's a good chance I'd say all vote Yes, Romney, Graham, Blackburn TN, they will vote yes, so let's not think Graham is alone.  Put Rubio in the 2nd group if people want, I know he's not that popular with some and Cruz said the withdrawel was disgraceful, pretty much how Graham described it, Cotton has been to Iraq on tour of duty too.

I'd certainly not single out Graham here. The article is on him so fair game.

ISIS prisoners escaped, Russia could get some valuable info from PKK fighters, intelligence. So, I've got to think we are looking at potential setbacks already.

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2019, 01:24:39 am »
Putin will not allow Israel to be harmed.  I know this makes your head explode ...

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Personal attacks, personal insult, ad hom attack and what is this stupid "I know this makes your head explode", is that some sort of loaded statment?  Illogical arguments, arguments have nothing to do with issue.  I should stop reading there, now I saw the last part "I'm done here", okay fine.  Remember, if you ward off abrasive posters, then, that same rule should apply to  you.  Nothing but deflection, inability to address the issue directly.

Russians gain intelligence from SDF fighters
ISIS fighters escape.

These are 2 potential setbacks already for the President,

Graham 2  0 Trump.

So, you're done here, kind of a repeat of last night.
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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2019, 01:24:59 am »
Graham is up for reelection in 2020.  North Carolina is home for a lot of the military.  Bases in NC include Camp Lejeune, United States Marine Corps, Cherry Point, United States Marine Corps Air Station, Fort Bragg, United States Army, New River Air Station, Pope Air Force Base, United States Air Force, and Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, United States Air Force.  Clearly the Senator's phones have been ringing off the hook with military members who think Trump's Syria clusterf*ck needs to be corrected.  Graham's closeness with President Trump in Washington is costing him votes at home.

Graham's rapid about-face march away from Trump shows how much loyalty Trump can expect if other Presidential actions become unpopular in NC.

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2019, 01:36:22 am »
This is a bit of a different situation, the House saw many Republicans vote against the Syria troop withdrawal which meant a Yes vote. Now, we will see the Senate vote.

Cotton, Cruz, Rubio, Sasse, Joni Ernst, Mitch McConnell,  it's a good chance I'd say all vote Yes, Romney, Graham, Blackburn TN, they will vote yes, so let's not think Graham is alone.  Put Rubio in the 2nd group if people want, I know he's not that popular with some and Cruz said the withdrawel was disgraceful, pretty much how Graham described it, Cotton has been to Iraq on tour of duty too.

I'd certainly not single out Graham here. The article is on him so fair game.

ISIS prisoners escaped, Russia could get some valuable info from PKK fighters, intelligence. So, I've got to think we are looking at potential setbacks already.

Oh, don't worry.    I'm not "just" dissing Graham here.   He's just reverting to his former self, after all.   Nah.... there has been disapproval from pretty much everyone on the right so far.  Levin is not happy either. 

I just stick by my previous stance which is.... we weren't supposed to have been there this long in the first place.... and we can't just "stay" there forever, which is essentially what would be required.  Screw that.   Since it's not in America's best interests, hell no.   

Besides, it's not US withdrawal that is the problem.  It's the Turks going after the Kurds.   Let the rest of NATO and the global dissenters diss and deal with Turkey then.   Who made the USA the Kurds' permanent babysitters.  Nobody.

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2019, 01:38:14 am »
Graham is up for reelection in 2020.  North Carolina is home for a lot of the military.  Bases in NC include Camp Lejeune, United States Marine Corps, Cherry Point, United States Marine Corps Air Station, Fort Bragg, United States Army, New River Air Station, Pope Air Force Base, United States Air Force, and Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, United States Air Force.  Clearly the Senator's phones have been ringing off the hook with military members who think Trump's Syria clusterf*ck needs to be corrected.  Graham's closeness with President Trump in Washington is costing him votes at home.

Graham's rapid about-face march away from Trump shows how much loyalty Trump can expect if other Presidential actions become unpopular in NC.

Make that South Carolina, I think SC has some sort of military presence too OR a lot of veterans... but I don't really read all that extra into it.

I would believe many in the military are upset about this and in turn, a few probably support these actions. We will see.

I think very little is wrong in saying, "I'm going to be watching this closely" and what else should our elected leaders expect.

In the House, the Republicans voted more than 2 to 1 YES in favor of being opposed to the withdrawal.

From the knowledge I have, which is limited, I'm opposed to the withdrawal. I think, still, even after this blunder, a very big on, that most of Trump's decisions have been very good. So, I'll just have to see.

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2019, 01:42:36 am »
Make that South Carolina
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2019, 01:42:41 am »
Oh, don't worry.    I'm not "just" dissing Graham here.   He's just reverting to his former self, after all.   Nah.... there has been disapproval from pretty much everyone on the right so far.  Levin is not happy either. 

I just stick by my previous stance which is.... we weren't supposed to have been there this long in the first place.... and we can't just "stay" there forever, which is essentially what would be required.  Screw that.   Since it's not in America's best interests, hell no.   

Besides, it's not US withdrawal that is the problem.  It's the Turks going after the Kurds.   Let the rest of NATO and the global dissenters diss and deal with Turkey then.   Who made the USA the Kurds' permanent babysitters.  Nobody.

As said, we are still in Germany, Japan, South Korea.  In fact, we are in dozens of places for  years anyway already.

Some of this is the fight against terrorism and that will happen for years and years to come.  Decades. So, to me, waiting out until things become more tranquil, there's nothing wrong with that.

A lot of different facets and factors to this problem alright.

We will be in Iraq for a long time, we expanded our base,  so we will see.  Maybe somehow, Trump will be shown to be correct, bad things have already happened though alright.

When I first heard about this Kurd problem some time ago, it struck me that they needed to round up the "outlaws" and try to get them a fair trial.  That's how things usually are handled.

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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2019, 01:48:38 am »
As said, we are still in Germany, Japan, South Korea.  In fact, we are in dozens of places for  years anyway already.

Some of this is the fight against terrorism and that will happen for years and years to come.  Decades. So, to me, waiting out until things become more tranquil, there's nothing wrong with that.

A lot of different facets and factors to this problem alright.

We will be in Iraq for a long time, we expanded our base,  so we will see.  Maybe somehow, Trump will be shown to be correct, bad things have already happened though alright.

When I first heard about this Kurd problem some time ago, it struck me that they needed to round up the "outlaws" and try to get them a fair trial.  That's how things usually are handled.

Well, if nothing else.... Trump's move is bringing the problem of Erdogan going rogue to a head and drawing attention to it.   Again, it's Turkey that's creating the problem... not the US withdrawal.
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2019, 09:13:07 am »
@Right_in_Virginia

This is a despicable smear against someone what you did.

Not only that, nobody is talking about your deflection and inability to address issues, the simple matter that there is NO or little proof that Russia has green lighted Israel to make attacks in Syria and in fact, there is ample evidence that Russia has built up Syria's missile defense system and has possibly even guarded Syria against attacks. 

Faced with no evidence, backing their view, "splodey head", what is this suggesting violence? Or a smear since you can not address the topic at hand. It's not my fault if someone doesn't have facts to back them up so resorts to a smear.

You say you back up Trump; but when he's tried to back up pro-life issues, we knew he faltered on that.

You called Graham an idiot, yet, it is the congress's duty to watch what the president does and viice-versa, your criticisms are because someone does their job.

With the House Republicans voting in favor of the resolution against the withdrawal of troops, we may see a repeat in the Senate. Any American has as much right to comment on the president, you are not representative of the president as if he is your property.

Your smear is a despicable act.  It may work at TOS, it sounds like something some of those people dream up but you should have some backup.

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2019, 09:21:35 am »
BTW; if one has no defense but parroting "Putin won't let anything happen to Israel" which isn't even on-topic with what one said and abrasive language,

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Israel   
IDF Reservists Call for Military, Humanitarian Aid to Kurds
By Zalman AhnsafThursday, October 10, 2019

YERUSHALAYIM -

Dozens of IDF reservists have signed a petition urging the Israeli government to provide both military and humanitarian assistance to the Kurds currently under attack by Turkish forces in Syria, The Jerusalem Post reported on Thursday.

The petition was published online before Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu‏‏ issued a condemnation of the Turkish offensive and offered humanitarian aid to the “gallant” Kurdish people.

“We, as Israelis and Jews, must not stand by when we see another nation abandoned by its allies and is left defenseless,” read the statement written by Maj.(res.) Yair Fink. “We remember very well the blood of our people, what happens when the nations of the world abandon the fate of a people.”

https://hamodia.com/2019/10/10/idf-reservists-call-military-humanitarian-aid-kurds/

Israeli reservists have called for full support of the Kurds, as if this has any affect on someone who can't muster up some good argument.  Anyone playing fast and loose with the truth, I will be their worst nightmare.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2019, 12:11:19 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

This is a despicable smear against someone what you did.   You called Graham an idiot, yet, it is the congress's duty to watch what the president does and viice-versa, your criticisms are because someone does their job.   

Pull up, Tom.

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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2019, 12:42:44 pm »
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Personal attacks, personal insult, ad hom attack and what is this stupid "I know this makes your head explode", is that some sort of loaded statment? 

@TomSea   My post wasn't an attack on you of any kind, not personal, not ad hom.  And, no it wasn't a loaded statment or even a loaded statement.  It was a reference to a well-known meme used to portray reactions of people who read or hear something mind-blowing.  Here ... I'm posting it in case you've not seen it:



I hope you were able to get some rest, Tom.  I think you needed it ... you've been consumed nearly 24/7 with posting any article, tweet, photograph you think proves the United States needs to retain a global imperialist presence in the world or it will end.  Nothing about our back and forth is personal, Tom.  I simply think your opinion is wrong. 



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Re: Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2019, 12:53:14 pm »
Clearly the Senator's phones have been ringing off the hook with military members who think Trump's Syria clusterf*ck needs to be corrected.

Let's posit that,  because of the President's action,  going forward not one more American dies in Syria.   Is that a clusterf*ck?
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