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It's amazing to me that members of this forum defend what Pelosi is doing because of their TDS.
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"...members of this forum defend what Pelosi is doing because of their TDS."

The constitution (law) about impeachment is what it is - no matter if a Democrat or Republican is the House Speaker.  It is not a  matter of liking or disliking Pelosi.  You can't change law just because you don't like Pelosi.

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"...members of this forum defend what Pelosi is doing because of their TDS."

The constitution (law) about impeachment is what it is - no matter if a Democrat or Republican is the House Speaker.  It is not a  matter of liking or disliking Pelosi.  You can't change law just because you don't like Pelosi.

Just as long as we're clear on something:  Presidents named "Trump" deserve less protection from Impeachment than a shoplifter gets from criminal prosecution under the Bill of Rights.  Once that is understood it all makes sense.

It's finally clear to me now: Trump is not above the law, but he's far, far beneath it.

This country deserves every drop of misery it's going to get.  Thanks, y'all for dragging me down too.
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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Have those committees voted to start the inquiries, or are these just rogue partisanship?
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The Intelligence Committee, the House Oversight and Reform Committee, and the House Foreign Affairs Committee met together to begin the impeachment inquiry.

Sept. 12:
"Washington, DC - A key committee (Judiciary Committee) of the US House of Representatives voted on Thursday ...approving guidelines for impeachment hearings..."  The Democratic-led House Judiciary Committee voted 24-17, along party lines."

The three committees consult with each other as needed.

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@Smokin Joe

The Intelligence Committee, the House Oversight and Reform Committee, and the House Foreign Affairs Committee met together to begin the impeachment inquiry.

Sept. 12:
"Washington, DC - A key committee (Judiciary Committee) of the US House of Representatives voted on Thursday ...approving guidelines for impeachment hearings..."  The Democratic-led House Judiciary Committee voted 24-17, along party lines."

The three committees consult with each other as needed.

Is that correct @Victoria33, or should it be "democrats on the Intelligence Committee, the House Oversight and Reform Committee, and the House Foreign Affairs Committee met together to begin the impeachment inquiry"?

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@austingirl

"...members of this forum defend what Pelosi is doing because of their TDS."

The constitution (law) about impeachment is what it is - no matter if a Democrat or Republican is the House Speaker.  It is not a  matter of liking or disliking Pelosi.  You can't change law just because you don't like Pelosi.

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Have you any concern that the current fake impeachment is unprecedented and the others were conducted properly?
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Is that correct @Victoria33, or should it be "democrats on the Intelligence Committee, the House Oversight and Reform Committee, and the House Foreign Affairs Committee met together to begin the impeachment inquiry"?

Ain't democracy grand?  Majority rules! 
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@austingirl

"...members of this forum defend what Pelosi is doing because of their TDS."

The constitution (law) about impeachment is what it is - no matter if a Democrat or Republican is the House Speaker.  It is not a  matter of liking or disliking Pelosi.  You can't change law just because you don't like Pelosi.

But you sure as hell can slam Pelosi for running roughshod over precedence and due process.   The Constitution may not prescribe precise rules for impeachment, but it doesn't call for a kangaroo court.   
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Have you any concern that the current fake impeachment is unprecedented and the others were conducted properly?

That doesn't matter, Impeachment is whatever a majority deems it to be, and the process can be made up as they go along because they have a majority vote!  It's democracy in action, exactly as the Founders warned us.  We were not able to keep the "Republic," and the past decade or so will be described as the years the Republic collapsed.  This impeachment business is really only a symptom of the fact that we are no longer a nation capable of self-rule.
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But you sure as hell can slam Pelosi for running roughshod over precedence and due process.   The Constitution may not prescribe precise rules for impeachment, but it doesn't call for a kangaroo court.

The Constitution may not call for a kangaroo court, but a majority of people have decided that's OK.  The Rats just needed to peel away some Republicans, which they have done so, courtesy of people like Jonah Goldberg.

It's all over but the shouting.  I have known this as an indisputable fact the day Obastard got reelected, because I knew right then the takers can outvote the makers, and there's nothing left to prevent the inevitable looting.

That we had a President willing to stand up to them was a one-off aberration, and people who fancy themselves "conservative" provided just the right amount of pressure to tip the scales.  Not for forever, but certainly for what remains of the USA. 
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The Constitution may not call for a kangaroo court, but a majority of people have decided that's OK.  The Rats just needed to peel away some Republicans, which they have done so, courtesy of people like Jonah Goldberg.

It's all over but the shouting.  I have known this as an indisputable fact the day Obastard got reelected, because I knew right then the takers can outvote the makers, and there's nothing left to prevent the inevitable looting.

That we had a President willing to stand up to them was a one-off aberration, and people who fancy themselves "conservative" provided just the right amount of pressure to tip the scales.  Not for forever, but certainly for what remains of the USA.

Yes, rule of law and constitutional republicanism is so last century.  Who needs it?

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Yes, rule of law and constitutional republicanism is so last century.  Who needs it?

The next step will be the Supreme Soviet, long a dream of the leftists.  Oh, sure there will be an attempt to play with a European Parliamentary system, but that will fail to the first strongman who promises to set things right.

We already have the basic trappings of that system:  Everybody seems OK with the notion that a simple Majority on Congress can issue a No Confidence vote to overturn the Government.  The Founders had a few things to say about that notion, but the modern, now a-go-go brainiacs know so much better than those old, dead white guys.

To thunderous applause.
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The Intelligence Committee, the House Oversight and Reform Committee, and the House Foreign Affairs Committee met together to begin the impeachment inquiry.

Sept. 12:
"Washington, DC - A key committee (Judiciary Committee) of the US House of Representatives voted on Thursday ...approving guidelines for impeachment hearings..."  The Democratic-led House Judiciary Committee voted 24-17, along party lines."

The three committees consult with each other as needed.
Still backing the Rats witch hunt I see

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Still backing the Rats witch hunt I see

Majority rules, man!  Isn't it great?  Hey, enjoying that mutton we voted on for dinner?
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Is that correct @Victoria33, or should it be "democrats on the Intelligence Committee, the House Oversight and Reform Committee, and the House Foreign Affairs Committee met together to begin the impeachment inquiry"?
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When a committee meets, all members are notified to meet, however, none are arrested and taken to the committee meeting against their will.

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This country deserves every drop of misery it's going to get. 


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Thanks, y'all for dragging me down too.

This has nothing to do with your feelings.  The President has few rights under the Constitution, and many obligations.  Donald J. Trump does not have a right to be President.  Under the Constitution the House has the right to impeach him.  Once the voters gave the House to the rats I suspect we both knew the rats would and could impeach President Trump for whatever reason they could fit into "high crimes and misdemeanors," and they would not be fair about it.

I think the rats and the media are very unfair, but I also think they always have been.  I expect Trump will be impeached much later than the holidays but the Senate will find him not guilty.  I accepted that last Nov.  This is probably where we are headed, and getting angry over it is probably not going to stop it.

I admire your passion against injustice, and I can empathize because I can absolutely understand how you believe President Trump has been remarkably successful despite never getting a fair shake by his lessors...the MSM and the rats.

I don't agree with you.  I think President Trump deserves the ridicule and disapproval, but I can empathize because I saw the rats and MSM never give a fair shake to Dubya, McCain, and Romney.  Three men I think are better than our last two President and it still angers me that President Trump joined the rats and media in their condemnation.

But I actually feel a little guilty for having my own opinion, because I like you, and I can see you are distressed.  Trump is going to be impeached, not convicted, and likely re-elected.  That would not be the end of the world.

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@Sanguine

When a committee meets, all members are notified to meet, however, none are arrested and taken to the committee meeting against their will.

Now, I understand where the problem is.  You are operating without full information.  The dems have cut the republicans out of the process, down to and including excluding them from notification of committee meetings.

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Still backing the Rats witch hunt I see
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Stating the facts, even though you don't like the facts, they are the facts.  I don't consider either party as the facts are the facts.

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@Sanguine

When a committee meets, all members are notified to meet, however, none are arrested and taken to the committee meeting against their will.

But they are being blocked from participating.  The Dem heads of the committees "investigating" Trump are not allowing the Republicans on the committees to call their own wittinesses...issue their own subpoenas and are being blocked from seeing the documents the Dems have that allegedly implicate Trump.

Now you know I'm far from being a Trump fanboy...but this is hardly a fair and impartial "investigation" Pelosi and her henchmen are conducting here.  It smacks of how she ran the House during the crafting of Obamacare when she shut the Republicans out of the entire process then as well.
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Stating the facts, even though you don't like the facts, they are the facts.  I don't consider either party as the facts are the facts.

The fact you want the bad orange man impeached shows your true colors.  Wear it proud. Say it loud. 

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@Sanguine

When a committee meets, all members are notified to meet, however, none are arrested and taken to the committee meeting against their will.

Are you sure about the notification part?  Why do you suppose "hearings" are taking place during a recess?  Oh, I forgot:  The rules are whatever the Majority says they are.
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It smacks of how she ran the House during the crafting of Obamacare when she shut the Republicans out of the entire process then as well.

Having gotten away with it in the past, perhaps she feels confident doing what she found successful in the past.


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But they are being blocked from participating.  The Dem heads of the committees "investigating" Trump are not allowing the Republicans on the committees to call their own wittinesses...issue their own subpoenas and are being blocked from seeing the documents the Dems have that allegedly implicate Trump.

Now you know I'm far from being a Trump fanboy...but this is hardly a fair and impartial "investigation" Pelosi and her henchmen are conducting here.  It smacks of how she ran the House during the crafting of Obamacare when she shut the Republicans out of the entire process then as well.

That is exactly what's going on, and people who have some sort of personal problem with Trump are loudly applauding it.  Masks are falling off all over the place, the country be damned.  Never mind about what the effin' Turks are doing, we're being overrun by the socialists right here at home.
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Having gotten away with it in the past, perhaps she feels confident doing what she found successful in the past.

Sadly...you're right.
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Having gotten away with it in the past, perhaps she feels confident doing what she found successful in the past.

When a pitcher finds a pitch a batter can't hit, that batter can count on a steady diet of that pitch.  That's is exactly what she's doing, for the same reason Bubba Clinton diddled an intern, and a dog will lick his testicles:  Because they can.
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