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Muslims have been caught in the large groups of illegals coming across the border.

And now we have illegals from Africa showing up on the Southern border as well trying to get in.  Certain parts of Africa are hotbeds for Muslim terrorism as well.

And the presidents comments on ISIS being let loose as a result of this operation are troubling.  He is actually very bizarre.  He brought up again in the Minnesota rally about defeating ISIS 100%.  But the other day he said he wasn't concerned if they were let loose because they are going to go home to Europe.  Hello Mr. President.  You either are concerned about ISIS or your not.  It is a global world and there are ways to get into the US.  The border is a huge one.
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I've heard that President Trump is abandoning the Kurds, and that he knew of and approved the Turkish invasion that targeted the Kurds.
Later, I've heard that he is not abandoning the Kurds and is sending them more arms.
I am not sure what the truth is anymore.

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I have lost someone to Iraq but I am not going to give details.  You are the last person I would confide in.  I don't use those who served this country for political forum conversation.  Shame on you.   

Yes, you do use those who served this country for political forum conversation.  You just did  pointing-up
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I've heard that President Trump is abandoning the Kurds, and that he knew of and approved the Turkish invasion that targeted the Kurds.
Later, I've heard that he is not abandoning the Kurds and is sending them more arms.
I am not sure what the truth is anymore.

I think the truth is he has sustained very harsh criticism and the story is ever changing.  I think he did approve of the invasion.
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@Chosen Daughter

If they are...it's all the more reason to make sure your powder is dry and a weapon is close at hand at all times.

OMG … the drama that goes on here is LOL funny.   :silly:
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I think the truth is he has sustained very harsh criticism and the story is ever changing.  I think he did approve of the invasion.

This is what happens when you elect a man without a core......   **nononono*
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Yes, you do use those who served this country for political forum conversation.  You just did  pointing-up

No, I didn't and that was the point.  You have to go back and see what this was in response too.  If I did I would be like the President at his Minnesota Rally trying to mimic the reactions of family members to loss and injury.  It was disgusting.  And all to rubber stamp his approval of the invasion into Syria.
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This is what happens when you elect a man without a core......   **nononono*

I agree.
PRESS RELEASEJeff Van Drew Consistently Voted Against Trump on Immigration While in Congress

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OMG … the drama that goes on here is LOL funny.   :silly:

You like heavy drama what are you talking about.  Trumps speech in Minnesota was dripping with it.
PRESS RELEASEJeff Van Drew Consistently Voted Against Trump on Immigration While in Congress

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Good grief, look what you posted first:

In response to this post:
@Chosen Daughter

You aren't willing to fight for them yourself,or have your family fight for them,so your opinion has all the value of a fart in a hurricane.

You responded:

No, it's much worse.  She's willing to send other people's loved ones to do what she won't.



First of all I would like to say sorry for your loss.  Perhaps you could appreciate that many of us have lost loved ones in the war on terror.  I didn't realize your loss and can understand your emotions.  But you cannot speak for everyone else.  Nor can you dictate that people do not have a right to an opinion because they do not personally serve in the military.  If that was a fact we wouldn't have this forum.  For that matter we could be severely critical of electing officials who have not serves either.  They shouldn't have an opinion as far as you are concerned.

If there are any fingers to be pointed, they should be directed at Congress. They have given up their responsibilities under the Constitution, allowing Presidents for decades to unilaterally put our service members in harms way.

About 15% of Congress are veterans. Quick searches indicate that less than 2 children of current congressman are serving in the military today. Whether it's zero, one, two, or up to 10, nothing more needs to be said.

As I stated before, it's an all volunteer force, but that doesn't give Congress a pass for its irresponsible governance.
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If there are any fingers to be pointed, they should be directed at Congress. They have given up their responsibilities under the Constitution, allowing Presidents for decades to unilaterally put our service members in harms way.

About 15% of Congress are veterans. Quick searches indicate that less than 2 children of current congressman are serving in the military today. Whether it's zero, one, two, or up to 10, nothing more needs to be said.

As I stated before, it's an all volunteer force, but that doesn't give Congress a pass for its irresponsible governance.


I think that all war powers should have check and balance whether pulling troops out or sending them in.  If corruption can occur with high officials what is to stop it?

Like this for instance.  Withdrawing troops to make way for another foreign government to invade.  It is still an act of war.  US government aiding another government in their act of war.
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PRESS RELEASEJeff Van Drew Consistently Voted Against Trump on Immigration While in Congress

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PRESS RELEASEJeff Van Drew Consistently Voted Against Trump on Immigration While in Congress

Van Drew received an average grade of 35% based on a series of votes and positions. For example, Van Drew co-sponsored and voted for amnesty legislation, voted for increased visas for foreign workers, and opposed President Trump’s border wall.
Van Drew’s grade of D+ follows a long list of other liberal grades and endorsements. For example, Van Drew received a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood and is currently endorsed by the radical anti-jobs lobby, the Sierra Club.
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This is what happens when you elect a man without a core......   **nononono*
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This has been one of the best and most informative  threads I have ever read on this site. I appreciate everyone's insight (@txradioguy and others) and took lots of notes and did lots of research.

But truthfully...as much as I read the harder it gets to make a decision on right or wrong. I don't think the people in the ME think like us. That will never change.

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This has been one of the best and most informative  threads I have ever read on this site. I appreciate everyone's insight (@txradioguy and others) and took lots of notes and did lots of research.

But truthfully...as much as I read the harder it gets to make a decision on right or wrong. I don't think the people in the ME think like us. That will never change.

The only solution to the problems in the ME is the next Extinction Event. According to AOC, it's coming in less than 12 years.
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This has been one of the best and most informative  threads I have ever read on this site. I appreciate everyone's insight (@txradioguy and others) and took lots of notes and did lots of research.

But truthfully...as much as I read the harder it gets to make a decision on right or wrong. I don't think the people in the ME think like us. That will never change.
Well, as I see it, without making moral judgements of either group we have treaty obligations (NATO) with the Turks.

We have shed blood alongside the Kurds, fighting ISIS. They have been a major factor in the defeat and capture of most of ISIS.
Some 10K ISIS prisoners are in custody, in prison, in Syria.
The Turks and Kurds have been in conflict since the partition of the region post WWI, when the Kurds were left without their own country when the lines were drawn.
The Turks want a "buffer zone" some 35 miles into Syria, but that same zone includes the prison the ISIS captives are in, and most of the Kurd area in Northern Syria.
If the Turks invade, there will be a fight between them and the Kurds, who will defend any land they see as theirs.
During that fight, there is a good chance that the ISIS fighters in custody will be released or escape.
There is always to likelihood of civilian casualties in the Kurdish areas.

Removing the Special Forces Troops from the area may keep us from being in direct conflict with Turkish forces, with whom we have a treaty (NATO Obligations), but it abandons the guys we've fought alongside to beat back ISIS.

There is no good answer which allows us to both maintain our obligation to the people we have shed blood with and keep us out of conflict with an ally we have treaty obligations with.

The only solution which would do both is to convince the Turks to back off and not invade and kill the Kurds (and risk releasing the ISIS prisoners).

In the midst of a no-win situation, as policy goes, Trump has chosen to pull our people out of the combat zone.
Some folks here are good with that, some don't like it, but frankly, I don't see what alternative he has.
He is painted into a corner on this, by treaty obligations, and by unwritten obligations to comrades in arms, with no good alternative. 
YMMV. Soldiers follow orders, whether those orders are considered "good" or not, with few exceptions.

While there are few good guys in the Middle East, the Kurds got the shaft during the post Ottoman partition of the region, and have been handed the sh*tty end of the stick since, with great regularity. I sympathize with their desire for a homeland, and they are religiously diverse as a people, despite being majority Muslim, and tolerant of the other religions among them. 
It was the actions of the Turkish Brigade in Korea which bailed out my Dad's unit under an ongoing wave attack by Chinese troops, a situation the US Army had apparently written off. I wouldn't be here if not for that relief action. Still, I recognize that Turkey has a record of genocidal actions, including that taken against the Armenians, and that they are Muslim.




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Removing the Special Forces Troops from the area may keep us from being in direct conflict with Turkish forces, with whom we have a treaty (NATO Obligations), but it abandons the guys we've fought alongside to beat back ISIS.

There is no good answer which allows us to both maintain our obligation to the people we have shed blood with and keep us out of conflict with an ally we have treaty obligations with.

The only solution which would do both is to convince the Turks to back off and not invade and kill the Kurds (and risk releasing the ISIS prisoners).






Thank you for your reply.  It is more or less what I believe....there is no good answer.

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Thank you for your reply.  It is more or less what I believe....there is no good answer.

It was a damned site better before the previous occupant of the WH decided to fix things in that region.

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Muslims have been caught in the large groups of illegals coming across the border.

And now we have illegals from Africa showing up on the Southern border as well trying to get in.  Certain parts of Africa are hotbeds for Muslim terrorism as well.

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You like heavy drama what are you talking about.  Trumps speech in Minnesota was dripping with it.

My dear, sweet innocent ... last night's speech wasn't drama; it was truth.
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But truthfully...as much as I read the harder it gets to make a decision on right or wrong. I don't think the people in the ME think like us. That will never change.

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"The greatest mistake our country has made is going into the quicksand of the Middle East."  -- DJT, Oct 10, 2019
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The only good answer is bigheadfred with the nuclear football going up the middle (east).

Erdogan is trying to go full muzzie jihad. Trump is pulling back to let him. THEN see how much of a use Turkey is to NATO.

INTERNECINE. Look it up.

Understand it.

WE don't have a dog in this fight.

Put your money on Assad or Erdogan?

FFS


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The only good answer is bigheadfred with the nuclear football going up the middle (east).

Erdogan is trying to go full muzzie jihad. Trump is pulling back to let him. THEN see how much of a use Turkey is to NATO.

INTERNECINE. Look it up.

Understand it.

WE don't have a dog in this fight.

Put your money on Assad or Erdogan?

FFS


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My dear, sweet innocent ... last night's speech wasn't drama; it was truth.

That was Drama alright.  If this isn't acting I don't know what is.  Don't say it isn't.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/strzok-page-trump-mock-rally
PRESS RELEASEJeff Van Drew Consistently Voted Against Trump on Immigration While in Congress

Van Drew received an average grade of 35% based on a series of votes and positions. For example, Van Drew co-sponsored and voted for amnesty legislation, voted for increased visas for foreign workers, and opposed President Trump’s border wall.
Van Drew’s grade of D+ follows a long list of other liberal grades and endorsements. For example, Van Drew received a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood and is currently endorsed by the radical anti-jobs lobby, the Sierra Club.
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That was Drama alright.  If this isn't acting I don't know what is.  Don't say it isn't.

The President really gets deep under your skin -- and then does a tap dance. 

This pleases me.   88devil

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