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Turkey's Syria incursion may allow ISIS to attempt mass prison break amid US withdrawal, Kurdish fighters warn

https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-syria-isis-mass-prison-break-us-withdrawal

So.... another one step forward, two steps back and ISIS wins?   Then where is the rest of the world, and Europe, re: stopping that from happening?  Surely they have concern.  [crickets]
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I think it has been done before (HWBush).   They're probably getting used to it.

No that was some anti Saddam folks in the southern part of the country that HW called upon to rise up agaisnt Saddam after we stopped 100 miles south of Baghdad.  The Kurds largely stayed out of the 1991 war.

We made the mistake of allowing Saddams military to fly helicopters after the cease fire and that's what stopped the uprising.  That southern tribe mainle lived in some swamp areas along the Euphrates river and Saddam punished them by draining the marshes and robbing them of their way of life...then we used the helicopeters to attack them.

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But logistically, how much good can a mere 1,000 soldiers do in an ongoing conflict like this?   And...if they're not doing that much good anyway, why are they even there?  It's an age-old can of worms that, if we really want to help, could be assisted the old fashioned way.  With US $$$ & arms.

They are mainly Special Forces soldiers with some regular Army artillery and logistical support.  I'll take that force agaisnt any of the terrorist cells or state sponsored groups any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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So.... another one step forward, two steps back and ISIS wins?

Yup. 

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Then where is the rest of the world, and Europe, re: stopping that from happening?  Surely they have concern.  [crickets]

The rest of Europe...with a couple exceptions has its hands full with the flood of "refugees" from Syria and other terrorist spnsoring nations that has been inading the Euopean Continent since around 2015.

With the exception of a handful of EU nations that are former Russian satellite states...Europe had been de-nutted thanks to political correctness to the point they can't do anything except standby helplessly and watch what is happening.

They only do something if we're standing behidn them booting them in the ass to engage.
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You think this is a bad move.  I could respect this @jpsb  if you tell me why this is worth losing one man or one woman wearing the American military uniform.  What do we gain?

I don't think giving Turkey a green light to invade Syria so the Turks can wipe out our ally the Kurds is a good idea. In fact I think it is a
terrible idea. I want the troops home too, at the very least Trump should have told Turkey to stay out of Syria. The Turks are as bad
as the NAZIs were.



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Our deal under Obama was to ally with the PKK, who basically are the nemesis of Turkey.

Anyway, if Chosen Daughter's way had happened, ISIS never would have been dethroned in the first place. So first things first.

I don't like this at all. Chosen Daughter and Catfish1957 just peddle hate around here though. That's disgusting too.

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A smart man defers to a smarter man. How would you do it?

Permanently base a division size force (15-20K) in the country.  Reactivate a division that was inactivated under Clinton and station it in Kandahar. Get the authorization for the new division and the subsequent increase in spending and troop strength numbers to fully man it so we're not rotating brigades from the states for 9 months at a time.

That gives us the flexibility to not only handle any issues in Afgnaistan...but the entire region as well...and acts as a blunting force to agression from Iran in the region as well as the passive support Pakistan gives to the Taliban.

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The Pentagon may have better answers than you or I, though.

The Pentagon's answer is the one Trump just gave a middle finger to.
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Our deal under Obama was to ally with the PKK, who basically are the nemesis of Turkey.

Anyway, if Chosen Daughter's way had happened, ISIS never would have been dethroned in the first place. So first things first.

I don't like this at all. Chosen Daughter and Catfish1957 just peddle hate around here though. That's disgusting too.

Says the guy who in 2016 who posted on this forum that people who don't support don't support Donald Trump are the same as ISIS and alQaeda?  That's pretty rich.
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Our deal under Obama was to ally with the PKK, who basically are the nemesis of Turkey.

Anyway, if Chosen Daughter's way had happened, ISIS never would have been dethroned in the first place. So first things first.

I don't like this at all. Chosen Daughter and Catfish1957 just peddle hate around here though. That's disgusting too.

WTF are you talking about.  Obama abandoned the Kurds.  IF anything he was more friendly with Erdogan.

Hey guess what Tom...ISIS isn't "dethroned" now.  And if your hero gets his way...there's gonna be 10K pissed off ISIS fighters back on the battlefield ready to pick up where they left off with the whole Caliphate thing.
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Don't you hate it when Romney's right?

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I don't think giving Turkey a green light to invade Syria so the Turks can wipe out our ally the Kurds is a good idea. In fact I think it is a
terrible idea. I want the troops home too, at the very least Trump should have told Turkey to stay out of Syria. The Turks are as bad
as the NAZIs were.



April 24th, 1915. This is the day in which the Armenian Genocide was started by the Ottoman Empire. 1.5 million people would lose their lives in the following years, intellectuals would be arrested, children given away to families they did not belong to, and many were deported, starved to death or sent to concentration camps.

But what you are not stating and this is old history now; but the Kurds helped the Turks in that genocide. The Kurds even back then, wanted their own homeland and so, helped out.

Don't ever forget that as well.

https://www.pri.org/stories/kurds-turkey-atone-their-role-armenian-genocide
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Many Armenians were killed at the hands of Kurds, but unlike the rest of Turkey, the Kurds — who have since faced severe repression themselves — are beginning to atone.

Every source will tell one this, though, I think it was mainly one tribe or a small percent of them.

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But what you are not stating and this is old history now; but the Kurds helped the Turks in that genocide. The Kurds even back then, wanted their own homeland and so, helped out.

Don't ever forget that as well.

https://www.pri.org/stories/kurds-turkey-atone-their-role-armenian-genocide
Every source will tell one this, though, I think it was mainly one tribe or a small percent of them.


Gotta love the constant whataboutism in defense of anything Trump does...even if it means screwing over an ally and allowing an brutal dictator who in addition to supporting ISIS/Taliban factions aims to commit genocide.
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It's a bit disconcerting.   Maybe the Kurds are the bait to draw them out in the open?

Maybe Rush can sort it out.   He's on in 30 min.   
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Okay, if the USA had never gone over there in the first place, one can argue that ISIS never would have risen up, it's been a comedy of errors though, I think Obama deserves most of the blame.

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Turkey's Syria incursion may allow ISIS to attempt mass prison break amid US withdrawal, Kurdish fighters warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-syria-isis-mass-prison-break-us-withdrawal
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...and with 99.8% accuracy, too!      :pop41:
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...and with 99.8% accuracy, too!      :pop41:

Good one!!
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Foolish beyond belief: In Syria Trump just betrayed our allies and helped our enemies
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/foolish-beyond-belief-in-syria-trump-just-betrayed-our-allies-and-helped-our-enemies


'A big win for Iran and Assad': Lindsey Graham rips Trump decision to pull troops out of northern Syria
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/a-big-win-for-iran-and-assad-lindsey-graham-rips-trump-decision-to-pull-troops-out-of-northern-syria


Trump's Syria decision will be responsible for ISIS 2.0
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trumps-syria-decision-will-be-responsible-for-isis-2-0



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Okay, if the USA had never gone over there in the first place, one can argue that ISIS never would have risen up, it's been a comedy of errors though, I think Obama deserves most of the blame.

ISIS was conceived and born on Barack Obama's watch.

Seeing Egypt 'fall' to the Muslim Brotherhood... seeing Libya's Gadaffi slaughtered by a mob in the street ("We Came, He Saw, He Died, ROFL!!"...Hillary Clinton), seeing Iraq's advances evaporate by pulling out all military...

Obama was right.  Elections suck!   If GWB didn't have to deal with presidential elections, Iraqis could still have their 'Republic' today.
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I recall the prevailing attitude towards the Mujahideen in the 80s. They were our 'allies' whom we couldn't betray. That sure worked out well.

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The Kurds spilled their blood for us, they have also been allied with the Christians (Assyrians) though, 100 years ago, 1915 and maybe 1918 too, they persecuted them.
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We aligned under Obama not with “the Kurds,” but with the PKK, the sworn enemy of the Turkish Republic, our ally.  We were sowing the seeds of a Turkish-PKK war with that policy. We were also driving Turkey toward Russia.

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1181125761203408897

So, I think in part, this is what this is about... but that doesn't change things to me.

Also, as of 2 days ago, there were mumurings that the Turks themselves could have fired on our troops. There's a whole lot of bogus info out there. A lot of people very upset, me too... like last December, all we do is go back to the same square one and why Mattis left.

Graham is already announcing a bill that would sanction Turkey if they invade, about the most we could do, it doesn't sound like much.
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Hope and expect sanctions against Turkey – if necessary – would be veto-proof.

This decision to abandon our Kurdish allies and turn Syria over to Russia, Iran, & Turkey will put every radical Islamist on steroids.  Shot in the arm to the bad guys.  Devastating for the good guys.

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1181219809427623936

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We must always have the backs of our allies, if we expect them to have our back.  The Kurds were instrumental in our successful fight against ISIS in Syria.  Leaving them to die is a big mistake.  #TurkeyIsNotOurFriend
https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1181191973367160834

Graham has been on top of this all the way, I note that anti-Graham thread yesterday but I think he's doing well.

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It's a bit disconcerting.   Maybe the Kurds are the bait to draw them out in the open?

Maybe Rush can sort it out.   He's on in 30 min.

Oh crap.   Thanks for the reminder.  It's now 3-4 min. away and I was too absorbed in this convo to tune in...lol. 
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The Kurds spilled their blood for us, they have also been allied with the Christians (Assyrians) though, 100 years ago, 1915 and maybe 1918 too, they persecuted them.
So, I think in part, this is what this is about... but that doesn't change things to me.

Also, as of 2 days ago, there were mumurings that the Turks themselves could have fired on our troops. There's a whole lot of bogus info out there. A lot of people very upset, me too... like last December, all we do is go back to the same square one and why Mattis left.

Graham is already announcing a bill that would sanction Turkey if they invade, about the most we could do, it doesn't sound like much.
Graham has been on top of this all the way, I note that anti-Graham thread yesterday but I think he's doing well.

Ahem.....

'A stain on America's honor': Lindsey Graham says Trump's Syria pullout abandons Kurds, helps ISIS

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/10/07/trump-defends-syria-withdrawal/3896039002/
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