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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #250 on: October 11, 2019, 05:41:21 pm »
Fighting terrorism and the terrorists as far away from our shores as we can.

We've been doing that since the Barbary Pirates...in pretty much the same area we're in now.


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Exaclty. Since the Isolationist like to lie about our past they somehow forget about this little tidbit.
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« Reply #251 on: October 11, 2019, 05:45:35 pm »
By the way there are two things I just on Twitter:


1. ISIS prisoners are escaping
2. We are sending more troops to Saudi Arabia.
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« Reply #252 on: October 11, 2019, 05:49:11 pm »

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Exaclty. Since the Isolationist like to lie about our past they somehow forget about this little tidbit.

They have very selective memories.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #253 on: October 11, 2019, 05:53:20 pm »
The problem is the EU won’t do anything.

Mnuchin just announced proposed economic sanctions against Turkey.  No link yet, just saw it on the TeeVee.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #254 on: October 11, 2019, 06:00:04 pm »
By the way there are two things I just on Twitter:


1. ISIS prisoners are escaping
2. We are sending more troops to Saudi Arabia.

ISIS prisoners are escaping??? Not to worry, Trump said they'd be escaping to Europe!   :whistle:
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #255 on: October 11, 2019, 06:03:36 pm »
They have very selective memories.


I think the last time we listened to them was in the 1930's and look what happened.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #256 on: October 11, 2019, 06:04:21 pm »
ISIS prisoners are escaping??? Not to worry, Trump said they'd be escaping to Europe!   :whistle:


I'm sure our allies in Europe are going to like it. So we might be fighitng another war in Europe.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #257 on: October 11, 2019, 06:11:03 pm »
 When "BAD" is mass killing over there, commited by whomever, the Kurds and maybe even Turkey are way down the hierarchy of evil.

Aina.org even has a recent story on a Christian Syrian refugee in Turkey who is doing fairly well as a baker in Turkey, will post later.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #258 on: October 11, 2019, 08:50:38 pm »
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister

Charles Lister is a good reporter... so to be speak, I lost the tweet but it said ANF and not the SDF, forces we back, ran the prison where allegedly, ISIS prisoners escaped....

Also, I think I saw a story, US jets fired on Iranian fighters..... I want to at least, be able to post a source for this. I think this was with Charles as well.

Oh and PS per above, let's say both Obama and Trump armed the PKK or YPG, let's just say.

I think I will put all the helpful twitter accounts in post #1 later on.

https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam

https://twitter.com/janetcalif    <--- This last one is very biased for the Kurds but might still be helpful...

https://twitter.com/RJBrodsky

When we went into the first Gulf War, '90, '91, Syria was a member of that 72, 49 country coalition FWIW, Syria was a designated state-sponsor of terrorism even then.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #259 on: October 11, 2019, 08:56:00 pm »
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister

Charles Lister is a good reporter... so to be speak, I lost the tweet but it said ANF and not the SDF, forces we back, ran the prison where allegedly, ISIS prisoners escaped....

Also, I think I saw a story, US jets fired on Iranian fighters..... I want to at least, be able to post a source for this. I think this was with Charles as well.

Oh and PS per above, let's say both Obama and Trump armed the PKK or YPG, let's just say.

When we went into the first Gulf War, '90, '91, Syria was a member of that 72, 49 country coalition FWIW, Syria was a designated state-sponsor of terrorism even then.

IIRC, the only two countries not involved with Desert Storm were Jordan and Israel.  If Israel had gotten in, almost all the Arab League countries would have bolted.  Jordan stayed out because both countries were Baath, I think.  Something like that.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #260 on: October 11, 2019, 09:22:19 pm »
Charles Lister:

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#pt: Local reports now say U.S. jets are bombing #Iran-backed militias positioned cross the #Euphrates, further south near the village of al-Abbas.


https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1182748841206059008

Could this be because Iranian forces were said to be shooting at the SDF???

This all sounds like "HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS" time...l and some of these stories don't pan out, so just saying....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphrates

I know the Euphrates from the Bible not per Iraq but you hear it mentioned over and over again in the news. So, that link, kind of tells us something if one is curious.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #261 on: October 12, 2019, 12:21:48 am »

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Hard truth: Erdogan knows that Trump wants U.S. forces to leave Syria. Putin knows that Trump wants U.S. forces to leave Syria. Khamenei and Assad know the same thing. Trump himself yesterday (incredibly) said we no longer have forces in Syria. We do, and today they were shot at.


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It is dangerous to keep Americans in harm’s way with no support or backing from their commander-in-chief. Marie Yovanovoch spoke to this principle for diplomats confronting the Russians in Ukraine. The same goes for our brave soldiers and diplomats on the ground tonight in Syria.



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It is equally wrong and immoral to make any false promises to the SDF and suggest that Trump is committed to staying in Syria when everyone knows that he is not. These false promises delayed, and may now have foreclosed, what was an alternative arrangement for them with others.



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And with each day this Turkish attack continues, the risks increase for American personnel and our ability to get out safely at all becomes gravely jeopardized. Either Trump changes course rapidly and clearly (ASAP) or else it is necessary to plan a safe exit.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #262 on: October 12, 2019, 12:54:32 am »
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #263 on: October 12, 2019, 01:48:54 am »
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #264 on: October 12, 2019, 03:20:49 am »
The 3 or 4 stories below are from AINA, Assyrian International News Agency.... the Assyrians, so Christians. This website basically conglomerates news articles from the rest of the web.

http://aina.org

First off, I think we should be helpiing the SDF as much as possible, you will find negative stories on them, I figure, they're probably pretty rare or false. Anyway, we are not doing the best thing and I'll leave it up to the likes of people like Haley, Rubio and so on... though, the President may know some things we don't.

From June, 2019:
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15 Assyrian Children Kidnapped By Kurdish Affiliated Militia in Syria
Posted 2019-06-20 04:29 GMT

Qamishli, Syria (AINA) -- According to a report on Assyria TV, an internet Assyrian channel based in Stockholm, 15 Assyrian girls and boys have been abduction by members of the Syriac Military Council (MFS). MFS is a militia tied to the Syriac Union Party, which in turn is part of a secretive Assyrian political group known as the Dawronoye, (ܕܲܘܪܵܢܵܝܹܐ), who emerged with the help of the Kurdish PKK party in the late 1980s in south east Turkey. The Dawronoye are close allies of the PYD, the Kurdish party in control of large parts of north eastern Syria.

http://aina.org/news/20190620002945.htm

So, it's tricky but to today's news:

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Christian Communities in Northeast Syria Are the Target of a Turkish Attack
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Posted 2019-10-11 23:22 GMT

Assyrian fighters of Sutoro (The Syriac Security Office) carry their weapons as they man a checkpoint in the town of Tel Tamr, Syria, Feb. 25, 2015.
Church bells rang out across th
e plains of northeast Syria, warning villagers to seek shelter from incoming air raids. It was the first time in a century that the Christian communities in the region were forced to take shelter from a Turkish attack.

The Syriac-Assyrians and Armenians of northeast Syria have been divided on their feelings towards the Kurdish-led, U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Council (SDC) that took control of the area after the defeat of ISIS. But they remain united against the prospect of a war between Turkey and the Kurds, which is now beginning to wreak havoc on their homeland.

Read more at: http://aina.org/news/20191011192208.htm

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The wife of Fadi Sabri Hasbouno, injured in Qameshli in a Turkish bombing that burned the couple's shop and destroyed half their home.
Turkish forces launched a bombing campaign across northeastern Syria on Wednesday, targeting civilian areas and killing Syriac Christians.

The bombing campaign, launched less than 48 hours after a phone call between President Donald Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, appeared to target Christian and Kurdish enclaves in the cities of Qameshli, Kobani, and others. Shelling also hit the border town of Nusaybin, in Turkey, where the oldest church in a region once dominated by the earliest Christians is located.

As the Turkish air assault began, Assyrian leader Gabriel Moshe of Qameshli told me, "There are many rockets in Qameshli and at least one girl of our people is dead."

Read more at: http://aina.org/news/20191011171952.htm

This last article, they took from "The Daily Sabah", that's Turkish news.

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The PKK Syrian affiliate, the People's Protection Units (YPG) reportedly forced a local Christian community to fight Turkey in northern Syria, said the Iraqi Christian Foundation.

After the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) and the Syrian National Army (SNA) launched Operation Peace Spring, the YPG and PKK supporters began spreading propaganda, claiming that Turkish forces were targeting the region's Christian community.

However, reports from the region paint a completely different picture. Local and international Assyrian Christians' foundations released statements rejecting these claims. They said the YPG was forcing them to fight against Turkey.

Read more at: http://aina.org/news/20191011184503.htm
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« Reply #265 on: October 12, 2019, 03:30:00 am »
BTW, Trump has admitted arming PKK, terrorist-designated group... so besides all the other points, might that not be a serious matter? ?   

Great point @TomSea   I'm with you on this ... we should stop arming PKK immediately!!   :beer:

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« Reply #266 on: October 12, 2019, 03:31:53 am »

First off, I think we should be helping the SDF as much as possible,

Helping them accomplish what, exactly?  @TomSea

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« Reply #267 on: October 12, 2019, 04:10:55 am »
Great point @TomSea   I'm with you on this ... we should stop arming PKK immediately!!   :beer:

So, we are admitting Trump and indeed, Obama may have done wrong in arming the PKK.  Okay.

No, I'm certainly not for disarming the SDF, they defeated ISIS (to an extent) with coalition forces air support.

Helping them accomplish what, exactly?  @TomSea

Ask the State Department, I thought you were the big Trump defender,  they are saying they haven't abandoned the SDF/Kurds.

https://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/us-military-says-its-not-abandoning-kurds/news-story/ecb095fe5c14be31bc84bfd8bf852298

https://www.news18.com/news/india/we-have-not-abandoned-the-kurds-says-us-as-turkey-intensifies-offensive-in-northeast-syria-2342585.html

Oh, and help them per the ISIS prisoners, 5,000 that they have imprisoned. I even heard it may be up to 10,000. Maybe that includes family members.

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Trump is actually right about Syria. Now let’s follow up
« Reply #268 on: October 12, 2019, 04:14:35 am »
Trump is actually right about Syria. Now let’s follow up
Conservative Review, Oct 10, 2019, Daniel Horowitz

A simple analogy vividly depicts the lesson lost on most in the Republican foreign policy establishment who believe we need American soldiers left precariously and indefinitely on the ground in tribal civil wars in order to keep us safe. When there are killer whales, sharks, snakes, and scorpions in a cesspool fighting each other, you don’t dive head-first into the tank to try to fight one of those dangers without understanding how you will survive the others or avoid tipping the balance of power to the other beasts. You stand outside from a position of strength, define your interests, and zap any one of the adversaries that comes out of the tank and inside your zone of interest.

President Trump is well on his way to learning the lesson of not diving head-first into the cesspool. He should follow up with strong action to protect our interests, using the right soft power tools to deter our enemies. That will go a long way toward framing his move out of Syria as a more effective means of deterring a complex web of multiple enemies – often at war with each other – and putting our interests first.

As I’ve noted many times, there is simply no reason for us to have a ground presence in Syria at this point. That is a position I’ve maintained since the beginning of the civil war, regardless of who was president.   The tangled web of alliances and enemies is dizzying just to articulate.  [...]

Thus, in order to effectively advocate for intervention there, one needs to craft an ever-elusive solution to deal with all of the differently interested powers in the region. But people like Lindsey Graham who want our soldiers engaged in Syria don’t have a plan. The same people who demanded we be the ones to fight ISIS (the Sunni insurgency in its most recent, but certainly not final, iteration) are the ones who also complain about Iran and Assad. But nobody has explained how, since we fought the Sunni insurgency, we were not the ones who empowered Iranian hegemony in the region for free. With our troops out of the region, Russia and Iran would have to face the Sunni backlash without us keeping it in check for them.


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« Reply #269 on: October 12, 2019, 04:19:07 am »
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...you don’t dive head-first into the tank to try to fight one of those dangers without understanding how you will survive the others or avoid tipping the balance of power to the other beasts. You stand outside from a position of strength, define your interests, and zap any one of the adversaries that comes out of the tank and inside your zone of interest.

Worth repeating AND remembering.

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« Reply #270 on: October 12, 2019, 04:22:13 am »
Also FTA

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Let Turkey, Russia, and Iran fight with each other over the tribal lands and then have the Sunni insurgency constantly attacking their forces. Now, Turkey’s and Russia’s interests will directly clash over the Sunnis and support for Assad. Meanwhile, let’s focus on our own immigration, the border, visas, and terror finance.
It’s time to make our homeland the cornerstone of national security, while using foreign assets as a support role, not focus solely on the borders of other nations while inviting the mess from all sides of the cesspool into our own country.

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« Reply #271 on: October 12, 2019, 05:18:51 am »
I posted this on another thread ... it is a video on what "they" are saying (from Turkey)


https://www.facebook.com/insah.akrin/videos/2497646223846276/

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« Reply #272 on: October 12, 2019, 05:19:51 am »
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US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper at a Pentagon briefing, Aug. 28, 2019. (Photo: AFP/Alex Wong)

WASHINGTON DC (Kurdistan 24) – Amid mounting bipartisan criticism of the limited US response to Turkey’s cross-border attack into northeast Syria, the US signaled a major shift in policy on Friday.

Read More: Trump defends Syria decision, backs refugees’ move to 'safe zone,' as Congressional criticism grows 

The shift was signaled in briefings given by senior officials, first by the Pentagon and then by the Treasury Department.

At the Pentagon, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark Milley, strongly and publicly expressed their opposition to the assault, while affirming that the US would not abandon its Kurdish allies.

Read more at: https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/746b11d9-ad16-41c4-ad7d-e20616ad13a7

Policeman isn't even the exact right word, what we are doing somewhat, and I fully respect those who are caught in this war, is babysitting the whole situation and I don't mean that in a way to besmirch anyone.  They gave us their all. We need to help out, BE LOYAL, on the other hand, reading an article, I noted another softspot with the Turks, how we keep this Gulen fellow who seems to be wanted over there. I certainly can't make sense of that.

This is from August but very timely.

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August 27-2019     07:22 PM
The Turkish threat to the NATO alliance
Halmat Palani

Following the territorial defeat of the so-called Islamic State in Syria in March 2019, President Donald Trump announced, “Mission accomplished,” and declared that the United States would be pulling out of Syria as part of his foreign policy goal of untangling America from involvement in wars overseas. While Turkey, Russia, and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad welcomed Trump’s announcement, the Syrian Kurds were left greatly worried because of threats by Turkey to invade Syrian Kurdistan (Rojava), the multi-ethnic administration that is essentially a Kurdish project but is ruled with Arabs and other ethnicities in northeastern Syria.

The withdrawal announcement came amid heightened tension between Washington and Ankara which began with a failed coup that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan claims Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen, who lives in exile in Massachusetts, was behind. The recent purchase of S-400 fighter jets from Russia has, however, taken Turkey’s belligerence and exploitation of its NATO membership to a new level.

While it is quite reasonable to acknowledge Turkey’s security concerns, playing both sides of the fence and buying Russian weapons is tantamount to aiding Russia which has been a clear adversary to the US and the NATO alliance since the Cold War. According to Senior Fellow Fedriga Bindi at the School of Advanced International Studies at John Hopkins University, Erdogan “has essentially been given the all-clear to do what he wants, and this is not only damaging NATO, but also the whole Western community—and its values system.” In other words, while not the only one, Turkey’s actions under Erdogan threatens the strategic interests of NATO in the Middle East as well as the democratic values and principles that underlie it as an institution.

Read more at: https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/opinion/5c55a138-4a6c-44f1-99db-2b0390f02648

It's interesting that the very man who could somewhat defeat ISIS, the only candidate in the election itself, of course, other candidates would have been competent from the GOP in this department, but this president was at least, able to put ISIS on its backheels, that part of the war was good.

I hope Haley, Rubio and others continue to send out there message.

Graham is smart, Rubio is but don't let them fool you that they have complete knowledge on all of this, they are busy people. Tom Cotton was at the Trump rally last night, I haven't heard him comment much on this, he probably has and I've just missed it. No, I don't see Cotton quite commenting on this.

But it is better to get information from all sides. Make up one's mind then.
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4 Turkish soldiers killed since beginning of Turkish incursion into northern Syria
By   TM -   October 12, 2019

Four Turkish soldiers have been killed since Wednesday, when the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) launched a military offensive in northern Syria against the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), which it sees as a terrorist group, according to Turkish media reports.

Turkey launched its long-planned operation on Wednesday aimed at taking out the Kurdish forces it sees as terrorists but which most of the West views as key partners in the fight against Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) militants. The Turkish military operation began days after a surprise and widely criticized White House announcement that US forces would withdraw from the region.

More: https://www.turkishminute.com/2019/10/12/4-turkish-soldiers-killed-since-beginning-of-turkish-incursion-into-northern-syria/

For total transparency, I believe I have heard "Turkish Minute" is backed by that Gulen fellow.

When the coup happened, that Turk basketball player, Ennis Kanter actually said he was with Gulen when that   Coup attempt happened of 2016 and Kanter didn't note anything strange from Gulen.... so, this is all a lot of intrigue.

Trump should talk to Kanter! Invite him to the White House.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #273 on: October 12, 2019, 06:02:38 am »
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Great, thanks so much for that.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #274 on: October 12, 2019, 06:31:06 am »
Rand Paul may think about the way of wanting out of EVERYWHERE... but I have seen no proof he is directly influencing the president.

Likewise, I don't think the president is changing his tune in 'abandoning the Kurds", I think that is how some of the initial story was covered but I don't know if that was ever fact.  It was withdrawing troops from that area.

It's like all of the people who say Turkey helps ISIS, it may be true but until Turkey is designated as a terror sponsor and I'd support that if true, it's all rumor.



The Kurds really, use none of that Muslim talk though, that is the religion most are probably.

It's either the Kurd tribes Peshmerga I believe that have their own religion, Peshmerga or Yazidis.
The Yazidis.
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